--- Log for 14.03.117 Server: adams.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 8 days ago 00.04.11 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.04.56 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.23.51 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.25.59 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.27.14 Join _mt_ [0] (~MT@2601:482:4402:7b60:69eb:50b5:4525:1935) 00.29.34 Quit _mt_ (Remote host closed the connection) 00.30.00 Join _mt_ [0] (~MT@2601:482:4402:7b60:69eb:50b5:4525:1935) 00.32.50 Quit paulk-collins (Quit: Leaving) 00.35.36 Quit skapazzo (Quit: leaving) 00.41.00 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 00.43.13 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 00.45.51 Quit ender (Quit: #define sizeof(x) ((rand() % 100 == 42) ? sizeof(x)-1 : sizeof(x))) 00.53.41 Quit Moarc (Quit: i znowu NADMUCHAŁ BALONA) 00.54.14 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 00.55.13 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 00.57.06 Join Moarc [0] 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(~root@186-90-12-124.genericrev.cantv.net) 12.10.12 Quit tomflint (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 12.15.58 Join Moarc [0] (~chujko@a105.net128.okay.pl) 12.16.11 Join tomflint [0] (~tomflint@unaffiliated/tomflint) 12.29.01 # can the rockbox UI have transparency? 12.29.17 # or would that require too much work to implement? 12.30.25 # duo8: There is support. Consult documentation or [Saint] 12.31.01 # huh, wonder why no theme used it on the zip 12.31.05 # will check 12.34.43 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 12.57.45 Quit PurlingNayuki (Quit: PurlingNayuki) 12.59.56 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:f1e7:a8d7:3949:84f8) 13.07.42 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 13.10.37 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:c00e:46c3:d05d:4205) 13.16.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.19.48 Quit _mt_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13.21.14 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 13.29.20 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:24cf:b62c:29e0:4174) 14.31.47 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.33.13 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 14.38.04 Join aude_ [0] (d42184f2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.33.132.242) 14.39.20 # I'm running RockboxUtility on Linux. the software does not have permissions to mount or even detect devices. is there any Linux group my user should be a part of? 14.40.19 # (it listed the drives when running the software as root. I don't want to run X applications as root though) 14.42.24 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 14.44.06 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 14.47.05 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 14.47.17 # <[Saint]> duo8: These days, the "right" way to do transparency isn't via pissing around with "true magenta", that way would be considered deprecated - even if it is still valid. 14.47.39 # <[Saint]> duo8: The "right" way to do it now is via a 24 bit bitmap alpha channel. 14.48.00 # <[Saint]> - sorry about the late reply, but better late than never. 14.48.15 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14.49.26 # <[Saint]> aude_: if you don't trust our installer...why on earth do you trust our DAP software? 14.50.57 # yeah i get that 14.51.11 # why was magenta a thing though? 14.51.48 # (and what does that have to do with transparency in rb themes?) 14.51.54 # <[Saint]> duo8: because 'back in the day' we didn't have the ability to render bitmaps with an alpha channel, and no one in their right mind would ever use true magenta for anything. 14.52.24 # it looks like pink, surely there was an use 14.53.00 # <[Saint]> Well, if you wanted to use hot pink/magenta, all you'd need to do is make it one byte different and the theme engine would leave it alone. 14.53.09 # <[Saint]> And that would be imperceptible to the naked eye. 14.53.53 # <[Saint]> It could be any colour, really, the theme engine just knows to render that specific hex code as transparency. 14.54.06 # so the theme engine uses magenta? 14.54.08 # <[Saint]> But it made sense to use a toxic colour no one sane would ever use for anything. 14.54.43 # <[Saint]> Yes. True magenta is rendered as transparency. That was the original, now deprecated way of doing it. 14.54.59 # <[Saint]> Now we can render bitmap alpha channels and no longer need it. 14.55.18 # so either works? 14.55.23 # <[Saint]> Yes. 14.55.38 # <[Saint]> But you really want to be using bitmap alpha channels. 14.57.03 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 15.00.14 Part robertd1 15.01.24 # <[Saint]> aude_: the simple way, given that a DAP doesn't require any security per se, would be to create an fstab entry for it and append 'user' as a mount parameter. 15.01.39 # <[Saint]> Then unpriveledged users can mount and modify it. 15.02.24 # <[Saint]> But really I defer to my original point regarding trust of our installer. 15.02.58 # <[Saint]> Or if you distrust the installer and already have the bootloader installed on the device, there's no real need to use it whatsoever. In fact it's easier not to. 15.04.01 # <[Saint]> Just download the build from http://build.rockbox.org/ and extract it to the device. That's all the installer is doing. 15.04.04 # <[Saint]> Same goes for themes. 15.04.32 # yeah, I understand. I ran the RockboxUtility as root to install the bootloader, and will do the rest by mounting the FAT fs as an user 15.04.33 # don't most distros have a udisk setup for this though? 15.04.40 # not Arch Linux 15.04.54 # (so it's my problem. I merely ask if you have suggestions) 15.04.59 # usually when i plug something in it mounts automatically and i can access it 15.05.08 # i'm on Arch too 15.05.21 # okay. I don't use udisks2 15.05.53 # you can try installing the BL manually 15.05.56 # <[Saint]> I always wonder what posseses people to use a minimally configured distribution without basic understanding of subsystems and management. 15.06.06 # regarding the trust, it's more of a principle than a specific case. I just don't run stuff as root. and even less so X software 15.06.52 # [Saint]: I use a minimal distro exactly because I don't have an understanding of basic subsystems and management yet. it's a good way to learn 15.07.56 # <[Saint]> Sliding offtopic, but Arch is really not novice friendly and by its very nature of minimal configuration in the hands of the inexperienced is often wildly insecure. 15.08.12 # <[Saint]> You can learn these things in a fully fledged distribution just as well. 15.08.23 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@106.121.68.183) 15.08.56 # in my experience, no. I'm too lazy to set up eg. full disk encryption from scratch in Ubuntu. or configure my boot loader or boot image. but in Arch I have to. no more lazy me 15.09.46 # <[Saint]> No one sane uses FDE unless it's hardware provisioned. 15.09.59 # lol i do 15.10.43 # * [Saint] defers to the questionable sanity aspect of the statement. :p 15.11.22 # <[Saint]> I mean, my systems are encrypted as well...but only the bits the actually matter. 15.11.55 # <[Saint]> most of / doesn't require it at all and software crypto FDE isn't worth the performance hit. 15.12.36 # okay, good to know, I think we disagree a bit on encryption and that's fine 15.12.45 # hmm, don't see any hit 15.13.01 # on topic, I am confused as to why the auto mounter makes any difference 15.13.04 # but i have FDE to prevent possible rootkits 15.13.33 # aude_ it mounts as your user 15.13.38 # something like that iirc 15.13.52 # RockboxUtility does not detect my player even when I mounted it before running RP 15.14.02 # ooh. maybe I need to mount it as my user. lemme check 15.14.20 # <[Saint]> ...but it doesn't, though. In a subset of circumstances it can potentially mitigate it, but it's hardly preventative. 15.14.39 # eh it fits my threat model 15.14.49 # <[Saint]> Easier to just go after you when you're logged in with your keyring loaded. 15.15.00 # HOLD POWER BUTTON 15.15.13 # * wodz points to topic 15.16.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.17.17 # aude_ it does work for me when i tried it, but it's kinda buggy so i never touched rbutil again 15.18.59 # well that worked like a charm, thanks! 15.20.23 # for the record: at Linux, you need write permissions to the Rockbox drive for RockboxUtility to detect your device filesystem 15.20.59 # for example `mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8 /dev/sdb /mnt` 15.21.28 # as a thanks, have this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QVF5hzBEL.jpg 15.22.20 # <[Saint]> ...you need to be able to access the drive for the installer to work...who knew? 15.22.26 # <[Saint]> 15.25.10 # apparently noone before just now 15.25.13 Quit aude_ (Quit: Page closed) 15.29.25 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 15.31.11 Quit scorche` (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.40.26 # people'd expect it to be able to detect regardless i guess 15.40.42 # nice rocks 15.43.24 # <[Saint]> well, if you wanted raw access to an unmounted volume then you /would/ need to be a priveledged user. 15.54.03 Quit scorche (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.54.08 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.00.18 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 16.05.42 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.30.58 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16.41.07 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@106.121.13.25) 16.41.24 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@24.152.198.8.res-cmts.eph2.ptd.net) 16.55.17 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 17.03.09 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 17.11.15 Join _mt_ [0] (~MT@2601:482:4402:7b60:69eb:50b5:4525:1935) 17.16.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.27.35 Quit _mt_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.40.44 Quit petur (Quit: Connection reset by beer) 17.50.22 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 18.05.54 Part [Saint] ("Part.") 18.13.52 Quit elensil (Quit: Leaving.) 18.35.36 Join [Saint] [0] (~sinner@rockbox/staff/saint) 18.41.05 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.16.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.49.42 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-177-91.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 20.18.38 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.20.44 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.22.02 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.31.40 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@x4d09913b.dyn.telefonica.de) 20.44.26 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@LFbn-1-11729-221.w2-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.45.25 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.08.55 Join johnb2 [0] (~johnb2@p5B296653.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.15.27 Quit skapazzo (Read error: No route to host) 21.16.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.17.59 Quit johnb2 (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 21.18.58 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 21.21.38 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~root@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 21.23.59 Quit skapazzo (Read error: No route to host) 21.28.38 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 22.19.39 Quit markun (Remote host closed the connection) 22.34.37 Join MrZeus1 [0] (~MrZeus@2a02:c7f:7062:cb00:881a:5bb9:92a5:e0a2) 22.44.25 Quit amayer_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.51.26 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.56.01 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.56.01 Nick JanC is now known as Guest57594 (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.56.01 Quit Guest57594 (Killed (cherryh.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 22.56.01 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.56.27 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.0/20170302120751]) 23.04.59 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 23.10.33 Quit skapazzo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.15.14 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1) 23.16.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.29 # <__builtin> argh, the `sort' plugin really seems to do more harm than good 23.17.54 # * __builtin just managed to sort a .lua file 23.26.28 Join _mt_ [0] (~MT@129.59.122.17) 23.36.49 Quit paulk-collins_ (Quit: Leaving) 23.38.44 Quit skapazzo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.40.14 Quit _mt_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.42.30 # <__builtin> hmm, is gerrit down for anyone else? 23.42.50 # <__builtin> oh, it's my user agent... 23.43.29 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 23.47.05 Join foo|sh [0] (~starchase@162-204-199-234.lightspeed.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) 23.48.46 Quit foolsh (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.49.05 Join skapazzo [0] (~skapazzo@151.9.205.1)