--- Log for 14.06.117 Server: karatkievich.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 12 hours ago 00.03.14 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.15.31 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.52.16 Quit ender` (Quit: I’ve had some experience with the hangover phenomenon. This day might not be filled with sunshine and joy. I started it with the traditional vow never to do anything as stupid again until the next time. — Glen Cook: Wicked Bronze Ambition) 01.35.07 Join ulmutul [0] (~chatzilla@dslb-084-063-088-108.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 01.41.15 # CH23, Bilgus: probably the battery is connected to the ADC via a voltage divider. Maybe something broke there. 01.42.00 # And some SOCs have a separate input for a voltage reference for the ADC. 01.42.27 # wish i knew what the parts on the board are for 01.42.52 # Do we have a service manual for the clips? 01.44.06 # it's basically a 'no servicable parts inside' device 01.45.14 # https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/SansaClip/sansa_clipplus_4.jpg 01.45.22 # here's a pic of the inside 01.47.03 # https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/SansaClip/sansa_clipplus_3.jpg 01.47.08 # front inside as well 01.50.04 # Hm, there are only a few resistors. But without a schematic you're pretty much lost :/ 01.50.05 # You can't follow the PCB tracks on this multi layer things. 01.52.54 # do we know the pinout for the SOC? 01.54.48 # Maybe measure/resolder the three components directly at the "+" conection of the battery (on the back/button side of the board, beneath the "TEMPO" print). This would be my best (and only) guess. 01.56.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.57.10 # I /think/ we have a datasheet of the SOC. But you can't reach the pins anyway. 01.59.01 # gtg now, bed time o/ 01.59.13 Quit ulmutul (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 53.0.3/20170518000419]) 02.04.26 # with the EQ, in the documentation it says to use as few bands as possible. Is there a way to remove bands or do I just keep the gain at +/- 0? 02.15.06 # i believe keeping the gain at 0 is the same as not using that band tomflint 02.15.54 # ok cool, thanks CH23! 02.16.35 # A couple days ago I asked about issues with the first few seconds of a track skipping when using OPUS contained in oga on a Clip Zip. Could someone try to reproduce this, please? 02.17.58 # I think it possibly has something to do with the fact that the files were 44.1khz flac and opus mandates that it is resampled to 48khz 02.18.11 # But the files do play fine elsewhere 02.23.46 # sadly i don't have any of that filetype 02.24.01 # do you have a clip zip? I can provide a file for you. 02.24.40 # clip plus, but both run on the same SOC if i am correct, right? 02.25.08 # If you have any 44.1khz 2ch flac, `ffmpeg -i /path/to/file.flac -y -acodec libopus -b:a 327680 -vbr on -compression_level 10 -frame_duration 40 -packet_loss 0 -application audio output.oga` will create one. 02.25.39 # CH23: not sure but you're probably correct 02.26.10 # i'll do that and try 02.26.30 # Thanks, I really appreciate it. 02.26.37 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 02.27.13 # When I try to play the file, it skips immediately to like 00:00:02, then 00:00:06, then the rest plays fine without skips. 02.27.29 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.27.54 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 02.39.42 # sielicki: no skipping here 02.40.41 # Are you using the dev builds or the release build? 02.40.45 # this is when playing directly from internal memory, rockbox 3.13 sansaclipplus 02.40.51 # 3.14 02.41.19 # oh this is the dev build 02.41.43 # Same here, let me try some things and get back to you. 02.41.49 # in sound settings, are you on 48khz or 44.1khz? 02.41.55 # i tried both 02.42.27 # hm. Thanks again for testing. I was reading off the SD card, let me see if i see it on internal. 02.45.51 # i've now tried on the latest dev build, default settings, and no skipping 02.50.14 Join smoke_fumus [0] (~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90) 02.50.20 # sielicki: what are your sound settings like? the clip is pretty good with a large EQ (etc) stack, but I wonder if something in there is tripping it up 02.50.26 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 03.04.27 # So after I hit this issue I started messing with so many things, I'm not sure what exactly I've changed. But I can confirm that I don't see skipping anymore. 03.04.50 # After I transcoded I retranscoded it all to mp3 and things were fine. But I also tried some other things. I had embedded album art in the files, those are no longer there, I wonder if that's a part of it. 03.07.07 # For future reference, what's the best way to debug such a problem should I encounter playback issues in the future? 03.09.45 # if you can replicate it in the UISIM, usually that is much easier to debug 03.13.26 # I'll look into that. 03.14.09 # thanks. 03.14.20 # I read about an issue with album art in some OPUS files 03.15.25 # sielicki: https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12842 is what I saw 03.19.04 # i don't seem to be able to commit still 03.19.17 # tomflint: When transcoding, I made my album art files especially small because they're being displayed on the tiny display, so it would make sense that mine would still play fine like he's saying 03.19.19 # gerrit won't recognize my old account 03.19.28 # well, fine with a skip 03.19.33 # do i have to do something special? 03.21.38 # yeah weirdly when i log in to gerrit, i'm a new user with no commits and no user name 03.21.57 # i can still see my old users commits but i can't access that account anymore 03.43.35 Join cindy [0] (457e3a41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.126.58.65) 03.56.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.15.36 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04.16.16 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 04.17.52 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 04.35.19 Quit Jinx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.02.54 Quit cindy (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.50.09 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 05.56.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.09.35 # Hi guys 06.12.24 # I might be stupid, but I don't find the rockbox support formats https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome 06.13.05 # *supported 06.14.46 # flac and opus supported 06.14.51 # go go! 06.16.51 # Aldem: DocsIndex -> SoundCodecs 06.17.20 # Thank you kind sir 06.28.50 Quit beveradb (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.29.05 Join beveradb [0] (~beveradb@irc.beveridge.uk) 06.30.57 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.32.09 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@dslb-084-056-051-141.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 06.44.07 # Ok, so I've dowloaded a couple of themes for my Sansa e200v1, and I have the rockbox utility 06.44.14 # How do I install my themes ? 06.49.54 # unzip them to the .rockbox directory on device 06.50.19 # don't need the utility 06.50.38 # Ah, thank you 06.50.45 # I was reading the 'Downloading themes 06.50.45 # All themes on this website can be downloaded and installed via the integrated themes browser in Rockbox Utility.' 06.50.58 # I though rb utility had a way to do that auto. 06.50.59 # Thanks 06.51.23 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 06.51.25 # maybe? I just unzip em to the .rockbox folder 06.51.29 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 07.01.04 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 07.09.54 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@61.148.244.80) 07.50.26 Join dys [0] (~dys@ip-109-44-3-111.web.vodafone.de) 07.56.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.14.22 Quit deevious (Quit: deevious) 08.30.27 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.02.15 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.44.30 Quit athidhep (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09.45.28 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@535580F9.cm-6-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 09.51.07 Join deevious [0] (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 09.51.22 Quit elensil (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 09.55.23 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.56.16 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 09.56.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.59.21 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-24-93.net.upcbroadband.cz) 10.00.20 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 10.00.36 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 10.02.32 Quit deevious (Quit: deevious) 10.05.05 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1900:7800:a08d:20fa:a21c:9c33) 10.05.20 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 10.37.07 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 10.37.17 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 10.41.33 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@2001:da8:215:4ff:d9af:baaf:f0e:e219) 10.42.41 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 10.51.04 Quit Ruhan (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 10.59.04 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.59.23 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.29.45 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.42.30 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 11.43.50 # lebellium (logs): I received your package 11.56.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.57.45 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:e143:617a:c406:d04f) 12.02.39 Join ghs39ghsggf [0] (~ghs39ghsg@186.223.250.179) 12.02.39 Part ghs39ghsggf 12.27.01 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 12.33.26 Quit athidhep (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.38.57 Quit elensil (Remote host closed the connection) 12.41.15 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1900:7800:e8a2:1d30:83fd:443e) 12.42.21 # I will go now but not before i link to the documentation i found on the AS3525 SOC as used in the clip plus and others: http://www.keil.com/dd/docs/datashts/ams/as3525_ds.pdf 12.45.12 Quit CH23 (Quit: Page closed) 12.48.28 # that seems like the same datasheet already on the wiki. Also the amsv2 (like clip+) use the as353x, a modified version for which we have no datasheet 12.56.56 Quit elensil (Quit: Leaving.) 12.57.10 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@535580F9.cm-6-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 13.26.53 Quit smoke_fumus (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 13.40.19 Join go2m [0] (~goom@cpe-173-174-162-201.satx.res.rr.com) 13.43.29 Quit goom (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.56.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.38.39 Part robertd1 14.40.05 Join Ruhan [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpvydjhdsznuwgfw) 15.12.33 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15.15.38 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.18.49 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 15.33.51 Join deevious [0] (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 15.54.18 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 15.56.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.11.29 Join CH23 [0] (3e48c052@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.72.192.82) 16.12.06 # pamaury: i must have missed it on the rockbox site, sorry :) 16.18.13 Join pamaury_ [0] (~quassel@wks-50-63.mpi-sws.org) 16.19.10 # I tried the auto lock function, but it does not seem to work. this is on the latest git release. this is assuming it should lock the device when the screen turns off. 16.27.40 # CH23: you'll have to be more precise than that if you want some help: device, what you do, which settings you set, what happens and what you expect 16.31.15 # sorry about that. Device: Sansa Clip Plus. action: go to Settings > general > system > advanced key lock > settings > autolock on, then enable. then go to wps, play music, when screen turns off it does not lock. 16.31.43 # I found the solution just now, it is somewhat awkwardly worded in the manual: Note: This is a pre-requisite for selectivebacklight section 8.4 to work also during key lock. 16.31.46 # also I think you want to ask Bilgus 16.32.05 # after turning on selective backlight, it does work 16.36.28 Quit CH23 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.37.17 # Hm, I don't know if this the expected behavior or not, seems strange to have to enable selective backlight to make autolock work 16.58.51 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 17.07.40 Quit p3tur (Quit: Connection reset by beer) 17.31.51 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 17.38.25 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 365a005, 255 builds, 16 clients. 17.45.07 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 17.48.04 Part dys ("Killed buffer") 17.48.30 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 605 seconds. 17.48.31 # Build Server message: 3Revision 365a005 result: 0 errors 6 warnings 17.48.43 Join dys [0] (~dys@ip-109-44-3-111.web.vodafone.de) 17.54.33 Quit pamaury_ (Remote host closed the connection) 17.56.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.01.06 Part elensil 18.02.19 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.07.54 Join CH23 [0] (503cdd5c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.60.221.92) 18.11.29 Quit aevin (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 18.18.26 Join aevin [0] (eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) 18.36.45 Join dvorak [0] (~Moshe@ool-18e4fcdc.dyn.optonline.net) 18.41.27 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.43.58 Quit dvorak (Quit: Leaving) 18.44.42 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~Moshe@ool-18e4fcdc.dyn.optonline.net) 18.46.46 Join dvorak [0] (~Moshe@ool-18e4fcdc.dyn.optonline.net) 18.47.12 Quit mendelmunkis (Client Quit) 18.47.32 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~Moshe@ool-18e4fcdc.dyn.optonline.net) 18.50.05 # pamaury: i agree that it's weird but maybe that is what is meant in the manual; https://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch8.html#x10-1470008.5.6 18.54.40 Quit dvorak (Quit: Leaving) 18.54.44 Quit mendelmunkis (Quit: Leaving) 18.55.12 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~Moshe@ool-18e4fcdc.dyn.optonline.net) 19.00.50 # CH23: I read it the other way around: the advanced key lock must be enabled for selective backlight to work when locked 19.02.44 # that's what i thought at first as well but considering it won't lock without selective backlight being on i'm not sure anymore 19.02.49 # i'll test 19.05.41 # selective backlight works just fine, without advanced key lock 19.08.50 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 19.11.19 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 19.22.43 Join johnb3 [0] (~johnb2@p5B3AFF44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.22.43 # for the auto keylock to work you have to at least once lock and unlock. 19.23.06 # Then after the screen turns black, it locks. 19.23.35 # pamaury is right. 19.25.35 # johnb3: why is that? Also this is documented in the manual 19.26.00 # doesn't seem to work for me though, johnb3 19.27.30 # I just checked the manual and saw that the menu text is missing, i.e. it should be left of the existing descriptions. 19.28.29 # I.e. the last 2 bullet should have "Autolock on"and "Disable notify" on the left. 19.30.04 # Well, that 4 line description is trying to describe this. Apparently it fails :-( It's roughly what I got initially from Bilgus. 19.31.08 # That"pre-requisite" statement is about the "Notify". 19.33.25 Quit mendelmunkis (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.34.50 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~Moshe@ool-18e4fcdc.dyn.optonline.net) 19.36.35 # https://pastebin.com/6NPdxUcg shows the source. 19.37.02 # Unfortunately, latex/manual doesn't compile in my VM. 19.39.05 # CH23 I just tried with my clip+ and it works for me. 19.41.28 # Any better wording is welcome. 19.43.28 # Again for the sequence: lock once, unlock explicitly, with the next screen off, it locks. 19.47.36 # i did exactly that; i get the popup "autolock on", but after screen turnoff, if i press a button (waited a few seconds) it's still not locking when it turns on again 19.47.42 # bbl dinner 19.48.53 # can you upload/paste your config file somewhere? 19.56.13 Quit johnb3 (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 19.56.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.06.02 Quit The_Prospector (Quit: when in doubt, kernel panic) 20.10.37 # johnb3, here you go : https://pastebin.com/LMbwdu7R 20.11.22 Join johnb2 [0] (~johnb2@p5B3AFF44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.13.24 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.19.48 # and here's the output from 'settings dumper' plugin: https://pastebin.com/3TU7ACyb 20.27.26 Quit johnb2 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.41.47 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 20.44.37 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 20.54.17 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 20.57.20 Join splesh_2009 [0] (~splesh_20@13w.me) 21.07.46 Quit splesh_2009 () 21.08.22 Join SPLESH_2015 [0] (b23efcb7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.62.252.183) 21.10.49 # Hello i am interested in helping to port to new Sony devices like A35 21.14.41 # SPLESH_2015: unfortunately the A30 series is out of reach currently, because it uses some different/new crypto and we don't know how to decrypt/encrypt the firmware 21.18.38 # From open source kernel it looks like sony is using MT8590 chip I will soon buy one and i can Join investigation of its encription mechanisms 21.18.57 Quit jhMikeS () 21.19.31 Join johnb2 [0] (~johnb2@p5B3AFF44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.21.15 # Interesting: I just checked manual pdf and there the "menu text" shows properly, i.e. only the html version is flawed. 21.21.29 # *the manual pdf 21.23.46 # SPLESH_2015: yes it uses a different chip, but the problem is that the decryption binary is on the device only (but we can ask the key from the device). Currently I only see two viable approaches: remove/desolver the flash chip and read it, or find an exploit to execute some code 21.25.58 # yes it is sad and chip is of course is BGA 21.27.34 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 21.30.05 # there is also the possibility that they didn't change it much and we can somehow figure out what they changed but I am not super optimistic 21.37.19 # johnb2: did you see the links i posted? 21.37.51 Quit johnb2 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.38.18 # no that is a bug it should be that DISABLE NOTIFICATIONS is required for selective backlight to work during key lock selective backlight shouldn't have anything to do with autolock working so ill look into it 21.45.18 # now that you're here, i have one last question regarding the weird battery stuff i have going on: Will the charging circuit still fully charge the battery, as it expects 3.7v, while it sees 5.1v? 21.47.11 Quit TheLemonMan (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.47.28 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 21.48.03 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-245.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 21.50.50 # i'm building a script to automatically get the latest sourcecode, change the values, build and create zip, add theme, move database, fonts, and config file, then move .rockbox to .rockbox.old, and move the newly build one to the clip plus. 21.55.26 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.56.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.57.26 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.58.58 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 22.08.48 # iirc the charging circuit is independent but I really can't say for certain 22.11.04 Join TheLemon1an [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 22.13.06 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.13.17 # i hope so 22.14.54 Quit TheLemon1an (Client Quit) 22.17.50 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 22.21.36 Quit dys (Remote host closed the connection) 22.21.48 Quit CH23 (Quit: Page closed) 22.26.48 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 22.36.09 Join dys [0] (~dys@ip-109-44-3-111.web.vodafone.de) 23.09.11 # ok I figured out whats up with autolock, since the backlight gets enabled prior to the button code sending the button it is already enabled by the time autolock is checking for the backlight being off 23.20.25 Part SPLESH_2015 23.30.06 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 53.0.3/20170518000419]) 23.33.57 Quit Soap (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.36.11 # fix is up g#1617 23.36.16 # 3Gerrit review #1617 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1617 : 3FIX Autolock not working unless Selective backlight enabled by William Wilgus 23.37.32 # Bilgus: the button/action code looked complicated to me before, but now with your feature I think I essentially gave up understanding what is going on ;) 23.39.02 # well with the separation between apps and firmware and the way the backlight gets called from 20 different places it is pretty complicated thats why it took me like 33 commits to get it perfect lol 23.39.33 # but thats ok I have a pretty good grasp on it so I can explain if needed 23.45.04 Quit mendelmunkis (Quit: Leaving) 23.56.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.58.27 Join CH23 [0] (503cdd5c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.60.221.92)