--- Log for 31.07.117 Server: karatkievich.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 1 day ago 00.02.12 # pamaury: no, I don't have any S7xx, they are too rare and expensive! 00.03.14 # did you manage to do something with the A860? 00.05.49 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.09.44 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 00.14.03 # lebellium: really? I got it for a very reasonable price actually 00.14.11 # no I had no time to hack on rockbox for a month 00.17.26 Join MrZeus1 [0] (~MrZeus@2a02:c7f:7066:fb00:69f9:7836:9d7e:d9cc) 00.20.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.40 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 54.0.1/20170628075643]) 00.56.07 Quit ender` (Quit: I’ve had some experience with the hangover phenomenon. This day might not be filled with sunshine and joy. I started it with the traditional vow never to do anything as stupid again until the next time. — Glen Cook: Wicked Bronze Ambition) 01.09.56 Quit nialv7 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.10.36 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 17e48e8, 255 builds, 15 clients. 01.21.32 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 656 seconds. 01.21.33 # Build Server message: 3Revision 17e48e8 result: 14 errors 15 warnings 01.21.34 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 70b4d1a, 255 builds, 15 clients. 01.24.59 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 01.31.07 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 574 seconds. 01.31.08 # Build Server message: 3Revision 70b4d1a result: 8 errors 15 warnings 01.35.00 Join nialv7 [0] (m7nialmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-bmzavrcxcyfhefjw) 01.50.51 # prof_wolfff: thanks for your advice. I will take a look and see if I can find those models. Unfortunately it's a bit hard to find some of the rarer models 01.51.52 # I'm debating between a rockbox player and a replicant phone 01.55.05 Join freenoodle_ [0] (~jr@p4FC7F55E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 02.02.08 Quit freenoodle_ (Quit: freenoodle_) 02.03.03 # the benefit of the phone is it can have a pdf reader and a phone number. The downside is it's really insecure. I wonder if rockbox players can read pdf files...that would be perfect for my use case 02.07.07 # Seems like a pdf viewer will never come to rockbox: https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2613 , but there may be workarounds (converting pdf to jpg, or uploading txt files) 02.10.48 Quit MrZeus1 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.18.30 Nick tomflint is now known as TomrundFlintsban (~tomflint@unaffiliated/tomflint) 02.18.38 Nick TomrundFlintsban is now known as TomrundFlintbane (~tomflint@unaffiliated/tomflint) 02.20.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.44.45 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 02.46.44 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 02.58.07 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@2602:301:77d0:1cb0::3f) 03.04.17 Join deep-book-gk [0] (~1wm_su@d8116.artnet.gda.pl) 03.06.47 Part deep-book-gk 03.35.20 Quit Strife1989 (Quit: Leaving) 03.50.05 Join Ruhan [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ckqnuajyzejoubmu) 04.20.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.33.14 Nick TomrundFlintbane is now known as tomflint (~tomflint@unaffiliated/tomflint) 04.49.39 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04.50.27 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 04.58.33 Quit idonob_ (Quit: rejiggering) 04.59.01 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@S010600259c3e7d7b.vs.shawcable.net) 05.17.32 Quit Jinx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.29.48 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 05.59.33 Quit Ruhan (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 06.20.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.50.35 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 06.50.42 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.54.24 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 07.00.01 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 07.00.12 Quit jhMikeS (Disconnected by services) 07.00.12 Join _jhMikeS_ [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 07.00.13 Nick _jhMikeS_ is now known as jhMikeS (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 07.00.22 Join asymsucon [0] (5037dc16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.55.220.22) 07.00.36 Quit asymsucon (Client Quit) 07.14.41 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 07.16.21 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 07.32.30 Quit dovber (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 07.36.09 Join dovber [0] (~dovber@2600:8801:3180:de:beee:7bff:fee3:335f) 07.40.47 Join _GK1wmSU [0] (~deep-book@d8116.artnet.gda.pl) 07.42.08 Part _GK1wmSU 07.58.26 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:fcf1:79e6:b9e9:7903) 08.02.24 Quit ZincAlloy (Client Quit) 08.07.51 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.20.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.26.13 Join freenoodle_ [0] (~jr@178.197.239.91) 08.29.46 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.32.48 Quit freenoodle_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 08.42.25 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 08.52.37 Join petur [0] (~petur@80.169.83.226) 08.52.37 Quit petur (Changing host) 08.52.37 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.57.02 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@80.169.83.226) 08.57.02 Quit p3tur (Changing host) 08.57.02 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.58.34 Join petur2 [0] (~petur@80.169.83.226) 08.58.51 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.01.22 Quit p3tur (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 09.03.47 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.04.45 Quit petur2 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.08.49 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.09.57 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.10.54 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-24-93.net.upcbroadband.cz) 09.19.22 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 3e1c8cc, 255 builds, 15 clients. 09.19.56 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 09.20.46 # is it possible to have the charger on the ipod classic take more than 500mA? 09.25.05 # duo8: I don't know the hardware but I suspect not, because the battery probably can't handle more than 300mA or something of that magnitude 09.25.47 # it seems it's "programmed" though a resistor, so it'd require a hardware mod 09.26.15 # I mean, if you go above the battery designed current, you are asking for your device to explode ;) 09.26.24 # i have a 1900 battery and it doesn't seem to be charging, so i thought increasing the current would help 09.27.36 # maybe the battery is dead? 09.27.56 # it's at 3.7V now 09.28.00 # 45% 09.28.42 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 560 seconds. 09.28.43 # Build Server message: 3Revision 3e1c8cc result: 5 errors 6 warnings 09.28.48 # but even after hours plugged it it doesn't seem to charge, did get warmer though 09.30.06 # is it an old battery? 09.32.12 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 09.32.23 # no idea when it's manufactured 09.32.35 # can't find details on it either 09.32.53 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 09.33.00 # I mean that sounds typical of an old battery that has very low capacity because it's old 09.34.13 # i don't think it's that old 09.34.21 # it's definitely not used 09.36.48 # usage is not the main factor for Li-Ion iirc, you basically loose 30% capacity per year 09.37.15 # (depends on how full charge the battery is and also temperature) 09.38.00 # it came at around 3.8V iirc 09.38.51 # duo8: increasing the current if a battery doesn't charge as expected is always a bad idea ;) 09.39.17 # If it starts getting warm and the voltage does not increase, immediately stop charging 09.39.38 # i want a custom hd650 cable but not $80 badly 09.39.47 # just something braided might try making one myself 09.40.10 # oh wait it did increase 09.40.22 # according to rb, 45% -> 51% 09.40.24 # In that case it is dead and should not be used any longer (and probably stored in a fire/explosion proof container) 09.40.25 # in 2 hours 09.40.57 # i'd be more worried about the tight fit it's in 09.41.10 # If you have access to a lab power supply or a good li-ion charger, I'd try to charge it externally 09.41.13 # i basically repeated the note7 thing 09.42.05 # Well, it's your pocket where the player will sit 09.42.29 # actually it's either my hand or some surface 09.42.37 # it's too large for my pockets 09.42.41 # :D 09.45.07 # duo8: there are two limitations, 1) the USB port current limit, actually it is 500mA if you charge from USB, i am not sure if you charge from external USB charger (IIRC it depends on USB_DETECT_BY_REQUEST define), this 500mA limit can be increased to 1000mA (see power-6g.c) but to do that the external charger type should be detected using the D+/D- resistor configuration on each charger, it is planned to be done in future 09.45.07 # . 2) the battery charge limit, IIRC it is ~330mA and possibly it depends on a resistor connected to the 4066 IC 09.45.12 # my last player has a 2A input, whenever it charges it gets very hot 09.45.49 # prof_wolfff i use a samsung tablet charger, 2A 09.46.54 # duo8: the charger detection is not done at this moment 09.48.04 # can it also have a manual selection menu because i remember having a hard time finding a charger that wires D+/D- 09.48.28 # apparently samsung does it differently too 09.51.05 # try to charge using an USB 2.0 port to get the maximum 330mA, you are not going to get more current for charge even if you increase the limit to 1000mA, the iPod is going to consume more than 500mA if the HDD is spinning, (for maximum power consumption LCD must be at full brighness and CPU boosted, it should be ~700mA IIRC) 09.53.05 # the 700mA peak is when HDD spins-on, not while reading/writing 09.54.50 Join petur [0] (~petur@80.169.83.226) 09.54.50 Quit petur (Changing host) 09.54.50 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.06.26 Quit idonob (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.12.49 Quit evilnick (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.13.20 Quit gevaerts (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10.18.03 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.20.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.43.03 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 10.46.00 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@S010600259c3e7d7b.vs.shawcable.net) 10.56.14 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i15-les04-th2-31-35-19-195.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 11.01.10 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@80.215.15.91) 11.03.41 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.03.50 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@80.215.15.91) 11.07.20 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 11.09.28 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 11.18.50 Join bray90820_ [0] (~bray90820@50-83-217-236.client.mchsi.com) 11.20.34 Quit bray90820 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.28.32 Join freenoodle_ [0] (~jr@214.203.164.109.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch) 11.35.28 Quit freenoodle_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.52.13 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.06.08 Quit GodEater (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 12.11.13 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@176.251.3.144) 12.11.13 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 12.11.13 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 12.16.35 Part robertd1 12.20.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.24.22 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.24.32 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:4507:7649:d48b:2a62) 12.28.15 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.28.23 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.55.28 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.58.43 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.58.53 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.00.11 # prof_wolfff what is the charging current in low usb current mode? 13.01.42 Quit Moarc (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 13.05.11 Join Moarc [0] (~chujko@a105.net128.okay.pl) 13.10.50 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@80.169.83.226) 13.10.50 Quit p3tur (Changing host) 13.10.50 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.10.54 # duo8: the USB input limit is 100mA for USB 1.1 and 500mA for USB 2.0, if the USB limit is 100mA then you must subtract the iPod power consumption to get the maximum battery charge current, lets say it should be ~80mA at best (LCD off, no HDD operation, and CPU unboosted) 13.13.45 # prof_wolfff: 500 mA after negotiation ;) 13.13.49 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.13.51 # otherwise only 100 mA 13.14.14 # so at 100ma it will take 26.8 hr to charge 13.14.30 # (80mA charge current) 13.15.32 # is there a way to determine the current charge current? 13.17.44 # with a multimeter? :) 13.17.59 # SammysHP: yes, after negotiation when USB_DETECT_BY_REQUEST is defined (it is defined for iPod), but not sure when it is not defined, IIRC then the USB is detected by voltage on Vbus and not sure if RB selects 100mA or 500mA, i think the later but not sure 13.19.51 # duo8: you can get an USB voltimeter/ampmeter for a low price, but note that some models i bought does not measure current below 50mA 13.25.48 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.26.16 Join PimpiN8 [0] (~textual@145.132.155.235) 13.28.06 # duo8: to get the charge current then you must subtract the iPod power consumption (IIRC it is ~15-20mA when the iPod is quiet and LCD on sleep) 13.29.42 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.32.18 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13.32.56 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.43.24 # duo8: when the battery voltage is low then the first stage charges a very low current, once the voltage raises then the charge is done at constant current (the maximum the charger can give and limited to ~330mA), when 4.2V are reached then the charge is at constant voltage while the current drops slowly to 0mA (to see the exact numbers you can see the 4066 datasheet) 13.45.26 # LTC4066 13.46.20 Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 13.47.20 Join Gamera [0] (~Gamera@unaffiliated/gamera) 13.50.02 Quit Gamera (Quit: Leaving) 13.55.58 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@186-90-51-247.genericrev.cantv.net) 14.00.49 Quit nialv7 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.08.33 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 14.20.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.57.43 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.59.03 Part robertd1 16.14.24 Quit deevious (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16.16.25 Join deevious [0] (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 16.20.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.27.39 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 16.29.56 Quit Rower (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.30.19 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@m176-64-239-166.cust.tele2.se) 16.40.56 Join nialv7 [0] (m7nialmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nwkbbllmfbsfomis) 16.51.21 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.58.19 Quit JanC (Quit: 'k zien d'r mee weh zi) 16.58.37 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.04.03 Quit petur (Quit: Connection reset by beer) 18.18.27 Quit duo8 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.20.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.21.08 Join duo8 [0] (~ZNC-SRV-H@27.76.252.96) 18.28.11 # what is the ipod classic battery pinout? 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