--- Log for 04.01.117 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 16 hours ago 00.02.54 # pamaury: Do you intend to support ZEN native NAND format, allowing dual boot? 00.07.36 # lebellium: Thanks. I've amended https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/BuyersGuide?rev1=88;rev2=89 for Sansa Fuze v2, Sansa Clip+. 00.16.16 # chrisjj: most probably not 00.17.07 # the only thing that could potentially be done, iirc, is to split the OF user section into two: one for OF (using OF format) and one for rockbox. 00.17.34 # but the OF could only use its partition and rockbox its, some every music file would have to be duplicated 00.22.01 # Would that need a custom partitioning program? 00.23.09 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-194-49.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.24.09 # yes, which would have to be implemented in the bootloader, so not super user friendly 00.24.30 # and that's assuming the OF does not complain about this of course, which needs to be tested 00.24.46 # (Creative uses a completely custom partition table format) 00.30.28 Join treaki__ [0] (~treaki@p5B11CEE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.33.07 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.34.05 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-190-37.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.34.13 Quit treaki_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.36.47 # <[Saint]> create_ssh () 00.36.48 # <[Saint]> { 00.36.48 # <[Saint]> ssh-keygen -b 4096 -v -C "$(whoami)@$(hostname) $(date +"%F-%T (%A %B %d %Y %H:%M %Z %z)")" 00.36.48 DBUG Enqueued KICK [Saint] 00.36.48 # <[Saint]> } 00.36.52 # <[Saint]> shit, sorry. 00.37.07 # OK. Sounds not worth the effort. How about dual boot using external memory? 00.37.53 Quit TorC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 00.38.20 # lebellium: I added Sansa Clip Zip https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/BuyersGuide?rev1=88;rev2=89 . If you know the RB battery life (sic), please add it. 00.40.02 Join TorC [0] (~TorC@fsf/member/TorC) 00.43.21 Quit ender_ (Quit: I spilled Spot Remover on my dog... Now he's gone.) 00.47.34 # chrisjj: that would mean putting rockbox on the external SD all the time. Also rockbox would not be able to use the internal storage. That's a possibility but I feel it's a bit of a shame 00.47.58 # but I don't have a strong opinion 00.48.14 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 00.52.05 Join Strife1989 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-72.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.52.45 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.58.35 # yet another possibility is to: 00.58.35 # 1) have rockox always boot from SD card 00.58.35 # 2) but be able to use internal storage if it is formated as FAT 00.59.14 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.59.14 # * pamaury goes to bed and will think about it 01.06.24 Join treaki_ [0] (~treaki@p5B11CA10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.10.06 Quit treaki__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01.10.20 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.26.22 # "rockbox on the external SD all the time" I think this is definitely preferable to not being able to dual boot at all. 01.34.23 # <[Saint]> chrisjj: we should have runtime tables for most targets on the runtime comparison wiki. 01.34.56 # <[Saint]> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime 01.36.21 # <[Saint]> with git head these days, assuming good battery health, you're looking at around 20~22h 01.38.57 Join treaki__ [0] (~treaki@p5B11C596.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.40.47 Quit Mihail (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 01.42.14 Quit treaki_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.58.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.06.21 Quit skapazzo (Quit: leaving) 02.10.59 Join treaki_ [0] (~treaki@p54BF2F8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.14.27 Quit treaki__ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.22.47 # "rockbox would not be able to use the internal storage." Not much of a problem. Most ZENs are 8Gb, the card slot is rarely used (because of poor OF support) and an additional 8Gb card for RB costs only £5e. 02.36.34 Quit PurlingNayuki (Quit: PurlingNayuki) 02.37.10 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:e5bc:b9b9:81ba:7c2e) 02.46.38 # [Saint]: Thanks. I've added the Sansa Clip Zip RB runtime to the Buyer's Guide. 02.47.39 Quit diox (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.49.32 # Interesting to see RB 19h 55min, OF 7h 45min. Is the OF figure really that low? For ZEN, the RB and OF figures are similar. 02.51.39 Join diox [0] (~u@c80-216-201-69.bredband.comhem.se) 03.13.10 Quit aptzero (Quit: Leaving.) 03.13.54 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 03.44.28 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 03.49.33 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@ipservice-092-211-049-221.092.211.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 03.54.34 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 03.58.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.19.53 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:e5bc:b9b9:81ba:7c2e) 04.25.08 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.48.51 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@pool-108-51-84-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 04.53.25 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05.08.48 Join treaki__ [0] (~treaki@p5B11C641.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.13.18 Quit treaki_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 05.49.20 Quit b-f-1 (Remote host closed the connection) 05.58.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.49.20 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06.49.41 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.50.44 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06.51.16 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip5b42c25b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 06.51.16 Quit kugel (Changing host) 06.51.16 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 06.51.56 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 07.14.39 Join lebellium_z3c [0] (~AndChat73@89-93-179-5.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 07.14.49 Quit lebellium_z3c (Client Quit) 07.35.43 Quit girafe (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.38.10 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@pool-108-51-84-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 07.58.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.08.41 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 08.08.48 Quit edhelas (Client Quit) 08.14.27 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 08.15.35 Quit nlogex (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.22.40 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 08.24.40 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.07.50 Quit paulk-collins (Remote host closed the connection) 09.33.14 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@pool-108-51-84-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 09.38.02 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.46.16 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.58.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.19.17 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10.25.55 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@114.255.40.10) 10.30.10 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.33.22 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.116.87.49.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 10.33.42 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.35.08 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@114.255.40.10) 10.39.20 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.40.38 # chrisjj: I will into that then. I'd like to get more opinions on that in the forum before 11.02.07 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11.13.41 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.20.36 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 11.20.49 Quit dfkt (Remote host closed the connection) 11.25.53 Join treaki_ [0] (~treaki@p5B11CB8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.29.33 Quit treaki__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.36.29 Join parchd [0] (~parchd@unaffiliated/parchd) 11.47.21 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.242.214.237) 11.47.52 Part robertd1 11.48.05 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.242.214.237) 11.49.05 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:98cf:54b3:c498:3c97) 11.49.39 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.58.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.00.54 Join pamaury_ [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.03.55 Join treaki__ [0] (~treaki@p5B11C72F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.06.35 Join lebellium_z3c [0] (~AndChat73@80.215.247.218) 12.08.08 Quit treaki_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12.08.49 # pamaury: A user tried scsitool dest_tool on nw-wm1a and zx2 and it says "unknown model". 12.09.26 # lebellium_z3c: you have wm1a and zx2 ? :-o 12.09.42 # ZX2 is android-based so I assume it can't work? WM1 is the newest one 12.09.51 # ZX2 will not be supported 12.10.00 # I don't but on my French forum there are some users 12.10.12 # for wm1, I need either a firmware upgrade or to extract firmware, wait a minute please 12.11.42 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 12.12.01 # lebellium_z3c: there is a firmware update available, I'll have a quick look and update the tool 12.12.08 # Nice :) 12.13.23 # Maybe look at new A30 too 12.16.54 # sure 12.36.06 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:45b2:7ce8:b47c:12a) 12.40.00 # pamaury: re your ZEN "have rockox always boot from SD card but be able to use internal storage if it is formated as FAT" https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20170104#00:58:35 12.40.27 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12.43.34 # ... how would the user receive the option of formatting the internal storage as FAT? 12.47.23 Quit lebellium_z3c (Quit: Bye) 13.08.14 # chrisjj: rockbox would export two drivers on USB: SD card and internal. Internal would use the custom Creative OS but if the user reformats (using any software) to FAT, rockbox can use it 13.08.33 # *drives 13.09.18 # so basically the same situation as now, except that rockbox can always boot because it boots from SD card, so the user as the option to leave the internal storage alone for the OF 13.09.25 # *has 13.14.17 # lebellium (logs): I have some bad news, I can't crack the key of the nw-wm1, I will need someone to get it from the device, I'll give your instructions when you are online 13.24.25 Join lebellium_z3c [0] (~AndChat73@80.215.247.218) 13.25.34 # pamaury: got it :( Is it easy to do? I mean can I just copy/paste your instructions or should the user come here? 13.27.42 # pamaury_: * 13.27.53 Quit diox (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.32.49 Part robertd1 13.33.16 Join diox [0] (~u@c80-216-201-69.bredband.comhem.se) 13.33.59 # lebellium_z3c: it should be simple, just I will put the code on gerrit and tell you what command to run. Do you usually compile things for those users ? 13.36.07 # I can compile for him if needed. But would that help since I don't have the device? 13.36.46 # He set up his own RB environment to try the scsitool 13.36.57 # So he should be able to run some commands too 13.37.00 # potentially because it will need getting some code from gerrit, makes it slightly more complicated, but please wait 5/10 minute, I'm testing the code 13.37.02 # ok 13.38.54 Quit lebellium_z3c (Quit: Bye) 13.39.16 Join lebellium_z3c [0] (~AndChat73@80.215.247.218) 13.44.41 Quit lebellium_z3c (Quit: Bye) 13.45.24 Join lebellium_z3c [0] (~AndChat73@80.215.247.218) 13.46.43 Quit lebellium_z3c (Client Quit) 13.47.05 Join lebellium_z3c [0] (~AndChat73@80.215.247.218) 13.50.28 # lebellium_z3c: instructions: 13.50.28 # 1) get g#1424 13.50.28 # 2) go to utils/nwztools/scsitools/ 13.50.28 DBUG Enqueued KICK pamaury_ 13.50.28 # 3) make 13.50.29 # 4) sudo ./scsitool -s nw-a30 /dev/sdX get_dnk_nvp kas (for NW-A30, replace sdX by drive) 13.50.29 # 3Gerrit review #1424 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1424 : 3Initial commit for the Sony NWZ linux port and NWZ-E460 (WIP) by Amaury Pouly 13.50.31 # 4) sudo ./scsitool -s nw-wm1 /dev/sdX get_dnk_nvp kas (for NW-WM1, replace sdX by drive) 13.50.33 # send me the resulting output 13.51.25 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.51.51 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 13.53.02 # lebellium_z3c: I will try to widen the search for the key, but it may take some time since is pseudo brute force 13.56.25 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.242.214.237) 13.57.32 # pamaury_: thanks. I'll give the instructions for WM1. I don't know any A30 user but that may come 13.58.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.04.01 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1903:d800:54c0:63ce:c6c1:a8b2) 14.05.26 # In RB on devices with remote screens, Do menus show up on the remotes or are they strictly for playback controls/data? Alse, are they typically charcell or is bmp common? 14.08.59 # I think all supported LCD remotes are bitmap, but I'm not 100% sure 14.12.45 # For the menus, I don't actually know... 14.13.15 # Of course there's also the iaudio m3, where the remote is the only display and is therefore treated as the main lcd 14.13.50 # I seem to recall the menu was available on the iRiver 140 remotes. 14.14.03 # I've long since lost track of the remote for mine though, so couldn't swear to it. 14.14.30 # k, thanks 14.35.32 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@pool-108-51-84-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 14.36.17 Quit lebellium_z3c (Quit: Bye) 14.37.29 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:a4dd:3d81:647e:ce43) 14.41.17 # On bitmap remotes menu is available, even some plugins are. There are two (I believe) supported remote without display at all (for the Archoses with HD and IIRC there's also a simple type of remote for the Irivers which is screenless). There's also the M:Robe 100's remote which has a small monochrome bitmap display and a few charcell icons - don't know if these are supported though. The other Iriver remotes are monochrome bitmap displays, the 14.41.18 # Iaudio remote has a greyscale bitmap display 14.41.58 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14.42.59 # oh, and there's also the Gigabeat remote, again without display 14.48.26 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 14.59.07 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 15.02.42 Join aptzero [0] (~Adium@96-95-20-86-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) 15.03.47 Quit elensil (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.07.59 Quit diox (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.08.43 Join diox [0] (~u@c80-216-201-69.bredband.comhem.se) 15.12.17 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.159.0.123.dyn.user.ono.com) 15.19.46 # Seems like 'secondary display' is the term more appropriate than remote that may or may not have a display that may or may not be additional to a main display. 15.23.42 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1903:d800:54c0:63ce:c6c1:a8b2) 15.26.46 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@pool-108-51-84-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 15.44.38 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 15.52.37 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15.53.01 Join Bilgus_ph [0] (~Bilgus_ph@108.100.175.150) 15.54.55 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 15.56.48 # huh? Where's the "secondary display" if the remote has none, and even if the head unit has none? Why should this be a better term and where should this be used? I'm not sure though if your answer would help me understand this better, judged by the things I've read from you here so far 15.57.15 Quit Bilgus_ph (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.58.14 Join Bilgus_ph [0] (~Bilgus_ph@108.100.175.150) 15.58.34 # all of them are used to remotely control the main player though, hence remote (control) 15.58.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.00.41 Quit Bilgus_ph (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.13.17 Quit Strife1989 (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 16.13.47 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-72.mcn.bellsouth.net) 16.14.08 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 16.27.17 Quit utrack (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16.31.16 Join utrack [0] (~utrack@21422.s.t4vps.eu) 16.31.53 Quit uwe_mobile__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16.32.43 Join uwe_mobile [0] (~uwe@static.173.76.9.176.clients.your-server.de) 16.39.02 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:b456:62a:2775:b5eb) 16.43.07 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.50.07 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-73-87-250-225.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 17.03.16 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 3c3e133, 255 builds, 16 clients. 17.07.54 Join nlogex [0] (~filip@CPE30469a4d21ac-CMa84e3f5c8560.cpe.net.fido.ca) 17.16.18 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 782 seconds. 17.16.19 # Build Server message: 3Revision 3c3e133 result: All green 17.16.20 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision ad2297d, 255 builds, 15 clients. 17.18.20 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 17.19.14 Quit Ruhan (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 17.19.19 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.19.49 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 17.22.15 Quit pamaury_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17.25.08 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 528 seconds. 17.25.09 # Build Server message: 3Revision ad2297d result: All green 17.37.32 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.38.42 Nick JanC is now known as Guest75542 (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.38.42 Quit Guest75542 (Killed (nylund.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 17.38.42 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.58.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.38.35 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.41.14 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@114.255.40.10) 18.42.56 Join mutnai [0] (6db91733@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.185.23.51) 18.45.34 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18.53.13 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 18.54.42 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 19.18.59 # pixelma: "Where's the "secondary display" if the remote has none" There's none. "and even if the head unit has none" There's none. 19.20.19 # "Why should this be a better term" Because "In RB on devices with remote screens, Do menus show up on the remotes" is really asking "In RB on devices with secondary screens, Do menus show up on the secondary", I think. 19.39.49 # chrisjj: would you mind posting on the ZEN and ZEN X-Fi threads your proposal to always boot from SD card and make internal storage optional ? 19.40.38 # on our forums and other forums if there is more activity elsewhere that you are aware of 19.57.25 Quit parchd (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19.58.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.06.59 # pamaury: Sure, will do. We'd get more interest I think if the LDC-fixed ZEN went official, in RB Daily Builds. 20.19.53 # chrisjj: it affects mostly the bootloader though, which means one needs to update the BL, a daily build is not enough, but I get your point 20.31.44 Part robertd1 20.36.01 DEBUG EOF from server (Success) (snapshot: netstuff.c line 545) 20.36.01 *** Cleanup 20.36.01 *** Cleanup 20.36.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.36.01 *** Exit 20.36.04 *** Started Dancer V4.16 20.36.04 *** Connected to irc.freenode.net on port 6667 20.36.04 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 20.36.06 Mode "logbot :+i" by logbot 20.36.12 *** Server message 501: 'logbot :Unknown MODE flag' 20.36.13 Join logbot [0] (~rockbox@giant.haxx.se) 20.36.13 Join Elfish [0] (amba@2001:1608:12:1:13:3:3:7) 20.36.13 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 20.36.13 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 20.36.13 Join mutnai [0] (6db91733@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.185.23.51) 20.36.13 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.36.13 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 20.36.13 Join nlogex [0] (~filip@CPE30469a4d21ac-CMa84e3f5c8560.cpe.net.fido.ca) 20.36.13 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-73-87-250-225.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 20.36.13 Join uwe_mobile [0] (~uwe@static.173.76.9.176.clients.your-server.de) 20.36.13 Join utrack [0] (~utrack@21422.s.t4vps.eu) 20.36.13 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-72.mcn.bellsouth.net) 20.36.13 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 20.36.13 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1903:d800:54c0:63ce:c6c1:a8b2) 20.36.13 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.159.0.123.dyn.user.ono.com) 20.36.13 Join diox [0] (~u@c80-216-201-69.bredband.comhem.se) 20.36.13 Join aptzero [0] (~Adium@96-95-20-86-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) 20.36.13 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 20.36.13 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 20.36.13 Join treaki__ [0] (~treaki@p5B11C72F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.36.13 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:98cf:54b3:c498:3c97) 20.36.13 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.116.87.49.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 20.36.13 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 20.36.13 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@85.187.103.250) 20.36.13 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 20.36.13 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@ipservice-092-211-049-221.092.211.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 20.36.13 Join TorC [0] (~TorC@fsf/member/TorC) 20.36.13 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 20.36.13 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 20.36.13 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 20.36.13 Join Acou_Bass [0] (~Acou_Bass@host-78-148-16-72.as13285.net) 20.36.13 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@unaffiliated/user890104) 20.36.13 Join CustosL1men [0] (~CustosLim@unaffiliated/cust0slim3n) 20.36.13 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 20.36.13 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@178.174.137.46) 20.36.13 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@xd9bee8d5.dyn.telefonica.de) 20.36.13 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.36.13 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 20.36.13 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca) 20.36.13 Join madk [0] (~noneofyou@107.170.140.154) 20.36.13 Join WakiMiko [0] (~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko) 20.36.13 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 20.36.13 Join sbach [0] (~sbach@107.189.42.74) 20.36.13 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@p5B0FB259.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.36.13 Join prg318 [0] (~prg318@deadcodersociety/prg318) 20.36.13 Join StaticAmbience [0] (~Quassel@host217-42-102-24.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 20.36.13 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 20.36.13 Join CommunistWitchDr [0] (quasselcor@97-87-177-85.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 20.36.13 Join anonus [0] (~anonymous@citadel.niflheim.info) 20.36.13 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 20.36.13 Join sparetire [0] (~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire) 20.36.13 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@S010610c37b922980.vs.shawcable.net) 20.36.13 Join __builtin [0] (~xray@rockbox/developer/builtin) 20.36.13 Join munch [0] (pls@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pxkymapqlvzgyhrg) 20.36.13 Join igitoor [0] (igitur@unaffiliated/contempt) 20.36.13 Join atsampson [0] (~ats@cartman.offog.org) 20.36.13 Join Cu5tosLimen [0] (~CustosLim@unaffiliated/cust0slim3n) 20.36.13 Join bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@173-25-204-30.client.mchsi.com) 20.36.13 Join x56 [0] (0x56@unaffiliated/x56) 20.36.13 Join fIorz [0] (nobody@rain.florz.de) 20.36.13 Join Topy44 [0] (topy@ns3.kurz.pw) 20.36.13 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.36.13 Join ender| [0] (krneki@2a01:260:4094:1:42:42:42:42) 20.36.13 Join Staphylo [0] (~Staphylo@2a01:4f8:190:126a:d70a:378:c354:a3a3) 20.36.13 Join Horrorcat [0] (~unknown@unaffiliated/horrorcat) 20.36.13 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 20.36.13 Join rudi_s [0] (~simon@kraftwerk.ruderich.eu) 20.36.13 Join ranmacha1 [0] (~ranma@yumi.uguu.de) 20.36.13 Join n17ikh [0] (~n17ikh@unaffiliated/n17ikh) 20.36.13 Join The_Prospector [0] (~The_Prosp@unaffiliated/cornman) 20.36.13 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 20.36.13 Join thum [0] (~thum@www.vikings.net) 20.36.13 Join derf [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 20.36.13 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 20.36.13 Join puckipedia [0] (puck@puckipedia.com) 20.36.13 Join Bilgus [0] (ae6611d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.102.17.217) 20.36.13 Join Rondom [0] (~rondom@modo.nonmodosedetiam.net) 20.36.13 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.36.13 Join shrizza [0] (~shrizza@210.154.134.187) 20.36.13 Join chrisjj [0] (5001d87b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.1.216.123) 20.36.13 Join tomflint [0] (~tomflint@unaffiliated/tomflint) 20.36.13 Join Moarc [0] (~chujko@a105.net128.okay.pl) 20.36.13 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@testificate.xen.prgmr.com) 20.36.13 Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 20.36.13 Join aevin_ [0] (eivindsy@microbel.pvv.ntnu.no) 20.36.13 Join evilnick_ [0] (~evilnick@d54C3417E.access.telenet.be) 20.36.13 Join yosafbridge` [0] (~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net) 20.36.13 Join preglow [0] (~thomj@2001:840:4243:3::101) 20.36.13 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 20.36.13 Join zu [0] (~zu@ks387228.kimsufi.com) 20.36.13 Join Riku [0] (~riku@hatsune.thisis.moe) 20.36.13 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 20.36.13 Join ruskie [0] (ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) 20.36.13 Join olejorgenb [0] (~olejorgen@cm-84.215.214.223.getinternet.no) 20.36.13 Join gluytium [0] (U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org) 20.36.13 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 20.36.13 Join Fa1th [0] (~Fa1th@46.101.133.147) 20.36.13 Join Kohlrabi [0] (~kohlrabi@kohlio.de) 20.36.13 Join uwe_android [0] (~uwe_andro@static.173.76.9.176.clients.your-server.de) 20.36.13 Join beveradb [0] (~beveradb@5.196.140.63) 20.36.13 Join froggyman [0] (~frogs@unaffiliated/froggyman) 20.36.13 Join comradekingu [0] (~comradeki@ti0005a400-4108.bb.online.no) 20.36.13 Join olspookishmagus [0] (~pookie@snf-137798.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) 20.36.13 Join Tristitia [0] (~tristitia@static-ip-69-64-50-196.inaddr.ip-pool.com) 20.36.13 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@shell.bzed.at) 20.36.13 Join TD-Linux [0] (~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) 20.36.13 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 20.36.13 Join cttttt [0] (sid135570@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tsuwnttcsxiuaebx) 20.36.13 Join Jack87 [0] (Jack87@nasadmin/admin/jack87) 20.36.13 Join APLU [0] (~mulx@eva.aplu.fr) 20.36.13 Join snow_bckspc [0] (~snow_bcks@ganon.dot-server.net) 20.36.13 Join maraz_ [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 20.36.13 Join dongs [0] (~dongs@bcas.tv) 20.36.13 Join vflyson [0] (~vflyson@cupcake.uberspace.net) 20.36.13 Join K1773R [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 20.36.13 Join knittl [0] (~knittl@unaffiliated/knittl) 20.36.13 Join vifino [0] (~vifino@tty.sh) 20.36.13 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 20.36.13 Join rogeliodh [0] (~rogeliodh@ec2-52-90-241-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com) 20.36.13 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 20.36.13 Join @ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.) 20.36.13 Join ved [0] (ved@ddsbox.tk) 20.36.14 Join shmibs [0] (~shmibs@shmibbles.me) 20.36.16 Join alucryd [0] (~quassel@archlinux/developer/alucryd) 20.36.17 Join dan- [0] (~d@101.165.168.135) 20.36.17 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@d83-183-134-99.cust.tele2.se) 20.36.19 Join Slasheri [0] (miipekk@xen.ihme.org) 20.36.20 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@nzf.turmel.info) 20.36.27 Join Petri152 [0] (~Petri@petritrebs.ca) 20.36.44 Quit Slasheri (Changing host) 20.36.44 Join Slasheri [0] (miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 20.36.44 Quit GeekShadow (Changing host) 20.36.44 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 20.37.07 Join marex-cloud [0] (sid137234@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxabqmurngvuvckw) 20.38.24 Quit dan- (Changing host) 20.38.24 Join dan- [0] (~d@freenode/corporate-sponsor/privateinternetaccess.com/doaks) 20.38.59 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@LFbn-1-11729-221.w2-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.48.12 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-179-5.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 20.50.34 Join Ruhan [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cqvhuxodwqlqhmzi) 20.58.04 # pamaury: the user couldn't apply the patch (around 17:00) 20.58.08 # branch refs/changes/24/1424/15 -> FETCH_HEAD 20.58.09 # error : could not apply 639a7aa… Initial commit for the NWZ linux and NWZ-E460 (WIP) 20.58.11 # hint : after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths 20.58.12 # hint: with ‘git add’ or ‘git rm ’ 20.58.14 # hint: and commit the result with ‘git commit’ 20.58.43 # then try again later (20:00) and it worked 20.58.47 # but gave this message: 20.58.55 # User forced series, auto-detection disabled 20.58.57 # model: Unknown 20.58.58 # Series: NW-WM1 Series 20.59.00 # Device didn't send the expected amount of data 21.01.22 # I'm not sure he did some "git pull --rebase" bedore. He probably tried to apply the patch on top of this trunk dated yersterday 21.03.24 Quit aptzero (Quit: Leaving.) 21.03.55 # lebellium: I made some changes, it's now in the trunk 21.04.01 # ah that's bad 21.04.13 # it means they might have changed the key and algorithm :-/ 21.05.11 # or maybe the firmware format is completely different 21.06.40 # I noticed they use a more recent linux kernel (3.x.x instead of 2.6.x) 21.06.57 # that's not the first device to do that 21.07.17 # this afternoon I tried to brute force all alphanumeric passwords for the upgrade and it didn't work, the format must be different 21.07.34 # it might still be possible to change the destination using scsitool 21.07.44 # using the usual command but adding -s nw-wm1 21.10.09 # would "get" work or only "set"? 21.11.05 # both, assuming sony still uses the same interface for the wm1 21.11.30 # I would say first do get, see if the result made sense, and then try set if it does 21.12.00 # so 21.12.02 # sudo ./scsitool -s nw-wm1 /dev/sdX dest_tool get 21.12.03 # ? 21.12.04 # also it means that if we want rockbox on the wm1, we'll need to dump the flash directly to find what they changed in the encryption 21.12.09 # yes 21.13.56 # I can ask him to dump the flash too 21.14.05 # can he do that ? 21.14.32 # I mean, he can follow good instructions like I do :P 21.15.14 # we did that for my A850 21.15.25 # maybe I can find the IRC logs 21.17.47 # no I mean, an actual dump, removing the flash physically 21.17.51 # ah! 21.17.55 # that how I figured out the encryption in the first place 21.18.04 # a software dumps requires to know that already!! 21.18.11 # indeed that's too much asked ^^ 21.18.39 # I don't see anyone doing that on a €1000 device apart you :p 21.18.40 # bluebrother: are you there ? 21.19.12 # lebellium: I'll send you another command to try on that wm1, I still have ideas 21.19.34 # ok 21.19.41 # is the guy really responsive or can that wait until tomorrow ? 21.20.28 # That can wait til tomorrow. I'll first ask him to try "get" with -s nw-wm1 just in case 21.21.48 # and also maybe make a "git reset --hard origin/master" then "git pull --rebase" to be sure he has the right sources 21.22.04 # yes 21.22.17 # you confirm the patch is not needed anymore? 21.22.22 # yes 21.42.06 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 21.43.34 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@59.64.255.199) 21.43.47 Join parchd [0] (~parchd@unaffiliated/parchd) 21.47.47 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.51.52 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.53.34 # pamaury: do you still need confirmed KAS for some models like NWZ-A10 or what you get from firmware is enough? 21.58.14 Quit alexweissman () 22.01.26 # lebellium: yes, confirming A10 would be nice 22.01.29 # A20 as well 22.01.46 # Model: NWZ-A15 22.01.48 # Series: NWZ-A10 Series 22.01.49 # kas: 22.01.51 # 32 35 37 32 66 34 61 37 62 38 63 31 61 30 38 61 2572f4a7b8c1a08a 22.01.52 # 65 62 35 31 34 32 63 65 39 63 62 38 33 34 64 36 eb5142ce9cb834d6 22.01.54 # 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 22.01.56 # 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 22.01.57 # for A20 give me some money, and I buy it :D 22.04.41 Quit parchd (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22.08.51 # thanks 22.09.40 Quit diox (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.13.06 Quit bray90820 (Read error: No route to host) 22.13.12 Join Bray90820_ [0] (~bray90820@173-25-204-30.client.mchsi.com) 22.15.51 Join diox [0] (~u@c80-216-201-69.bredband.comhem.se) 22.25.18 Join aptzero [0] (~Adium@96-95-53-2-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) 22.31.48 Quit mutnai (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.36.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.39.29 Quit nlogex (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.40.07 Join nlogex [0] (~filip@CPE30469a4d21ac-CMa84e3f5c8560.cpe.net.fido.ca) 22.44.14 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@59.64.255.199) 22.48.35 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.53.31 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]) 23.38.46 Quit diox (Quit: hm) 23.39.04 Join diox [0] (~u@c80-216-201-69.bredband.comhem.se) 23.39.53 Join fulon [0] (~vshyba@178.62.192.54) 23.40.22 # <__builtin> hello funman 23.40.24 # <__builtin> fulon: 23.40.27 # <__builtin> sorry funman 23.40.46 # hey, hello __builtin :) 23.41.30 # <__builtin> what was it that you were wanting to do again? 23.42.10 # has anyone extracted firmware from unbranded chinese mp3? Vendor 0xe2b7 Product 0x0811 23.43.34 # * __builtin isn't sure 23.44.16 # I would like to help people on loading code into unbranded highly available cheap devices so they can play with and help on free software projects porting, like rockbox and s1mp3 :) And learn a lot in the process 23.46.02 # <__builtin> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PortingHowTo would probably be a good place to start 23.46.21 # <__builtin> bah, not that one actualluy 23.46.37 # <__builtin> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 23.48.04 # thanks! :) Yes, I think I will need to take this one apart so I can check out the chip and look for jtag or something. No firmware tool is finding it so far 23.53.22 # <__builtin> be warned that an issue with porting to such an obscure device is that it could be enormously difficult to find any more of the devices 23.54.05 # I know. I was hoping for a known chip at first. :/ 23.54.16 # <__builtin> have you disassembled it yet? 23.54.33 # not yet, trying to find similar devices from the usb vendor and product id 23.58.41 # found one. "aitendo mp3". Looks like a dev board or something. using a chip with JL (or pi) then AB1244H. Will check against mine.