--- Log for 10.02.117 Server: adams.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 5 hours ago 00.05.02 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.08.01 Quit ender` (Quit: These were also the same guys who used a simplified hungarian notation in Java. To them, this meant that every variable name except for Strings and primitives was prefixed with an o ... because everything is an Object.... yup... — Xyro, TheDailyWTF) 00.08.32 # <__builtin> wait a second... can I move SDL to plugins/lib? 00.08.57 # <__builtin> shouldn't it only be included in the generated .rock when it's referenced from some other code? 00.10.16 # <__builtin> of course I'd need to support multi-file libraries, but that's another matter 00.10.35 Join sohakes_ [0] (~sohakes@186.207.108.231) 00.11.43 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.11.49 # Hey guys! I have a Sansa Clip Zip with Rockbox that I didn't use for a long time. I was wondering now if I could use it as an USB dac, but only found some old forum topics about it (it was not implemented at the time) 00.12.12 # Does anyone know if it's possible now with the latest git builds? I don't really know how to find the feature 00.12.19 Join gluytium [0] (U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org) 00.12.38 # <__builtin> sohakes_: not as far as I know 00.13.10 # I think there is a gerrit patch some where, I know there is a Flyspray patch 00.13.10 # That's sad, but thanks __builtin 00.13.31 # * __builtin isn't sure how usable the patch is though 00.13.39 # yeah 00.14.00 # I found this, but apparently it's not working https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11108 00.14.03 # didn't test it, though 00.14.05 # <__builtin> g#1009 00.14.06 # 3Gerrit review #1009 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1009 : 3Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly 00.14.28 # thats the one __builtin 00.14.56 # <__builtin> judging from the commit message it sounds like it at least works, but only in some cases 00.16.06 # <__builtin> sohakes_: what device do you have? 00.16.12 # <__builtin> oh never mind... 00.16.25 # it doesn't look like it works on sansa clip zip judging by the list, but maybe it's non exhaustive? 00.17.07 # the idea's been stale for years so it might 00.17.18 # <__builtin> no, it doesn't support the designware driver 00.17.28 # <__builtin> though wait a second 00.17.51 # <__builtin> you *might* be able to piece together g#1362 and that patch 00.17.53 # 3Gerrit review #1362 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1362 : 3usb-designware: implement blocking receive by Cástor Muñoz 00.18.11 # alone with linux's usb-gadget sources 00.18.23 # along* 00.19.04 # hmm, what does this last commit does? 00.19.15 # <__builtin> it implements a function that g#1009 relies on 00.19.16 # 3Gerrit review #1009 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1009 : 3Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly 00.19.23 # <__builtin> so in theory it might work 00.19.41 # <__builtin> if you want to try it, I'd suggest getting a development environment set up if you haven't already 00.19.57 # haha ok, well, I have no idea how rockbox works, but at least I'm on vacation, so I will try 00.20.20 # <__builtin> what operating system are you running? 00.20.29 # linux 00.20.38 # arch linux, specifically 00.20.39 # <__builtin> \o/ awesome! 00.21.14 # how do you guys not break arch everytime you look at it? I can't 00.21.27 # <__builtin> you can start by grabbing the sources as described here: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit 00.21.39 # Yay, thanks! 00.22.15 # <__builtin> after that you'll need to apply the two patches mentioned above, and hope it builds 00.22.15 # Oh, I do break, and then I get help here on IRC. But sometimes I think I'm too noob to use this haha 00.22.24 # ohh, sounds easy 00.22.38 # Although I think there will be conflicts with the newest codes? 00.23.14 # <__builtin> you /can/ just checkout g#1009 so you'll have exactly what the author had when he committed it 00.23.15 # 3Gerrit review #1009 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1009 : 3Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly 00.23.23 # <__builtin> but you'll be missing the newest features added after that point 00.23.49 # <__builtin> then you should be able to cherry-pick g#1362 onto that branch and it will hopefully work 00.23.51 # 3Gerrit review #1362 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1362 : 3usb-designware: implement blocking receive by Cástor Muñoz 00.24.09 # I guess it's fine, at least for a start. If I make it work I will try to get to the latest 00.24.17 # Thanks! 00.25.09 # <__builtin> after you've got the source tree cloned, set up your environment as described here: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide 00.26.16 # Alright :D 00.34.51 # hmm, rockbox boots fine with this microsd->compactflash adapter in my iriver H120 when I use bootloader USB mode on powerup. When trying to boot it without this indirection on powerup, it dies with ata error -11 00.34.59 # does that mean the set_features command failed? 00.35.18 # I'm still not sure where exactly this error comes from 00.35.58 Join Acou_Bass [0] (~Acou_Bass@host-89-241-252-133.as13285.net) 00.39.34 Join Piece_Maker [0] (~Acou_Bass@host-89-241-252-133.as13285.net) 00.40.28 Quit Acou_Bass (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.40.28 Nick Piece_Maker is now known as Acou_Bass (~Acou_Bass@host-89-241-252-133.as13285.net) 00.41.14 Nick ranmacha1 is now known as ranmachan (~ranma@yumi.uguu.de) 00.46.32 Quit girafe (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.54.14 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001:18e8:2:28b6:436:7bed:561a:236b) 00.58.30 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.59.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.00.09 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@149-160-130-179.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu) 01.00.33 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.00.40 # pamaury, lebellium: I just take a quick look at "MFi Accessory Firmware Specification R42", it says that the current ipod6g OF does not support "USB Host Mode" but it support "Digital Audio" lingo 01.01.20 # the "Digital Audio" lingo seems to use a few iAP commands (either USB or UART transport), mainly authentication and set sample rate, after that it seems it use standard USB audio, an excerpt: 01.01.48 # "Digital audio on Apple devices supports USB audio 1.0, with the addition that it will transfer digital audio on a High-Speed USB 2.0 bus as well as on a Full-Speed USB 1.1 bus. During transport, the accessory is the USB host, the Apple device is the USB device, and PCM data is synchronized with the 1ms USB start-of-frame (SOF) packets. More information about USB and its standards is available at http://www.usb.org" 01.02.29 # so it seems that probably using a future RB USB audio driver and not much effort we can support some iAP Digital Audio accessories 01.07.17 # doo any of our boot loaders even support RTL languages prior to the firmware loading? 01.07.21 # do* 01.10.51 # <__builtin> I don't believe so, but this isn't my area of expertise 01.11.16 # <__builtin> they don't seem to even support other languages in general 01.13.57 # yeah there is 10+ kb of unicode support code in the boot loader 01.14.21 # I wonder what that usb bridge says to the sd-adapter to make it work with rockbox 01.19.06 # maybe it's some timing issue? 01.19.13 # * dys adds random sleep statements to ata.c 01.20.19 # <__builtin> Bilgus: that seems rather odd 01.25.31 # eh its before compression so more like 5 kb 01.26.26 # \o/ 01.26.37 # ja, looks like that adapter needs some time to boot after reset 01.26.40 # http://paste.debian.net/913630/ 01.27.39 # i have no idea yet which one of the sleep statements did the trick though 01.29.42 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 01.29.45 # maybe it's worth finding out and getting into ata.c? 01.30.41 # I mean the bridge chip has a more robust timing than rockbox here… And I gather lots of other people have the idea of trying a sd->cf adapter in their old players as well 01.30.55 # s/adapter/adapters/ 01.36.59 # hey __builtin: I'm looking at the puzzles.make and I think "# todo: figure out how to do this with wildcards" can be helped by looking at my repo https://github.com/foolsh/The-Big-Bad-Universial-Makefile/blob/master/Makefile 01.37.39 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001:18e8:2:28b6:746a:5d81:4247:1a7) 01.38.43 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 01.42.47 # <__builtin> I tried something like $(PUZZLES_OBJDIR)/%.rock: $(PUZZLES_SRCDIR)/%.c $(PUZZLES_SHARED_OBJ) $(TLSFLIB) but I don't remember it working 01.44.02 # <__builtin> $(PUZZLES_OBJDIR)/%.rock: $(PUZZLES_OBJDIR)/%.o $(PUZZLES_SHARED_OBJ) $(TLSFLIB) actually 01.45.42 # Yeah..it needs more help from the preproccesor 01.46.20 # the makefile in the plugins root directory has this it might help yuou 01.47.07 # <__builtin> the issue is this, I think 01.47.31 # <__builtin> by having a multiple wildcard rules matching the plugin they might conflict 01.48.36 Join diox_ [0] (~u@c80-216-199-59.bredband.comhem.se) 01.51.56 Quit diox (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.53.08 Nick diox_ is now known as diox (~u@c80-216-199-59.bredband.comhem.se) 02.07.34 Quit sohakes_ (Quit: Lost terminal) 02.16.59 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@149-160-130-179.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu) 02.49.29 Quit skapazzo (Quit: leaving) 02.59.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.25.32 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 03.42.38 Join sohakes [0] (bacf6ce7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.207.108.231) 03.44.08 # I'm still trying to make my sansa clip zip work as a dac. To be fair I could only make it compile some time ago (with the virtual box) 03.44.42 # Anyway, here http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1009/ it says I should have found an USB Audio option in the debug menu, but I didn't find anything :(. Do I need to enable something? 03.45.29 # It looks like the option is here http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1009/1/apps/debug_menu.c but I don't really understand these constants, maybe I should compile with some flag? 03.52.59 Quit sohakes (Quit: Page closed) 03.55.16 # <__builtin> sohakes (logs): have you checked out that change? 04.12.44 # <__builtin> foo|sh: good news, I seem to have figured it out 04.13.23 # <__builtin> I needed to copy the rule for %.rock verbatim into the makefile 04.13.35 # <__builtin> after that it works correctly 04.18.42 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 04.19.34 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04.21.23 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 04.27.02 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 04.28.17 Join sohakes [0] (bacf6ce7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.207.108.231) 04.29.13 # I think so, __builtin, at least the added files are there, but maybe I did something wrong while compiling or something 04.29.56 # <__builtin> did you install the build after compiling (copy to player)? 04.30.51 # Yeah, I also did that. Just copied the .rockbox folder in the zip to the root, right? 04.31.14 # <__builtin> yeah 04.31.21 # also, the build version matches the one inside the build folder (rbversion.h) 04.31.30 # (but maybe it's always the same?) 04.31.40 # <__builtin> it shouldn't be 04.32.00 # so yeah, it's the new build 04.32.10 # <__builtin> ohh wait, you need to define USB_ENABLE_AUDIO somewhere I think 04.32.17 # there is an #ifdef HAVE_USBSTACK in the code 04.32.25 # <__builtin> that should be defined for your target 04.32.32 # ohh and that too 04.32.32 # but do I need to change that in the code itself? 04.32.41 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@xd9befc4e.dyn.telefonica.de) 04.33.02 # <__builtin> edit firmware/export/config/sansaclipzip.h to include #define USB_ENABLE_AUDIO 04.33.04 # <__builtin> and it should work 04.33.14 # ooh, that makes sense! Awesome, thanks :D 04.36.18 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision abd75a1, 255 builds, 16 clients. 04.36.25 # <__builtin> this had better work 04.37.20 # * __builtin remembers the days when we had five-minute builds 04.40.56 # Yay, I could enable it in the debug menu now 04.41.32 # buuuut I'm not entirely sure how it would work as a dac. I connect it by usb and it works like a USB keypad or something 04.41.52 # OH NO 04.41.55 # <__builtin> you need to disable USB HID mode in system settings 04.41.58 # are you kidding me, it works! 04.42.08 # no, it works, it was weird, I just plugged my earphones 04.42.10 # and it works haha 04.42.24 # Thaaank you very much __builtin 04.42.36 # * __builtin had barely anything to do with it working 04.42.56 # <__builtin> blame/thank pamaury when he comes back :P 04.44.32 # haha is he still here? I've also sent him an email, and a following email saying I solved it with help from here (with a thanks). 04.44.41 # you helped me make it work :D, thanks thanks! 04.44.47 # no need to buy an expensive dac now 04.45.17 # <__builtin> nah, he's on Europe time 04.45.20 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 542 seconds. 04.45.21 # Build Server message: 3Revision abd75a1 result: All green 04.45.40 # But I mean, the patch is old, but he is still an active developer, right? 04.45.43 # that's cool haha 04.45.48 # <__builtin> yeah, *very* active :P 04.46.01 # <__builtin> probably 90% of commits in the last ~4 years are from him 04.46.02 # Haha pretty great 04.46.12 # Woah :O 04.47.09 # <__builtin> 1000+ commits or so 04.47.27 # <__builtin> anyhow, I've got to go 04.47.33 # <__builtin> good night 04.48.16 # Good night, and again, thanks a lot __builtin! 04.51.36 Quit sohakes (Quit: Page closed) 04.59.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.05.37 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 05.07.36 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 05.19.51 Quit TheSeven (Remote host closed the connection) 05.22.19 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.01.17 Quit gluytium (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.04.27 Join gluytium [0] (U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org) 06.07.11 Quit amiconn (Quit: No Ping reply in 64 seconds.) 06.07.53 Join preglow_ [0] (~thomj@2001:840:4243:3::101) 06.08.28 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.09.37 Quit preglow (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 06.18.18 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 06.21.09 Quit furrywolf (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06.24.44 # prof_wolfff: re iAP audio: it looks a little bit weird though, it's means the audio stream are reversed then. Because the device is a slave, so if it wants to send data to the host, it is as if it was recording (ie the device sends the data, not the other way around) 06.59.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.00.05 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 07.00.27 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 07.16.05 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.20.01 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07.23.45 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.44.52 # hey frankie (someone remind me of IRC nick), I just did a build and a bunch of puzzles' .elf and .map files are getting left behind 07.47.38 Join Yst [0] (~Yst@gateway/tor-sasl/yst) 07.49.44 # My mobile keeps acting up, and I'm seriously considering not carrying one any more. One of the main things that I used my mobile for though is as a music player, so I'm considering getting a Rockbox device instead. 07.50.02 # Does anyone here know if Rockbox supports the ext4 file system? 07.50.17 # Or any other file system with case sensitivity and decent character support? 07.50.36 # FAT is simply not an option for both reasons. 07.55.26 Quit paulk-collins (Quit: Leaving) 08.05.50 Join Bretos [0] (~bretos@vps.tyborek.pl) 08.05.54 # hello guys! 08.14.07 # Greetings, Bretos! 08.23.45 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.25.02 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.34.10 # jhMikeS: __builtin 08.38.40 # pixelma: franklin wei? 08.39.06 # Yes 08.59.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.18.24 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 09.18.40 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@59.40.45.76) 09.23.57 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-177-91.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 10.11.39 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1903:d800:75b2:24b0:df8c:a637) 10.53.29 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.54.00 Join concit [0] (2e0ec04d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.14.192.77) 10.58.46 # http://mipscreator.imgtec.com/CI20/hardware/soc/JZ4780_PM.pdf 10.59.04 # is that the one needed for agptek rocker? 10.59.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.02.32 # huh 11.03.10 # Is there anything I can do to help release rockbox? I see new commits coming everyday, but there has been no release for last 4 years 11.03.37 # does rockbox need a CI enviroment, hosts to serve packages? 11.09.07 # http://198.13.102.98/bj/ingenic_support/X1000_X1000E_X1500/02_HW/01_Phoenix/Phoenix_V2.0/03Datasheet/X1000_PM_20150918.pdf 11.10.39 Quit concit (Quit: Page closed) 11.12.22 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 11.26.48 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 7373cf5, 255 builds, 16 clients. 11.27.31 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.33.32 # Bretos: Find some dev interested to be release manager? Thats boring task really and if someone find some free time, doing release is the very last thing one might find exciting :P\ 11.34.31 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 463 seconds. 11.34.32 # Build Server message: 3Revision 7373cf5 result: 214 errors 65 warnings 11.36.55 # wodz: if I were to set up CI environment using my own buildpower, could rockbox.org make use of those images? Heck, I may even host them 11.37.11 # *building* isn't the issue 11.38.11 # From my own perspective, the big issue is that I'd say that for 75% (or more) of our targets we don't actually have any idea if they work properly these days 11.38.17 # They *probably* do, but... 11.40.48 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 11.45.46 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision a4dc244, 255 builds, 16 clients. 11.47.47 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.49.29 # gevaerts: We should probably rob rebellium and take over his collection :-) 11.52.44 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 418 seconds. 11.52.45 # Build Server message: 3Revision a4dc244 result: All green 11.58.17 # gevaerts: I have a huge collection but only 15-20 Rockbox targets! 11.59.44 # pamaury: just got my Rocker! It's also fw 1.01beta 11.59.54 # That's strange to release a player with a beta firmware 12.02.24 Nick jvoisin_ is now known as jvoisin (~jvoisin@dustri.org) 12.02.47 # looks like screen resolution is 128x160 12.02.50 # it's terrible 12.16.50 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:49d2:a657:feaa:b8a1) 12.17.57 # pamaury: ah, that flash update routine I was puzzling about is actually called once per block (45x64kB ones) 12.18.17 # the flash update process is starting to make more sense now 12.18.46 # I'm confident I get my own code (debug stub or something) running on the blackfin this weekend 12.20.40 # dys: Is there device usb hardware available on this SoC or all usb communication is through cypress chip? 12.21.09 # wodz: there are two usb connecters on this thing, one wired to the blackfin, another to the SoC 12.21.33 # I think the Cypress SoC makes the standard USB audio device, the blackfin the apple proprietary stuff 12.22.19 # dys: Ok, then you could try to port hwstub https://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=tree;f=utils/hwstub/stub;h=c77ab735483d2f554409f795ab62be52482c521a;hb=HEAD 12.22.52 # dys: Usb driver uses only ep0 which makes it relatively easy to write driver. 12.23.43 # wodz: I thought about putting my toy forth on there -> https://github.com/anse1/stubforth/wiki 12.24.17 # lots of experience getting it to run on anything that has 16kB memory or more 12.24.28 # dys: With hwstub running you get pretty powerfull lua shell 12.24.53 # a forth interpreter you can talk to is powerful as well :-) 12.25.12 # you save the roundtrip time over the tether by interactively defining new forth words 12.25.44 # so ad-hoc poking around in MMIO registers is pretty comfortable there too 12.27.01 # dys: Well, I wouldn't call forth comfortable language by current standards. Anyway its your toy, your choice 12.27.23 # exactly, I want to brick it my way :-) 12.27.44 # wodz: thanks for the pointer 12.40.43 Join paulk-blaze [0] (~paulk@no3.u-bordeaux.fr) 12.45.52 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@186-90-12-124.genericrev.cantv.net) 12.46.42 # dys: I guess you know that https://github.com/krater/Blackfin-IDA-Pro-Plugin ? 12.46.53 Quit robertd1 (Client Quit) 12.47.19 Quit michaelni (Quit: Leaving) 12.47.46 # wodz: currently I get around ok with objdump-disassembly + annotations/analysis with perl scripts 12.47.58 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 12.48.09 # I'd rather look at teaching radare2 about blackfin than trying out IDA 12.48.36 # dys: maybe you can reuse some of the code 12.49.25 # wodz: good point. It's GPL-Licensed… didn't expect that from the IDA world 12.49.56 # dys: It is 3rd party module, not related to hexrays 12.50.49 # * dys needs to cycle into work again for a couple hours 12.51.11 Join PurlingNayuki1 [0] (~Thunderbi@113.89.205.11) 12.53.54 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12.53.55 Nick PurlingNayuki1 is now known as PurlingNayuki (~Thunderbi@113.89.205.11) 12.59.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.09 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@186-90-12-124.genericrev.cantv.net) 13.28.10 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 13.28.10 Quit paulk-blaze (Quit: Leaving) 13.32.34 # pamaury: this is the lsusb output on my Classic running OF: http://pastebin.com/5dH0Yq7Z , there are 2 configurations, a 'pcm' endpoint in the second configuration, no idea about the audio control descriptors, when the second configuration is selected (echo "2" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-5.3/bConfigurationValue) the PCM endpoint is detected! http://pastebin.com/B2ypAbmL 13.33.28 # pamaury: the "cannot get freq at ep 0x81" errors on dmesg could be related to the existing iAP commands to set sample rate (?), the iPod is detected in audacity as a recording input, but I cannot play music because the iPod have no iTunes music installed, probably it will play only silence because to activate the "USB audio output" on iPod we must authenticate first 13.33.48 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13.34.00 # pamaury: i have never seen the USB specs in detail, just a doubt: the iPod as USB device and the accessory or a computer as USB host, the latter sees the iPod as a recording input, isn't this the standard? 13.40.37 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.41.28 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 13.44.09 Nick SovietShaman_ is now known as CommunistWitchDr (quasselcor@97-87-177-85.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 13.44.51 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 13.49.50 # prof_wolfff: Any tests I can perform to pinpoint problems with my n2g? 13.52.53 # wodz: TheSeven pointed that it could be something related to incorrect flasth size detection, does your nano2g have really 4GB? 13.56.21 # wodz: sorry, it seems that he is refering to FTL size, not flash size 14.00.13 # wodz: really i have no much idea about nano2g, never seen these errors on my nano, maybe you can try to format it using Apple disk mode, or maybe zeroing it in a first place (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX) using apple disk mode and then reformat it 14.01.52 # prof_wolfff: Well errors were with freshly formated device. 14.09.07 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.09.18 # wodz: quoting TheSeven "but if it is detected as a wrong flash size, it's probably best to completely wipe the nand and let apple's code (e.g. diskmode image) recreate the FTL structures", i think he means to erase all flash and boot on apple diskmode 14.09.45 # prof_wolfff: Thats what I did exactly 14.09.52 # oh! 14.10.24 # prof_wolfff: I wiped flash and forced apple code to recreate ftl 14.20.50 # wodz: i don't known what could be the problem then, TheSeven pointed me to some nice info about flash on freemyipod web, i will try to look at the code an put some debug traces so we can get more info 14.24.24 # prof_wolfff: thanks, no hurry as I'll be mostly offline next week 14.29.08 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 14.36.06 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 14.37.33 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14.38.05 # wodz: how many errors do you get reading the whole flash using RB (dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null bs=2048 conv=sync,noerror, could you post the dmesg log if there are not much errors 14.39.32 # prof_wolfff: with regular rb or this patched with 2GB boundary? 14.40.26 # best to use regular rb so we can see if there are errors above 2GB boundary 14.42.09 # prof_wolfff: I'll try to do that but I am busy right now at work 14.43.24 # wodz: no hurry, i am also a bit busy :) in addition probably it would take a big time to read the whole flash using 2048 block size 14.59.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.40 Part robertd1 15.13.09 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.20.51 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 15.25.34 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.51.05 # Is there anyway to pull in the content of a define for the .tex files of the manual? 15.51.21 Quit wodz (Quit: Ex-Chat) 15.52.25 # eg. I have BOOT_REDIR "rockbox_main.clip+" I would like to pull that into the manual or do I need to define it for every target within the platform files? 16.21.14 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 16.22.15 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@193.85.203.185) 16.59.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.11.30 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.12.47 Quit JanC (Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 17.12.47 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.17.21 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 17.20.05 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 17.21.10 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 17.53.39 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18.08.30 Part elensil 18.13.32 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-74-169-198.dynamic.chello.pl) 18.14.15 # got Agptek ROCKER today 18.14.34 # wodz: I'm quite disappointed 18.14.46 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 18.14.47 # The firmware/UI is terrible 18.15.04 # It looks like all those Chinese things 18.16.54 # I don't own any Fiio but it's supposed to be similar. To me it just looks like no-name player 18.25.01 # well, quality it is above average cheap chinese daps 18.26.20 # The body is nice. But that screen... terrible viewing angles 18.26.51 # I don't expect black to get blue or grey when moving it 5° up or down 18.27.00 # its not photo frame 18.27.22 # That's not a reason 18.27.36 # I'm sure a decent 1,8" screen doesn't cost that much 18.28.17 # I'm even sure you could find a decent 176x220 one instead of this crappy 128x160 one 18.28.42 # We're in 2017 18.28.53 # I agree that screen is poor quality but I don't have high expectations from daps screen really 18.29.58 # I'm also very suspicious about the Gapless setting 18.30.11 # when there is such a setting, that usually means poor implementation 18.31.39 # lebellium: they could have done worse 18.31.48 # * dys looks at the teac's 128 x 64 screen in pity 18.32.58 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@149-160-130-179.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu) 18.33.23 # well it depends, the 128x64 Clip+ screen is much better than the AGPTek Rocker 18.42.04 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 18.48.19 # how does it compare to the c200's screen? 18.50.59 # well, C200 has the worst color screen in my 100 pieces collection. I'm not sure any player can beat it 18.51.08 # but it was released some time ago now 18.55.14 # The Rocker doesn't have this refresh rate issue 18.55.27 # which makes the C200 dangerous for your eyes :P 18.58.02 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 18.59.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.00.57 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001:18e8:2:28b6:243b:c467:8ac1:b635) 19.21.25 Join furrywolf [0] (~randyg@mde0536d0.tmodns.net) 19.21.36 Quit furrywolf (Quit: changing config) 19.23.30 Join furrywolf [0] (~randyg@mde0536d0.tmodns.net) 19.55.28 # heh, I was just looking at the amazon page for the Rocker and they pasted the screen on all the product pics, when you get a chance could you post a pic of the real screen? 19.55.46 # sure 19.56.21 # the pic attached to the wiki page can give you a preview 19.57.22 # ahh ok 20.05.26 # Bilgus: 20.05.28 # https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7z2DypmySvnek5FLXFRTndDdjQ/view?usp=sharing 20.05.31 # https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7z2DypmySvnNjVac29wTnZ5NEE/view?usp=sharing 20.05.32 # looks kinda like viewing a screen through my bluejeans 20.05.32 # https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7z2DypmySvnTFV2Wm1EWTEtZXM/view?usp=sharing 20.05.34 # https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7z2DypmySvnM000UjBtNGZCVzA/view?usp=sharing 20.05.36 # https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7z2DypmySvncEx5Q0owTHJRVVU/view?usp=sharing 20.07.17 # it doesn't look that bad 20.08.10 # does it actually have a metal case as well? 20.08.37 # and more important how is the sound + batt life? 20.09.06 # yes, metal case, I was surprised about how heavy it feels 20.09.27 # I see it has a screen protector on there as well glass or plastic screen under that? 20.09.31 # hardware doesn't feel as cheap as the software 20.10.14 # plastic I would say. When I press on it, it's soft 20.10.26 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 20.11.02 # ah that kinda sucks not a deal breaker though, I'd be buying it for the hardware, I buy rockbox for the software :p 20.11.23 # Sound is good (tested with DT990 and some cheap IEM) but I'm not an Audiophile 20.11.30 # me either 20.11.38 # I'll try to measure battery life this night 20.11.44 # I don't expect more than 10-15jrs 20.11.46 # hrs* 20.11.49 # as long as it doesn't go snap crackle pop I'm generally good 20.12.03 # 10 -15 hrs is just prefect imo 20.12.20 # it has quite power with high gain setting 20.12.44 # For sure it's not as powerful as an external amp but quite good 20.13.29 # do the buttons seem pretty solid and does it have a hold switch? 20.15.54 # Buttons seem to be solid but they are quite noisy like on Clip+. No hold switch. When you press power, displays turns off as well as buttons excep the volume ones 20.16.50 Join Dabless [0] (4650a168@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.80.161.104) 20.17.05 # huh ntb then by noisy do you mean like there is a micro switch under there or those metal bubble ones or can't tell? 20.17.48 # Hi ! RockBox forum is down and im looking for some help : it's written on my ipod : No partition found. I formated the partition in Fat32 but it did not change anything 20.18.37 # probabl install isn't done you need .rockbox/rockbox.fw 20.19.46 # I was using it for the past month 20.19.49 # install was allright 20.19.52 # Bilgus: can't tell 20.20.32 # hmm thanks lebellium 20.22.04 # Bilgus: volume buttons are very steady, which is not the case of the power button. They look exactly the same though. 20.24.39 # Dabless: does the fact that you formatted the partition mean it was not FAT32 before? 20.24.47 # It was 20.25.10 # but when I was plugging it in in windows it was telling me "the disk need to be formated" 20.25.17 # I wanted to add song so I formated 20.25.34 # in ntfs, it did that, then I reformated in fat32 20.25.37 # and it's the same 20.28.59 # so was the device working prior to formatting it? 20.30.01 # before the first windows format, yes 20.30.14 # A lot of song was corrupted but it was working 20.31.27 Quit puckipedia (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.32.34 # hmm drive probably going bad then you'll have to wait for an Ipod guy to come along, you can search the froum with google and use ^cached button to right of forum link if you are impatient 20.33.06 Join puckipedia [0] (puck@puckipedia.com) 20.34.24 # maybe start looking through the SSD mods while you are at it IMO thats a nice upgrade 20.40.26 # It with sd cards 20.40.36 # quad flash thing 20.41.52 # huh then pull them and do block tests 20.44.02 # flash does wear out only so many cycles before it dies 20.47.37 # does it enumerate as one big disk or all four? 20.48.28 # either way I think i'd keep track of which went where and swap them around 20.49.52 # one big 20.52.19 # Thing is, I don,t want to break it open 20.52.27 # you think the disk is the matter ^ 20.55.44 # corrupted songs, windows wanting to format it is the card or the adapter i'd say 20.56.05 # how old is the mod? 20.58.35 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~root@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 21.00.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.01.21 # I imagine you can do your badblock tests with it just how it is but I'm not sure how you could figure out which flash chip is bad 21.01.50 # I guess it would give you an indication of weather or not you needed to break it open 21.03.12 # maybe you could take and calculate the number of blocks in your flashcards based on sizes and assuming the cards are mapped contiguous you could figure out which bank? 21.05.08 # happy debugging, I'll bbl 21.19.01 Quit WakiMiko (Remote host closed the connection) 21.19.22 # the mod is like a month old 21.19.32 Join WakiMiko [0] (~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko) 21.20.53 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001:18e8:2:28b6:705e:b38f:968d:6748) 21.23.30 Quit WakiMiko (Client Quit) 21.24.26 Join WakiMiko [0] (~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko) 21.25.38 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 21.26.22 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001:18e8:2:28b6:9c0a:4bf5:acae:c9ca) 21.45.03 Quit saratoga (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.01.23 Quit Dabless (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.06.37 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.18.37 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 22.21.10 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 22.31.02 Quit StaticAmbience (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 22.31.31 # <__builtin> jhMikeS (logs): can you give some more details about puzzles? 22.31.59 # <__builtin> ohh never mind 22.32.05 # <__builtin> crap 22.35.56 # Is it just me, or is the entire Rockbox wiki (as well as some other parts of the website) on 403 lockdown? 22.37.17 # the wiki is fine for me themes site too have a specifuic link? 22.37.40 # <__builtin> should be a quick fix 22.38.39 # Bilgus: A specific link? does it, as does any other link I try beginning with . 22.39.11 # works fine 22.39.47 # Hmm. Strange. It's been doing that today and yesterday for me. 22.40.12 # clear your cache 22.41.55 # <__builtin> works for me too 22.42.07 # Bilgus: Cache cleared, page reloaded, still returns a 403 error. 22.42.15 # <__builtin> hum 22.42.52 # Ah, I found the trouble. It's stupidly performing User-Agent header sniffing. 22.43.15 # Setting a fake User-Agent header works around the bug. 22.43.20 # <__builtin> what was it set to? 22.44.37 # Setting it to "W3C standards are important. Stop fucking obsessing over user-agent already." makes it work. If you mean before that, it wasn't set. 22.47.28 # <__builtin> what the heck is this build system doing? 22.55.52 # Hmm. It looks like Rockbox doesn't support ext4, according to the wiki. FAT only. 22.56.28 # Oh, well. I'll keep trying to debug my current player then instead of getting a Rockbox. 22.58.02 # Yst: https://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=d052f13 pamaury recently did that but I assume it's only for NWZ 22.58.42 # Yst: most of the pain goes away for me when using fuse-posixovl on the mounted fat 22.58.58 # Yst: But I concur, there should be ext2 support at least 22.59.14 # * dys dreams of having a git-annex repo on the card 23.00.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.01.39 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.04.02 # <__builtin> foo|sh, trying to rewrite the puzzles makefile with a pattern rule will probably make it more complicated than before :( 23.05.55 # dys: I need decent character support and case sensitivity. Does the lack of those go away with fuse-posixovl? 23.06.12 # FAT is also prone to breaking, but I guess that that's not a deal breaker. 23.06.53 # is a 404 page. 23.07.34 # Yst: utf-8 mostly works on FAT. The characters that break are things explicitly forbidden by the spec, i.e. the colon character 23.08.09 # dys: One common character that I use is a question mark, but that's forbidden in FAT. 23.08.14 # since using fuse-posixovl, I now have %(3A) instead of a colon on filenames instead of these tracks missing completely 23.08.16 # I use colons too. 23.08.39 # Okay, that could work. 23.09.00 # I just use rsync on the card mounted via fuse-posixovl and can be sure now that no files went missing 23.09.17 # <__builtin> foo|sh: hmm, never mind 23.09.25 # Does basic drag-and-drop work too? 23.09.28 # <__builtin> it's actually a relatively easy fix :) 23.09.48 # I think a patch to make rockbox interpret these posix-overlay characters is easier to get upstream than ext2 support 23.10.14 # Yst: Yes, you could any gui tool on the posixovl-mount and it will work 23.10.21 # s/any/use any/ 23.10.30 # Well, the former's not on the "won't do" list, so it sounds like it'd be easier to get upstream. 23.11.16 # dys: Alright, thanks! I'll keep Rockbox in my list of options then. I'm still not fully decided as to what to do. 23.11.35 # I hate to give up on my current solution, my mobile, but it's always causing me problems. 23.12.10 # Yst: I'd recommend taking a closer look. I used an Iriver H120 with rockbox on it between 2006-2014 23.12.43 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision f483a07, 255 builds, 18 clients. 23.12.48 # then I tried listening to music on a smartphone like normal people do, but the free software players available are all a step down from rockbox 23.13.32 # I modded my H120 yesterday to take a 128GB sd card instead of the internal 20GB harddisk and using it again now 23.14.14 # I think the "written by users" really shines with rockbox 23.14.39 # dys: The mobile also allows me to take notes though, receive/send email, set an alarm clock, et cetera. Music quality will be higher, but utility will be lower. 23.15.04 # Rockbox does have more users to shape it than Replicant .... 23.15.12 # That would make for higher quality. 23.16.14 # I guess I have to decide if giving up the hassle is worth giving up things such as the camera. 23.17.56 # well, I still carry a phone besides the iriver H120, but I'm no longer getting annoyed by lack of gapless playback, inefficient track selection methods or bugs 23.18.56 # If I go with a Rockbox, it will be to escape my mobile, but supplement it. 23.19.12 # THis thing drives me nuts often times. 23.19.55 # I see. There are plugins that'll let you take notes, but I'm afraid the input methods are quite bad compared to the phone. 23.20.12 # <__builtin> if you know morse code it's not that bad ;) 23.20.16 # Taking voice recordings would work really well though with hardware that has a mic :-) 23.20.31 # __builtin: I actually learned morse code on the iriver :-) 23.20.46 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 484 seconds. 23.20.47 # Build Server message: 3Revision f483a07 result: All green 23.20.54 # <__builtin> \o/ 23.21.08 # Voice recordings won't do what I need unless transcribed. I doubt that any Rockbox-supported harware has a camera, either. 23.21.45 # <__builtin> I *think* one of the nascent ipod nanos has one 23.21.47 # Your name looks so familiar, __builtin. Do you mind my asking what language that is? 23.22.00 # C 23.22.13 # <__builtin> it's a prefix in C for intrinsic functions 23.22.28 # C. Huh. I don't know C, I wonder why it looks so familiar then. 23.22.50 # <__builtin> Yst: I think it's the nano4g that has the camera 23.23.30 # Alright, I'll look into the nano4g. Thank you! 23.23.52 # <__builtin> don't quote me on that though, I'm not sure 23.25.00 # <__builtin> hmm, it's the nano *5G* actually 23.25.21 # * Yst changes search query 23.25.44 # <__builtin> no rockbox support IIUC 23.25.56 # Oh, darn. 23.26.04 # * Yst closes tab 23.43.57 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 23.46.25 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131]) 23.57.03 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 23.58.05 # <__builtin> jhMikeS: my latest commit should have fixed the issue with the .elf and .map files