--- Log for 04.12.116 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 12 hours ago 00.08.12 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.211.53.103) 00.12.53 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-243-141.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 00.13.33 Part robertd1 00.16.07 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.18.05 Join pizzaiolo [0] (~pizzaiolo@unaffiliated/pizzaiolo) 00.18.35 # hey anyone knows if raspberry pis/beaglebones/other dev boards are supported? 00.18.50 # arm, basically 00.18.54 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 00.20.53 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0.2/20161129173726]) 00.23.25 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.33.20 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.34.06 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:58d8:9c28:e34c:d0c) 00.45.07 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.03.41 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-187-154.mcn.bellsouth.net) 01.03.48 Nick munch is now known as munch|PSU (pls@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lctjgtzownltygbh) 01.04.46 Quit ender` (Quit: The trouble with quotes found on the Internet is that they often turn out to be unreliable. — William Shakespeare) 01.13.03 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.14.46 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-8.mcn.bellsouth.net) 01.21.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.13.46 # <__builtin> pizzaiolo: not a specific device, but if it runs linux and supports SDL it ought to be able to run the application version 02.14.08 # neat, thanks __builtin 02.14.22 # <__builtin> so "kind of" 02.15.11 # <__builtin> also a side note, at least a plurality of the supported devices are ARM-based 02.24.50 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.37.08 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.117.69.245.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 02.53.40 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 03.06.26 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 03.21.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.48.19 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 03.58.12 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 04.30.41 Quit pizzaiolo (Remote host closed the connection) 05.12.33 Quit naleo (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.14.52 Quit scorche|sh (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 05.21.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.00.19 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 06.27.42 Nick munch|PSU is now known as munch (pls@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lctjgtzownltygbh) 06.38.47 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 06.45.29 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 06.45.44 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.46.11 Quit sbach_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.48.33 Join sbach [0] (~sbach@107.189.42.74) 07.15.03 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-183-88.mcn.bellsouth.net) 07.21.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.04.14 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.04.47 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.05.24 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.05.46 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.06.24 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.07.15 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.07.52 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.08.18 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.21.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.35.58 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.58.12 Quit ender` (Quit: Cigarettes are like squirrels. 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[ej0rge had the same problem on 20160824] 15.03.36 # JensB: which toolchain? 15.05.16 # I am guessing ypr0 15.05.49 # You'll find it almost impossible to build the ypr0 toolchain, I am in the process of recreating it but in the mean time, it's probably best if you ask someone to send you a prebuilt one 15.05.50 # Yes, it seems like it: "target = arm-ypr0-linux-gnueabi" 15.06.14 # lebellium: do you still have the toolchain archive? who else has it? 15.06.32 # I can do without it. :) -I just want to set up a build-client to 'contribute' to the compile-farm. 15.07.14 # In that case you do need it! 15.07.31 # OK. :) 15.07.31 # gevaerts: not necessarily 15.07.34 # We only have a few build clients with that toolchain, and it can be a problem 15.07.39 # although it would be nice 15.07.54 # But yes, you can set things up without 15.08.23 # I'm planning on running the debian-box for at least a few months unattended. 15.08.40 # -so all it'd do is to be a node in the compile-farm 15.11.18 # JensB: I would say start with the arm toolchain, it's most used one 15.11.29 # but wait until my next commit in a few minutes, because it needs a fix 15.11.32 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 15.11.34 # to build on recent gcc 15.11.48 # OK. - I'll be patient. :) 15.12.00 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 906a95c, 255 builds, 12 clients. 15.12.30 # here we go 15.13.17 # pamaury: how is the 'archive'? which format is it, 15.14.10 # lebellium: I don't know, I just remember someone ([Saint] maybe ?) offered once to send me the toolchain archive, I suspect a tar.gz or tar.bz2 15.14.34 # I'll check. But maybe back to the time I really built it on instructions 15.15.08 # it necessarily worked once :) 15.20.34 # pamaury: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/arm-ypr0-linux-gnueabi.zip ? found it here https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/12348 15.21.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.24.22 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 743 seconds. 15.24.23 # Build Server message: 3Revision 906a95c result: All green 15.26.00 # Uhm... I downloaded the .zip file, but the architecture differs from mine. All I can get from uname (-m) is i686. I'll have a look at the diffs/patches. 15.26.19 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.27.53 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 15.38.19 # There are still i686 boxes around? 15.38.52 # I bought this one used. Heh. (Otherwise I have only PPC Macs). 15.39.29 # It appears the debian-box is a 3GHz dual core Intel Pentium 4. 15.40.19 # Oh well, another room heater is always nice :) 15.41.35 # Certainly and this heater only cost $100. In fact, the PowerMac G5 is worse (and even more noisy). ... but the debian-box serves well as both file-sharing and build-test machine. 15.44.05 # Room temperature: 32.2°C - heated only by 1 x MacMini G4, 1 x PowerMac G5 and 1 x IBM ThinkCentre. 8) 15.44.45 # Woops, forgot the two LED-bulbs; they also generate heat. 15.44.47 # * gevaerts always knew that macs were not cool! :) 15.45.03 # the referenced zio is probably quite old, it's kugel's webspace he had back then 15.45.22 # zip too 15.45.26 # the working toolchain is old anyway 15.45.39 # Maybe, but I don't think that toolchain was ever updated after it was introduced 15.46.09 # "If it ain't broke ..." 15.46.22 # Well.... 15.46.30 # As you noticed, building it *is* broken 15.48.13 # I have a prototype new toolchain for ypr0 15.48.26 # That was quick. 15.48.29 # I just need lebellium to show up so I can send him a test uild 15.48.42 # because I don't have the hardware 15.48.43 # how should I show up? 15.48.48 # oh :) 15.48.50 # magic 15.49.45 # I'm browsing my Rockbox IRC logs with grepWIN to find out how I installed the toolchain back to the time 15.49.52 # not sure I'll find out that way though 15.50.42 # I didn't even noticed you were the one to speak earlier ;) 15.51.10 # the only results I have is [Saint] complaining once a month it doesn't build 15.51.12 # :D 15.53.39 # Is the build-problems caused by crosstool ? 15.53.41 # I am actually wondering if it even makes sense to maintain two different toolchains for ypr0 and nwz 15.54.16 # because all we need is a arm-linux-gnueabi toolchain that supports kernels ~2.6.23 with glibc ~2.4 and alsalib 15.55.16 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 15.55.22 # [2013-10-13 20:48:11] It worked fine some time ago [Saint]. I successfully got mine when you forced me to set up my own RB environment in linux :) 15.55.44 # now I have to find out when I set up my RB environment :D 15.57.40 # To me, it looks like that the cause of my error is that "eglibc-2_12" might not be available from the location it's trying to fetch it from. 15.58.25 # -So if the server changed or files were moved or deleted, then it's not because the build-script was broken due to a change in the script. 15.58.48 # JensB: your error is related to the mirror but even if you can download it, the build will fail 15.59.44 # * pamaury goes ahead and merge nwz and ypr0 toolchain 16.01.34 # should I just call it arm-linux-gnueabi or arm-rockbox-linux-gnueabi ? 16.02.41 # I think I have an 'arm-linux-gnueabi' already (for Cortex-M or Cortex-A, I forgot. ;) 16.03.05 # * gevaerts nods 16.03.16 # arm-linux-gnueabi has a reasonable risk of conflicting with something else I think 16.03.21 # yeah 16.03.30 # people might believe arm-linux-gnueabi will do but it won't 16.03.45 # because we are very strict requirements on supporting old kernels and glibc 16.04.18 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:ec7d:e348:4f25:ae1) 16.06.16 # Have anyone added a S912 (Cortex-A53) based node yet ? 16.07.20 # Not that I know of 16.07.27 # JensB: I *think* all our build clients are x86 based but I don't see a reason why an ARM based node wouldn't work, as long as you can build the toolchains 16.07.48 # There's some arm in there 16.08.27 # If I get one of those boxes, I'll try and set it up. Then we might be able to see how well it performs compared to the quick PCs. 16.08.32 # I'm fairly sure that kugel-banpi-kugel is a banana pi 16.08.43 # And bluebrother sonmetimes runs a raspberry pi client 16.09.05 # I once had a build client on my nokia n900 as well, to keep my pocket warm 16.09.10 # Banana-Pi is Cortex-A7 (Allwinner A20) running at uhm ... 1GHz or 1.2GHz I think. 16.09.29 # But yes, the majority is x86 on linux 16.12.09 # Hmm, my build seem to stop; this time at mipsel: 'cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fgnu89-inline"'. 16.12.38 # JensB: ah yeah, the mips toolchains also fail I know 16.13.04 # JensB: I sugggest you temporarily forget about it 16.13.05 # OK, so I should just use "s m a" then ? 16.13.19 # yes 16.13.23 # Alright. :) 16.22.18 Quit PurlingNayuki (Quit: PurlingNayuki) 16.22.52 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:ec7d:e348:4f25:ae1) 16.37.40 # Hmm, it seems I'll have to focus on only 'a', because the "s m a", "m a" and "s a" builds all ends with 'mkdir: cannot create directory ‘build-gcc’: File exists'. 16.38.07 # (it's a good idea to use 'mkdir -p' to create directories that might already exist) 16.38.07 # JensB: rm -rf /tmp/rbdev-build/* 16.38.51 # OK, I've done that and will try again. :) 16.38.58 # I think it's a "feature" of the tool to avoid starting a build in sometimes exists 16.39.10 # rockboxdev.sh has many features :) 16.39.26 # Well to me it makes sense but the error message is not nice 16.39.31 # I'm think about improving it 16.39.51 # :) 16.40.18 # since I've basically changed over 50% of rockboxdev.sh at this point... 16.45.41 # Hmm.. looking at rockboxdev.sh, you might benefit from my short build-system. As an example, this is how I usually build curl: 16.45.42 # dlxb http://curl.haxx.se/download/curl-7.47.1.tar.bz2 --prefix=/usr 16.46.17 # Why would you build a curl *that* old? :) 16.46.31 # dl=download, x=extract, b=build, then the URL (cached) and finally the configure arguments. 16.46.48 # Does that handle dependencies in any way? 16.46.55 # Sorry for the old version; it's from my web-page, which has not been updated for a while. 16.46.59 # Building toolchains can be quite a bit more involved than that! 16.47.26 # The build-system will cache downloads in $archives, then extract to $source and build in $build 16.47.52 # If a file already exist ni $archives, it's not downloaded again. 16.48.38 # I've had 3 years of failure building the ARM toolchain (I *had* to do it myself, because noone cared about Mac PPC). =) 16.48.43 # ni = in 16.49.10 # JensB: rockboxdev.sh already supports all of that, but building toolchain can be more involved, especially when it comes to building linux toolchains 16.49.50 # I'm building OpenOCD and GCC. 16.50.48 # The build-system is about 30 lines. 16.51.07 # All are bash functions calling bash functions. Each function is one line or less. 16.51.36 # JensB: I doubt it will shorten our script, we support more things like patching and then you just need to select the toolchain 16.52.52 # Hmm, I think I have a pastebin account... 17.01.26 # .bash_build: http://pastebin.com/WKrLX2kH .bash_build-cfg: http://pastebin.com/fN9T8K0n -steal whatever you like. 17.02.52 # Hmm. cmsg is old; it should be changed to echo -en instead of printf. 17.03.09 Quit ender` (Quit: Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best, he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear his shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house. — Robert A. Heinlein) 17.04.46 # (cmsg has been fixed) 17.12.46 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 17.19.29 Quit ps-auxw (Disconnected by services) 17.19.40 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@p5B0FB259.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.21.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.28.44 # pamaury: do you want me to test a build on ypr0 or later? 17.29.51 Quit akaWolf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.30.48 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 17.31.41 # lebellium: yes, wait 5/10min 17.41.09 Join fishbulb [0] (~fishbulb@unaffiliated/fishbulb) 17.41.25 # does anyone here use an xduoo x3? 17.43.05 # fishbulb: I have one but don't use it 17.44.20 # why don't you use it? 17.45.05 # I have too many players and xduoo x3 is not a great player 17.47.33 # compared to an h300 is it better or worse? 17.48.01 # I don't have the h300 but the form factor and the lcd are terrible 17.48.11 # on the h300? 17.48.18 # on the x3 17.48.31 # the form factor is terrible? 17.48.38 # good to know the lcd is bad 17.50.06 # the iriver h340 form factor is not great 17.50.11 # Well form factor is always subjective but lcd is really bad 17.50.25 # what about the sound? 17.56.20 Quit JensB (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.58.44 # I don't remember, I suggest http://www.head-fi.org/t/782912/xduoo-x3-dsd-24bit-192khz-cs4398-chip-lossless-music-player 18.03.00 # lebellium: uploading ypr0 test build 18.03.34 # <__builtin> pamaury: can you merge g#1349? 18.03.36 # 3Gerrit review #1349 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1349 : 3Add tentative new element names, IUPAC approval expected around November by Franklin Wei 18.03.55 # <__builtin> no "#error lol" this time 18.05.26 # lebellium: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0feklk1d8t561g0/rockbox-ypr0.zip?dl=0 18.05.43 Join nlogex [0] (~filip@CPEa84e3f5c8563-CMa84e3f5c8560.cpe.net.fido.ca) 18.05.52 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 16e22b5, 255 builds, 13 clients. 18.06.38 # * pamaury expects an #error "Your computer is not IUPAC approve" 18.10.03 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.13.52 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 480 seconds. 18.13.53 # Build Server message: 3Revision 16e22b5 result: All green 18.15.28 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18.15.51 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 18.17.37 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 18.21.10 Join JensB [0] (5cf61933@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.246.25.51) 18.22.10 # I finally succeeded in building and are now running the client ("s m a" so far). Thank you for all the help. :) 18.25.30 # cool :) 18.26.05 # I have not been able to do any checks, though - is rockboxdev.sh doing this automatically ? 18.26.37 # JensB: no, I suggest you try a build with each toolchain 18.27.04 # OK, just a simple "Hello World!" ? 18.27.15 # ideally you want to do a rockbox build to be sure 18.27.28 # just make sure it builds I mean 18.28.02 # I'm following you. ./configure ... 18.28.24 # say you checked out our repo in rockbox/ 18.28.40 # yep 18.28.41 # then mkdir -p rockox/build_fuzepplus; cd rockox/build_fuzeplus; ../tools/configure 18.29.04 # lookup in the table the number for the Fuze+ (just an example target for ARM) 18.29.05 # then 'N' (normal build) 18.29.08 # then enter 18.29.15 # then make 18.48.12 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-196-128.mcn.bellsouth.net) 18.50.10 Join fujisan [0] (~fujisan@unaffiliated/fujisan) 18.52.05 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit.) 18.53.35 # Yay! 64 (ARM),0 (sh),30 (coldfire) ... all built (including make zip) without complaints. 18.55.24 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@119.224.31.174) 18.55.36 Quit [Saint] (Client Quit) 18.55.40 Join rela [0] (~x@p200300764D2ECB0000011FA152495BD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.55.42 Quit rela (Changing host) 18.55.42 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 18.59.00 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 19.01.35 Quit Strife89 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.05.20 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-196-128.mcn.bellsouth.net) 19.05.43 Part JensB 19.14.13 Part scorche 19.16.08 Quit paulk-aldrin (Remote host closed the connection) 19.21.03 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 19.21.18 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.21.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.26.06 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 19.26.27 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.37.55 Quit JanC (Quit: Leaving) 19.38.38 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 19.39.37 Quit JanC (Remote host closed the connection) 19.51.43 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 19.51.57 # pamaury: the build is working on yp-r0 19.52.16 # \o/ 19.55.16 # I've put the A15 on my wishlist for xmas 19.55.19 # will see if I get it :D 19.57.09 # I hope for you you'll get it 19.57.15 # and that I won't brick it :-p 19.58.07 # aha 19.59.28 # first brick the E580 :P 20.00.54 # * [Saint] always makes the mistake of thinking lebellium is a grown-ass man. 20.01.37 # <[Saint]> No idea why really. 20.02.29 # I'm not? 20.02.49 # [Saint]: have your heard the news? I now have a *single* linux toolchain that works on nwz and ypr 20.03.19 # <[Saint]> niiiiice. 20.04.16 # adults don't make wishlists? 20.08.36 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 20.17.02 # * pamaury spots a 140€ Fiio X5 1st on leboncoin 20.17.46 # <[Saint]> lebellium: I guess so - perhaps it is a regional thing. 20.17.56 # <[Saint]> lebellium: very very foreign concept to me. 20.19.28 # I have the money to buy it myself. But I prefer to put it on a wishlist among other things and have the surprise of what I get. Then everybody is happy :) 20.20.28 # <[Saint]> Here Christmas is very child focused. Gift giving and receiving cutoff is around 16yo. 20.31.13 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 20.31.26 Quit TobiX (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.31.53 Quit rela (Quit: Leaving) 20.37.55 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@LFbn-1-8015-136.w90-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.44.11 # haha 20.44.46 # pamaury, is that a good deal? 20.45.08 Quit idonob (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.46.11 Join Harbec [0] (~Harbec@dsl-152-235.b2b2c.ca) 20.46.47 Quit Harbec (Client Quit) 20.47.17 Join Harbec [0] (~Harbec@dsl-152-235.b2b2c.ca) 20.47.22 # fishbulb: well that sounds cheap for a X5 but I don't know if I want to spend money another player I won't use but just attempt to port to 20.47.26 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@199.119.235.235) 20.48.45 Join girafe2 [0] (~girafe@LFbn-1-8015-136.w90-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.48.48 # don't you want to complete the other FiiO ports first? 20.50.30 # lebellium: all Fiio ports are related 20.52.07 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.52.09 Quit girafe (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20.57.15 # I'm still considering that chinese flac thing 20.57.21 # it has rockbox right? 20.58.02 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 20.58.19 # We can't confirm or deny that rockbox runs on "that chinese flac thing" without knowing what it actually is 20.58.28 # duoo x3 20.58.37 # I forgot you can't read minds like me 20.59.27 # xduoo 20.59.36 # I have a boss like that, but I have the week off so I decided to disable that ability for a while 21.00.26 Quit fujisan (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 21.02.36 Quit Harbec (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.07.41 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.08.15 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 21.10.01 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-74-169-198.dynamic.chello.pl) 21.10.44 # pamaury: Do you need some rev eng of e470 key driver or just check on hardware? 21.15.15 # you buy these things just to port rockbox? 21.19.56 # fishbulb: yes 21.20.47 # does it help with an acronym that ends with "d" or something 21.21.22 # ? 21.21.30 # <[Saint]> ...what? 21.21.39 # <[Saint]> Not sure if you had a stroke, of if I did. 21.21.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.21.43 # <[Saint]> *or 21.22.10 # wodz: don't try to RE the driver, it's a waste of time. I'll check if the kernel headers show the same define and then just try to run something 21.22.15 # <[Saint]> Ooooh. I get it. Cute. Very funny. 21.22.26 # <[Saint]> Keep insulting core developers and see how long you last here. 21.22.38 # * pamaury didn't get it 21.22.42 # it wasn't supposed to be an insult 21.23.04 # wodz: if you have some free time, I can explain you how to run things on your device using the gerrit task 21.23.09 # <[Saint]> Implying someone has attention deficit disorder because they have a hoby sure doesn't seem pleasant... 21.23.18 # <[Saint]> *hobby 21.24.04 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.24.12 # I wasn't implying, I was asking 21.25.12 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 21.25.13 # pamaury: Today and tomorrow I am unable to do anything else then reading gerrit task. Maybe Tuesday evening. 21.25.20 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-89-176-10-118.net.upcbroadband.cz) 21.25.26 # <[Saint]> that's way down the list of things I consider appropriate to ask of core contributors, or, anyone really. 21.25.43 # this is IRC 21.25.45 # pamaury: But please explain how to safely run things 21.26.10 # <[Saint]> fishbulb: I'm not sure what you think that means. 21.26.32 # who here doesn't have something that is an acronym 21.26.59 # <[Saint]> even if that were the case it doesn't mean it is the place to ask about it or make it on topic discussion. 21.27.08 # you're the one keeping this going 21.27.48 # wodz: sure. First build the toolchain, using ./rockboxdev.sh, I merge ypr0 and nwz toolchains. In the mean time I'll create a nwz-e470 port. You then can compile the bootloader and rockbox as usual. Side note on toolchain: you'll need to install libmpc-dev, libmpfr-dev and another such package 21.29.54 # Then you need to install the bootloader: in utils/nwztools/scripts, run: 21.29.54 # make install_dualboot NWZ_TARGET=nwz-e470 UPG=install_dualboot_nwze470.upg EXEC=/path/to/bootloader.elf 21.29.54 # make copy_fw_upgrade UPG=install_dualboot_nwze470.upg NWZ_MOUNT=/path/to/dev/mount/ 21.29.54 DBUG Enqueued KICK pamaury 21.29.54 # sudo make do_fw_upgrade /path/to/dev 21.29.54 # If everything goes right, you now have rockbox bootloader running, and a nice menu to choose between OF and RB. 21.31.17 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 21.31.23 # fishbulb: [Saint]: you lost me completely on that 21.31.38 # good 21.31.44 # it wasn't worth going on about 21.32.22 # there are more freezes with this iriver h300 with an msata ssd than I'd like 21.32.54 # is there something I can do to fix it? 21.33.18 # pamaury: Ok. I'll try to find some time in the next days to mess with this. 21.33.47 # wodz: sure, I migt update the instruction if I find time to put together a proper mknwzboot 21.34.17 # if the player and firmware expect a physical drive what can I do to make it freeze up less 21.34.52 # fishbulb: easy, find what makes ssd freeze and fix driver in rb 21.35.16 # the process I'm using is "asking in the irc channel" 21.36.14 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 21.36.19 # I think a lot of people reported problems with msata ssds (more likely on iPods I think). Some have traced it back to peak current usage iirc 21.37.30 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21.38.14 # the modification for that would be near impossible 21.39.14 # pamaury: This is not only this. Entering and leaving power saving mode causes trouble sometimes as well. 21.39.31 # that would make sense 21.39.32 # wodz: ah yeah you're right, there was this too 21.39.43 # the disk spindown or whatever? 21.40.12 # yes 21.40.17 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 21.41.12 # nothing is spinning so how do I change that 21.43.03 # I seem to recall people have patches, but since they hardly ever try to push it to mainline (or maybe we didn't do the effort to include them), I don't know where to find them 21.43.43 # I can't find a thread about ssd conversion that says anything about patches 21.44.30 # <[Saint]> in all fairness the challenges with iPods and MSATAs is usually down to "the Tarkan adapters are poorly engineered pieces of shit". 21.44.36 # getting patches merged is not easy for non-core developpers. It may be frustrating for them at the point they give up working on the project. I can think of a specific example 21.45.11 # <[Saint]> I know of one ssd related patch but that's never going in mainline. 21.45.14 # yeah the problem is that most ATA patches plain break other devices 21.45.22 # <[Saint]> that's an outright hack. 21.45.30 # or do think like use horrible hacks or poor timings 21.45.53 # <[Saint]> it just does "keep trying until we hit or give up", and it's tied to clocks so it'll fail whever we boost. 21.46.07 # <[Saint]> that's the patch I'm thinking of people always thing we should include. 21.46.27 # <[Saint]> boyondwind's. 21.46.28 # <[Saint]> s/thing/think/ 21.47.19 # <[Saint]> I probably get asked about that about three or four times a year because it fixes some edge case conversion with an esoteric SSD with broken firmware. 21.48.40 # if it's a poorly done hatchet job then it's not really a patch 21.48.54 # "a patch that WORKS for solid state drives" 21.49.02 # would probably be what people want 21.49.22 # <[Saint]> the probalem with that is putting the exact hardware in the hands of someone with the skill and time. 21.49.52 # <[Saint]> there's not just "SSDs". there's "a bajillion SSDs that do things every so slightly differently". 21.50.25 # so now I only need "rockbox coding skills" 21.50.32 # <[Saint]> usually fixing a bug like this comes down to either getting that hardware to someone willing, or getting it done yourself. 21.50.40 # that's the last skill required to do this 21.51.32 # <[Saint]> Fortunately, we're mostly C. Much worse and significantly less useful languages to learn. 21.52.03 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21.52.21 # c is very low level 21.52.43 # <[Saint]> ~ 21.53.13 # <[Saint]> it's definitely not one of the new fangled heavily abstracted hand holding hipster langs, sure. 21.54.00 # <[Saint]> which is a large part of why it is still common and will continue to be. 21.54.09 # <[Saint]> at least in the embedded sense. 21.57.44 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.57.52 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 21.58.01 # I guess for ATA it would make sense to do like Linux: have a list of quirks, identify the broken adaptor with the ATA identity (hoping it reports the adaptors, not the msata) and apply the correct fix 21.58.21 # until someone implements that, no SSD patch will make it mainline I'm afraid 21.58.46 # <[Saint]> especially not one as broken-ass as the only one I'm aware of on offer. 22.04.59 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.06.12 Nick JanC is now known as Guest53816 (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.06.12 Quit Guest53816 (Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 22.06.12 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.14.31 # what player nowadays would be a good alternative to sandisk clip+ with rockbox ? 22.26.56 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.28.40 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 22.37.32 Quit paulk-collins (Quit: Leaving) 22.40.43 # I'm looking at the xduoo x3 22.41.05 # seeing if it's a good alternative, it seems to decode high bitrate stuff and is pretty cheap 22.41.16 # I don't have one so I don't know if it's good or not 22.42.22 # I really like the Fiio X1 22.42.31 Quit nlogex (Quit: WeeChat 1.6) 22.42.51 Join nlogex [0] (~filip@CPEa84e3f5c8563-CMa84e3f5c8560.cpe.net.fido.ca) 22.44.39 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 22.44.53 Quit robertd1 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.45.38 Quit xorly (Quit: I quit, that is all) 22.45.46 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-89-176-10-118.net.upcbroadband.cz) 22.46.32 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.208.231.245) 22.46.49 Part robertd1 22.53.13 Join smoke_fumus [0] (~smoke_fum@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-116-170.telecom.by) 22.55.22 # on the stable rockbox ports today, is there any that are still buyable today ? 22.57.05 # plenty are buyable second hand, but all very discontinued I think. Hopefully the new ports will be usable soon 22.58.53 # very disappointed that no sandisk new model has same qualities than older ones 23.02.36 # <[Saint]> honestly, why? 23.02.44 # <[Saint]> their build quality has always been shit. 23.04.02 # <[Saint]> gritty unusable clickwheels, creaky cheap plastic cases, off-centered displays, jack ports that are hilariously badly secured... 23.05.08 # sandisk hater \o/ 23.05.38 # <[Saint]> Damn skippy. 23.05.51 # he's right, the newer models have worse hardware and OF 23.06.07 # that's part of qualities 23.06.12 # not everything is about build quality 23.06.40 # <[Saint]> the older models were "OK" if you could accept that "hitting them really hard" was an accepted debugging mode for failure. 23.06.52 # i was just looking for a very affordable player with rockbox, and a good FM RDS radio 23.06.57 # <[Saint]> that's true of the early iPods too I guess. 23.07.00 # you can't expect a 50€ player to have the same build quality as an iPod (since you're obviously always referring to iPod) 23.07.04 # and the sandisk clip zip was ok for that 23.07.42 # <[Saint]> lebellium: I don't think that was obvious at all. 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