--- Log for 26.11.116 Server: karatkievich.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 19 days ago 00.12.38 Quit paulk-collins (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.28.50 Quit Bilgus (Quit: Page closed) 00.36.27 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00.39.14 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-89-176-10-118.net.upcbroadband.cz) 00.55.39 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00.57.54 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 00.58.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.00.42 Quit nlogex (Quit: WeeChat 1.6) 01.08.32 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-73-201-115-99.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 01.18.44 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 01.29.13 Quit ender` (Quit: The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. — Paul Fix) 01.32.55 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-73-201-115-99.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 01.48.30 Join dan- [0] (~d@101.165.168.135) 01.48.30 Quit dan- (Changing host) 01.48.30 Join dan- [0] (~d@freenode/corporate-sponsor/privateinternetaccess.com/doaks) 01.49.29 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.59.24 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 02.07.07 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 02.07.20 # <__builtin> alright, looks like cube works now, under all settings :) 02.08.24 # <__builtin> something's up with sqrt() on target 02.12.20 # <__builtin> thankfully pdbox has replacements that probably actually work 02.13.19 Part robertd1 02.14.02 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 02.15.30 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0/20161104212021]) 02.24.51 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 02.33.09 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 02.36.41 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.116.9.216.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 02.47.44 # <__builtin> twiddle has fixed rotation, too :) 02.58.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.27.15 # <__builtin> hmm actually the icosahedron setting still breaks 03.43.45 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-73-201-115-99.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 03.43.50 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 03.44.52 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@dslb-084-056-039-229.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 03.48.36 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04.13.40 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04.58.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.22.25 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 06.29.08 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.54.44 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 06.55.04 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.55.43 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 06.55.43 Quit JanC (Killed (asimov.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 06.55.43 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 06.58.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.34.52 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-73-201-115-99.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 07.57.22 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 08.39.44 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 08.43.47 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.44.33 Join rela_ [0] (~x@p200300764D28130054D510354579AD5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 08.45.17 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 08.48.23 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.58.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.00.31 Quit rela_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.13.40 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 09.21.50 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 09.22.03 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 09.22.59 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09.24.37 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 09.27.19 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09.30.37 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 09.35.54 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@xd9baf1d6.dyn.telefonica.de) 09.42.43 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 09.53.57 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-89-176-10-118.net.upcbroadband.cz) 09.55.18 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 09.56.49 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09.59.15 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.59.26 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 10.00.43 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 10.05.01 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 10.07.51 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 10.18.43 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 10.24.37 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 10.25.55 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.28.15 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10.35.03 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.47.48 Quit edhelas (Quit: Leaving.) 10.50.38 Join johnb2 [0] (~johnb2@pD957D357.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.51.48 # Bilgus: Bad news. I now tested on my clip+ and Volume can turn on BL. Not a 100% reproducible, but I can trigger it in less then 30s like this: 10.52.55 # Click Vol- for 3-4 times, the Vol+ once or twice and BL turns on. After that sometimes a single Vol+ turns it on. 10.53.14 # s/the/then 10.55.54 # I will go and try this on a different clip+ now. 10.58.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.01.23 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 11.01.53 Quit Bray90820_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 11.03.40 Join Senji_ [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 11.04.49 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.07.40 Quit Bray90820 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 11.08.16 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 11.10.09 Join Bray90820_ [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 11.13.20 Quit Bray90820 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 11.18.47 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:6ce1:74d7:e3e2:698f) 11.28.29 Quit johnb2 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.40.11 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.43.37 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.50.02 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@S0106602ad06acd48.vc.shawcable.net) 11.56.44 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 11.59.04 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 12.05.42 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.06.36 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 12.06.59 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-179-5.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 12.12.38 Join dima_ [0] (47ee5f61@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.95.97) 12.12.55 # hey guys, any hardware people here? cant find any info on charging port conversion 12.13.45 # basically, i'm getting an ipod 5g in the mail tomorrw and i'm going to try and make this thing less trash. i want to replace the 30-pin charging port with something a little more universal (who uses ancient tech like that anyway except for us lol) 12.14.40 # i've got no problem housing a 30-pin to samsung cable inside the enclosure, as i will be modeling it and 3d-printing one soon, depending on the specs of the finished product 12.16.09 # anyone have some more info on this? im basically stuck on 1) where to acquire such tech and 2) if this will even work 12.18.22 # gevaerts: you know a thing or two about ipods, right? 12.41.13 # dima_: I think this might be relevant: https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/30-pin_Connector 12.42.00 # more generally I would google "apple connector pinout" or "30-pin apple connector pinout" 12.49.50 Quit edhelas (Quit: Leaving.) 12.49.53 Quit robertd1 (Quit: Leaving.) 12.50.37 # pamaury: so after studying this (and referencing on my limited circuitry knowledge) ive deduced that i only need 23 of those pins 12.51.21 # perhaps im doing it wrong. like, i could avoid half of those as long as i dont plug it into firewire right? 12.52.01 # then again, i dont think i could get an IC chip manufactured specifically for this, so it'd have to be on a small protoboard, and that would take up WAY too much room 12.53.05 # i suppose i could hook up half a usb cable and plug it in, bend it backwards and under, extend the case down half an inch and make it twice as thick and put the protoboard on the bottom and have the usb sticking out from the top but.... man 12.53.17 # this is way too much effort you'd think this kind of product already exists 12.54.57 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~root@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 12.58.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.02.28 # dima_: what are you trying to achieve exactly? 13.02.39 # most pins are unsused unless you connect an accessary 13.02.43 # something pretty dumb 13.02.53 # basically i'm getting an ipod tomorrow 13.03.02 # so if you just want to charge, my guess is that you need V+/- and a resistor in the accessory ID pin or something 13.03.22 # and i dont want to swap cables between my ipod, android, phone, backup usb battery, etc 13.04.00 # and honestly, i just want to be able to plug something more universal into it 13.04.30 # yeah, its basically going to just be for charging and data transfer 13.04.40 # i'll plug it into my car and my pc 13.04.56 # i figured if my android can do it on a 5-pin so can the ipod 13.10.40 # dima_: I'm sure some people looked into it, here are a few google hits: https://www.adafruit.com/product/14 https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging http://irq5.io/2012/06/25/the-apple-30-pin-dock-connector 13.10.48 # also this page http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml has more information on the pinout 13.11.34 # my guess is that you need to connector V+/-, D+/- and probably a resistor on the accessetory indicator line 13.12.51 Quit Galois (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.12.58 # thanks for that 13.13.03 # reading now 13.14.49 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 13.16.18 # dima_: I have a leaked apple specification for the ipod accessory, it has some information about the cable 13.17.03 # https://www.dropbox.com/s/uayt7pziekntahd/iPod_Accessory_Protocol_Std_Spec_R30.pdf?dl=0 13.27.08 # dima_: try this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2rdhxege84fu77/iPod_Accessory_Protocol_Std_Spec_R30.pdf?dl=0 13.27.10 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 13.27.45 # got it, thanks 13.28.56 # it appears that if you wire the usb lines, and unless you put a very specific resistor on the accessory ID line, it will show up in UMS 13.30.55 # it doesnt distinguish between the 5 and the 5g so im assuming nothing was changed between versions in the usb port 13.31.14 # good news, because i can try it on my broken ipod. 13.31.36 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 13.32.42 # and i can completely remove all the firewire stuff 13.33.39 # yeah you litteraly only have to wire like 5 or 6 pins, of course 13.33.56 # basically exactly what i was looking for 13.34.00 # apple was not crazy enough to require a full chip in every single cable 13.34.40 # but i don't really have the expertise to try and design an IC chip. we're only now covering them in my engineering classes. 13.34.47 # so best i can do is with a protoboard 13.34.59 # but, it'll be tiny, so that should be fine 13.36.21 # you don't need one, that's the point 13.38.12 # so am i going to try and solder those tiny ports with my primitive tools? i'm not sure i can without damaging it... 13.38.34 # i mean, i guess i can borrow something from the lab, but this is expensive stuff. dont want to ruin it 13.38.43 # I think you need to get a 30-pin connector 13.39.21 # and then wire the output from that thing to a board? 13.40.02 # there used to be such boards: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8295 13.40.09 # it might hard to find nowadays 13.40.28 # that's exactly what i was looking for haha 13.40.46 # not sure if it's really a gained compared to having the proper cable 13.40.53 # in my mind, i thought i'd have to re-create one of those on one of them big protoboards 13.41.12 # right, but throwing practicality out the window, this is the best option for me 13.41.16 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 13.43.27 # http://www.makertronic.com/podbreakout-ipod-iphone-ipad-breakout-board 13.43.30 # 20 bucksw 13.43.47 Quit Bray90820_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.45.06 # this is actually pretty interesting and might come in handy for my arduino thing in school 13.47.28 # i suppose i'll need the 3v and the 5v ports 13.49.05 # hey, thanks a ton for your help man. i'm definitely going to check this out. i'll stop by the lab in the morning and see if i can plan this out somehow. 13.49.13 Quit dima_ (Quit: Page closed) 14.22.51 Quit Senji_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14.24.23 Join Senji_ [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 14.26.10 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.29.47 Quit Senji_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14.35.25 Join johnb2 [0] (~johnb2@pD957D357.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.58.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.10.05 # hi there 15.10.51 # what could be causing the Android version to crash immediately after running? 15.11.50 # Moarc: on newer android, there is an incompatiblity between our threading model and the JVM stack checks iirc 15.13.13 # see g#1211 15.13.14 # 3Gerrit review #1211 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1211 : 3Make rockbox for Android work on ART runtime by Marcin Bukat 15.15.47 # Bilgus: Never mind. After not being able to reproduce it on two other clips, resetting the config.cfg, restoring the one where I had seen the problem, I finally figured that last night in the dark I probably have not only hit Vol+, but Vol- together with it. Clicking both of them together seems to turn on the BL. 15.16.38 # oh, so there *is* ongoing activity :> 15.23.00 # not that many people are interested in android though 15.24.37 # isn't it a great way of perpetuating the project as stand-alone players die out over the years? 15.27.23 # you'll find plenty of threads about that on the forums 15.28.03 # personally I think focusing on audiophile players is the best strategy, there are plenty of music players on android already 15.28.53 # android doesn't really need rockbox 15.29.00 # not sure about the other way around 15.29.17 # it would be even more so the other way around 15.48.24 Quit johnb2 (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 15.57.24 Quit puckipedia (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac) 15.58.12 Join puckipedia [0] (puck@puckipedia.com) 16.01.46 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16.25.42 # man rockoxdev.sh is a mess 16.43.11 # <__builtin> w00t!!! 16.43.23 # <__builtin> fixed pretty much every game left in one line of code 16.44.07 # damn, rockboxdev.sh is supposed to be sh-compatible 16.44.18 # as if writing bash wasn't fun enough 16.46.24 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 16.52.58 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:fddf:a36a:66c5:7839) 16.58.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.14.18 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-89-176-10-118.net.upcbroadband.cz) 17.20.04 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 17.31.49 Quit puckipedia (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac) 17.32.05 Join puckipedia [0] (puck@puckipedia.com) 17.33.22 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17.33.37 # gevaerts: any reason why rockboxdev.sh doesn't do parallel builds? Is it too dangerous with old tools? 17.37.08 # <__builtin> pamaury: I think you can set MAKEFLAGS manually 17.38.51 # yeah sure, but you can X=Y pretty much anything, is that a good reason not to do it? 17.39.31 # * gevaerts has no idea! 17.52.12 # gevaerts: would you agree that it is a good idea to have rockboxdev.sh redirect the output of configure and make to a log file instead of printing to the console? 18.08.57 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 18.10.46 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@66-44-112-83.c3-0.grg-ubr1.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com) 18.17.39 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18.18.17 Join nlogex [0] (~filip@dhcp-198-2-91-25.cable.user.start.ca) 18.31.15 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18.32.18 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p20030056C954F6184D7862E851A651AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.37.06 # ah great, gcc up to a few months ago doesn't build with gcc-6.1 18.37.32 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@ipservice-092-217-105-185.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 18.41.55 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 18.44.15 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 18.47.21 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 18.56.35 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.58.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.00.55 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 19.09.04 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p20030056C954F61874823B49B76E9454.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.09.31 # * pamaury hates that gcc makefile does not honor configure flags 19.23.18 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 19.28.47 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p20030056C954F618CC054C8ABF9FE4F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.45.58 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 19.49.22 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p57AD83A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.51.05 # <__builtin> ulmutul (logs): I tried your polygon algorithm and it mostly works 19.51.37 # <__builtin> but there's some weird artifacts with horizontal lines, any idea why? 20.00.39 Quit nlogex (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.10.13 # <__builtin> this minesweeper clone in puzzles is serious overkill 20.11.53 # <__builtin> it ensures a theoretically solvable board through some giant 600-line function 20.13.39 # __builtin: that's impressive, how does it check that? 20.15.22 Join ulmutul [0] (~chatzilla@x4d09a42d.dyn.telefonica.de) 20.16.24 # <__builtin> I don't even want to think about it 20.17.01 # __builtin: remove "draw_filled_line(...)" inside the if (y1==y2) conditional 20.17.32 # <__builtin> ulmutul: alright 20.18.06 # <__builtin> ooh nice, it works :D 20.18.09 # <__builtin> thanks ulmutul 20.18.22 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 20.19.32 # <__builtin> pamaury: just to give you an idea, the rockbox 'minesweeper' plugin is around 1000 or so lines 20.20.00 # I added it some day and it has something to do with polygon parts consisting of a single line. As I wrote earlier, the code is not properly tested ;) 20.20.49 # DAMN IT gcc, it's seriously annoying to try configure options one by one and wait for 20min each time to see if it builds or not 20.20.58 # <__builtin> at least it works a lot better than my previous "algorithm", if you can call it that... 20.22.48 # Expect problems with crossing lines, multiple defined corners, lines that go back on the same path than the previous line, etc. :P 20.25.53 # <__builtin> hmm, I may have run into one of those problems 20.26.09 # <__builtin> trying to draw a concave less than symbol: < 20.30.49 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 20.36.35 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 20.41.04 # can you pastebin the coordinates? 20.41.11 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 20.47.40 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:cd07:1b58:c282:4df) 20.49.53 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 20.51.17 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.52.08 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 20.53.18 Quit edhelas (Client Quit) 20.56.17 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.57.30 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 20.58.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.04.14 Join fujisan [0] (~fujisan@unaffiliated/fujisan) 22.35.39 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 22.37.19 # <[Saint]> ulmutul: 27°22’50.10″N, 33°37’54.62″E 22.41.47 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@dslb-178-001-054-105.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 22.43.03 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.58.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.59.12 # [Saint]: Ah, Desert Breath! Looks nice though! :) 22.59.30 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 23.07.19 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 23.08.09 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 23.35.26 Join dima_ [0] (47ee5f61@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.95.97) 23.35.38 # trying to download an ipsw to restore with itunes at http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ for my ipod 5g, there are two options 23.35.58 # 13/1.3 and 20/1.3 which one do i need? 23.36.24 # i'd do it with itunes normally but for some reason its telling me the server could not be reached 23.36.32 # <[Saint]> if you have both itunes, and an internet connection, why not let iTunes do the downloading for you? 23.36.41 # <[Saint]> Ah. 23.36.45 # <[Saint]> Interesting. 23.36.48 # i can press shift and restore and it asks for an ipsw 23.36.56 # yeah. and it isnt my hosts file either 23.37.17 # <[Saint]> are you using a really ancient iTunes? 23.37.22 # yeah i am 23.37.25 # 9.1 23.37.28 # <[Saint]> there we go. 23.37.52 # it won't let me install an update, always says instillation failed 23.38.39 # but i've done this before, just with my ipod touch and my 2 5gs 23.39.01 # by the way, i don't know if you were there or not but a few days ago when you helped me, i ended up destroying that ipod 23.39.05 # i sent a screenshot 23.39.26 # http://imgur.com/9Voj3B0 23.39.27 # <[Saint]> well, that wasn't very nice. 23.39.31 # and it just wont boot now 23.39.38 # <[Saint]> 20/1.3, btw. 23.39.42 # yeah, im not sure what happened there 23.39.48 # thanks 23.40.46 # could not be restored because the firmware file is not compatable :/ 23.41.07 # it's just one issue after another with me.... 23.41.07 # <[Saint]> are you certain it is a 5G? 23.41.18 # <[Saint]> you may have a 5.5G. 23.41.22 # that's what amazon seller said, and it didnt have a search feature 23.41.50 # <[Saint]> most amazon sellers don't know shit and lump all the 5Gs together in one pile. 23.41.52 # it has my CF card it in, maybe thats doing something 23.42.12 # yeah, afaik you can tell the difference by the search feature 23.42.19 # both my other ipods have it, this one doesnt 23.43.04 # <[Saint]> maybe you do want to 13/1.3 version and I'm misremembering. 23.43.20 # <[Saint]> I wouldn't think so, but stranger things have happened... 23.43.27 # yep, thats it 23.43.34 # <[Saint]> interesting. 23.43.48 # i thought i'd horriby corrupt it if i tried the wrong ones 23.43.53 # a bit of trial and error worked here though 23.44.10 # <[Saint]> Nah. It'll just bounce off. 23.44.32 # <[Saint]> These are indestructible, barring physical manual intervention and a LOT of dedication in software. 23.44.43 # boots like a charm 23.44.53 # i havent seen this in actually years 23.44.54 # <[Saint]> It's possible to break them with software, it just takes a shittonne of dedication. 23.44.57 # brings me back 23.45.39 # just to make sure i dont fuck it all up again, i run ipodpatcher before everything right 23.45.56 # and then the utility 23.48.41 # is rockbox site down for you? 23.49.01 # can't use utility to search themes, and http://themes.rockbox.org/ is down 23.49.53 # hope the cache works 23.52.37 # it worked last time i tried :/ man if it isnt one thing its another 23.52.45 # i feel so technologically challenged 23.53.08 # the forum website seems down, we've had regularly issue with it recently, it is a known problem 23.53.59 # ah. sucks about that, but good to know its not just me 23.54.45 # so my battery is huge, it just won't fit at all. do the fat backs of the bigger ipods fit, or do i need one specially made?