--- Log for 26.08.117 Server: karatkievich.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 17 hours ago 00.05.21 Quit dovber__ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.21.33 Join dovber__ [0] (~dovber@ip70-180-188-13.lv.lv.cox.net) 00.24.25 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.48.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.53.03 Quit ender` (Quit: Variables won't. Constants aren't.) 01.01.55 Join Ruhan [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjwjlujqyoostooh) 01.37.01 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.46.36 # <__builtin> emailed sandisk again, "Sansa Fuze+ is one of our legacy MP3 player that we have stopped manufacturing long ago however we do have some units left in our stock. You may refer to the link here and avail 10% discount by using promo code L642Z." 01.46.57 # <__builtin> so it appears they are still selling old stock 01.59.42 Join Bilgus_ph [0] (4cf32773@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.243.39.115) 02.02.15 # @__builtin, I received my sansa clip zip today It's definitely NOS still not sure what V1 means 02.08.37 # <_meg> again clipzip 02.08.47 # <_meg> $119.00 + $3.99 shipping ? 02.13.52 # no 30 + $6 sh - 10% 02.14.04 # I think i'll buy 4 more 02.19.14 # $125.48 for 4 02.25.24 # <_meg> are you in philipines 02.26.00 # us-midwest 02.32.52 # <_meg> why you need 5 then :) 02.34.55 # ill keep 2 for me sell 3 of em 02.36.30 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 02.39.35 # <_meg> ahh, little jew biznez 02.41.21 Quit Aldem (Quit: Have to go, planet needs me.) 02.42.50 # gotta strike the iron while its hot :) 02.42.58 # <_meg> swap for samsung 64gb pro ? 02.45.15 # <_meg> not sure whole rockbox community will be happy about someone making trump style profit out of opensource spirit.. 02.46.31 # not sure I particularly care 02.47.36 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 02.48.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.48.16 # I wonder if you have seen the prices of these old players I just paid $100 for a NOS clip zip 6 months ago 02.49.11 # I'm sure this new stock on the market will depress prices a bit but they'll be back to gold prices after a while 02.53.10 # <__builtin> there's nothing wrong with selling a player 03.10.16 # bbl 03.10.21 Quit Bilgus_ph (Quit: Page closed) 03.17.02 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 03.17.37 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@140-182-74-206.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu) 03.26.16 Join alexweis_ [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 03.29.46 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.47.03 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.47.59 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 04.02.20 # usvi, yes the V1 clip zip works with rockbox, kinda figured it 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(original firmware, i think, not Rockbox) is typically salvageable in a software-only way? 17.49.20 Join LjL [0] (~ljl@unaffiliated/ljl) 17.57.51 # you will need to be running linux but yes https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/SansaFuzePlus#Recovery_mode 17.57.57 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 17.59.56 # we have a virtual machine that'll have most everything already set up for you here https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide#Virtual_Machine_40Strongly_Recommended_41 18.00.50 # @ LjL-Alplet you will need to install the Oracle Virtual Box extras IIRC 18.03.15 # and while you are at it you might as well install rockbox, and you might want to install a multiboot bootloader jic this is a sign of failing flash http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.0.html 18.08.35 # thanks Bilgus. running Linux is not an issue, i have computers with Fedora and Debian. i do intend to install Rockbox if i can recover it, what i don't really want to do is use jtag or otherwise deal with hardware, since i'm no good at that 18.11.16 # the dev recovery guide above should work for you just keep in mind the VM if you have lots of issues, though it has a few gotchas as well 18.11.45 # Bilgus, if this is likely to mean the flash is failing, though, that's important 18.19.52 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 18.21.10 Nick JanC is now known as Guest55602 (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 18.21.10 Quit Guest55602 (Killed (hobana.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 18.21.10 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 18.45.11 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 18.48.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.53.29 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-24-93.net.upcbroadband.cz) 18.55.40 # LjL-Alplet: assuming that there is no hardware problem, recovery on the fuze+ is always possible 18.55.53 # (in a software-only way) 18.56.01 # mhm 18.56.24 # well, we'll see, hopefully i can get a Fuze+ working fine 19.02.11 # LjL-Alplet: good luck! 19.02.18 # oh hi alexbobp 19.02.59 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 19.03.15 # alexbobp, what do you use rockbox on? 19.04.10 # LjL-Alplet: original sansa fuze remains my favorite mp3 player of all time 19.04.29 # and I also have a clip zip 19.05.16 # alexbobp, i don't like the original Fuze as a matter of principle, because of the proprietary connector. i'd just lose it all the time like i do with my camera's 19.05.21 # I actually have a fuze+ that I can't stand using because touch input fo ran mp3 player was an insane design choice 19.05.21 # i have a Clip Zip too 19.05.31 # LjL-Alplet: can you reach the usb mode? 19.05.37 # oh yeah well that's a pretty valid point. though I have like 5 of those cables by now :P 19.06.00 # it's just something I put up with because I haven't gotten as good an experience from any other DAP 19.06.08 # pamaury, i... don't know yet :P what this really is about is that i'm eyeing a used Fuze+ that i might get for very cheap due to it bootlooping 19.06.14 # the physical rotating wheel feels like it's what ipods were too cheap to be. 19.06.29 # ironic, I know, since apple started with a physical wheel and then switched to touch because it's supposed to be fancier, but it doesn't feel as good 19.10.08 # LjL-Alplet: ah I see :) 19.12.24 # alexbobp, physical rotation is alright and i am not really sure i'll like the touch, either 19.12.32 # alexbobp, i like touchscreens but touchpads annoy the hell out of me for example 19.12.45 # LjL-Alplet: well this is touchpad, not touchscreen 19.12.56 # yep, so chances are it will annoy me, but we'll see 19.13.00 # but to make matters worse it's a touchpad overloaded to behave as a button pad with no feedback 19.13.00 # (or not, depending on how cheap i can get one) 19.13.12 # it ought to have vibration 19.13.12 # how cheap are you getting it? and how much are you willing to balance cost over usability? 19.13.27 # I don't think these devices have the power for vibration 19.13.46 # alexbobp, vibration doesn't take a LOT of power, smartwatches with tiny batteries offer it 19.13.58 # and for simple touch feedback, very short vibrations are generally employed 19.14.20 # alexbobp, i don't really know how much i'm getting one for but i think i'm going to give up unless i can pay €20 plus shipping top 19.15.03 # LjL-Alplet: can't you get a clip zip new for not much more? 19.15.15 # alexbobp, well but i have a clip zip :P 19.15.22 # then why do you want a downgrade? 19.15.28 # * LjL-Alplet shrugs 19.15.38 # look, the fuze+ is *horrible* :P 19.15.40 # you are warned 19.15.42 # bigger screen, the Sansas are just interesting 19.15.47 # unbricking it will just be the start of your pain xD 19.15.48 # i also have a Clip+... ;x 19.15.56 # the clip+ is awesome 19.15.58 # not comparable 19.16.00 # i prefer the Zip 19.16.06 # well of course 19.16.14 # it's just newer and better 19.16.19 # but I'd take a clip+ over a fuze+ too :P 19.16.24 # alexbobp, yes, but there are several newer ones that aren't better at all 19.16.27 # I'd take almost anything with buttons over a fuze+ 19.16.33 # (like pretty much all newer Sansas) 19.16.36 # other than one of the really old ones with no microsd slot 19.16.58 # I don't even know what models they have these days 19.16.59 # the sport? 19.17.01 # alexbobp, i might also give one of those three to other people, and it's not going to be the best of the bunch ;) 19.17.09 # yes the sport but i don't think that's the only one 19.17.15 # i don't remember the names, they are underwhelming 19.17.41 # I dunno, their current offerings just look like minor upgrades to the clip zip 19.17.47 # I am sure I'd like them as long as they run rockbox :P 19.18.00 # alexbobp, but they aren't upgrades and that's why they can't run rockbox :P 19.18.08 # they have much dumber chipsets 19.18.11 # well screw that then 19.19.27 # it's amazing how their "update" to 10 year old products is just to find a way to cheap out more on manufacturing them >_< 19.21.34 # they have the clip zip for 30 and fuze+ for 50 at the sandisk store 19.22.09 # only in US and have to find them with search but they are there 19.22.34 # I own a clip+ which is my fav of all time, a fuze+ and now a clipzip 19.23.01 # the fuze+ has a touchpad that is one of the worst abominations i've ever seen 19.24.14 # With rockbox it is at least usable, and it inspired me to make a softlock which is in main line now that helps too but the damn thing has no clip so you need a case if you don't lock the keys it triggers all over the place 19.24.22 # battery life is pretty good 19.25.22 # if I had the choice between a free fuze+ and a $20 clip+ or clipzip I'd get the clips 19.26.01 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.29.55 # same 19.30.10 # btw Bilgus the clip itself isn't an issue. it's easy to order a nice standalone clip that comes with mounting tape 19.30.21 # so I put clips onto my fuzes that way 19.30.54 # but mostly... a big color screen just doesn't matter much to a DAP's job 19.31.42 # no it is a nice little gaming device though but really meh I have a DAP for one reason and I expect it to do it well 19.33.52 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-106-223.customers.d1-online.com) 19.33.55 # gaming device? kind of I guess :P 19.34.09 # actually... to be fair, the gameboy color emulation can be a lot of fun on the fuze 19.34.23 # bothing else has a big enough screen, except the fuze+, which has maddeningly horrible controls 19.34.31 # *nothing 19.34.39 # oh I have a ipod nano as well but I gave that to my kid 19.42.01 # Bilgus, i am probably not going to use the Fuze+ primarily as a music player at all, but the fact it has a touchpad and a bigger screen may actually make it more useful as a nifty thing to use for unforeseen purposes 19.42.02 # that was my thought at least in eyeing it 19.42.29 # also, the Clip+ is more expensive on our Amazon than the Clip Zip... meaning that the latter was around €50 last i checked, while the former was over €100 19.42.40 # considering i paid both of them less than €25 back when i bought them, that's a bit ridiculous 19.43.12 # yeah I paid $100 for a NOS clip+ when my other died 19.43.38 # :( 19.44.02 # i like the way the Clip+ looks better than the Clip Zip 19.44.06 # but i kinda hate its screen 19.44.24 # the "fake colors" are lame i think, and it flickers annoyingly to my eyes 19.46.58 # alexbobp, i'd probably like the wheel in the original Fuze... but i can't help considering the weird cable a dealbreaker 19.54.39 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.56.21 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 20.09.11 # early gen ipod nanos are really cool. I like how they use an LCD where you can turn the brightness all the way down, and then see it both in the dark or in broad daylight with reflected light 20.09.24 # if they only had the microsd slot they might compete with sandisk for my favorite player 20.10.10 # LjL-Alplet: and you're not wrong about the weird way the monochrome displays scan 20.10.21 # it doesn't just flicker to your eyes 20.10.55 # alexbobp, other people have said they don't notice it though, so i guess it's subjective how noticeable (or annoying) it is 20.12.00 # alexbobp, also, it's unrelated to rockbox, but about "reflected light" screens, i've been looking at these Amazfit semi-smart-watches sold by Xiaomi (the Bip model is in Chinese only for now but it'll be out in English soon) that have screens like that. i really want one because finally the battery life is something sensible 20.12.12 # partly/mainly thanks to the screen being reflective 20.24.57 # LjL-Alplet: I only notice it if I'm glancing around or moving the player itself rapidly 20.25.09 # but not while actually trying to read stuff on the screen 20.25.41 # LjL-Alplet: are you not familiar with pebble watches? smart watches with transflective displays and awesome battery life are not new :P 20.26.58 # alexbobp, "awesome" battery lives? they do like 5 days when you're lucky 20.27.22 # the Bip has a claimed 45-day battery life with low use, and 4 month if you use it as a watch only with no "smart" functionality except the step counter 20.27.43 # while the Pace goes back to a 5-day life similar to the Pebble, while having much superior hardware, and running Android... 20.28.14 # LjL-Alplet: awsome battery lives for an always-on net connected device? yeah I think so. pebble is also around 5 days 20.28.24 # i am annoyed enough by smartphones having to be charged every couple of days to be bothered doing that with *watches*. that's just not happening. 20.28.38 # alexbobp, did you miss the part where the one i want to buy is 45 days? 20.28.39 # that thing's running android? 20.28.55 # you want to buy the one with no screen? 20.29.01 # the Pace is running Android, and has a roughly 5-day battery life. the Bip is running its own thing, and has a 45-day battery life. 20.29.02 # ... 20.29.08 # "no screen"? what the heck are you talking about 20.29.16 # wait no nevermind 20.29.18 # that's another thing 20.29.32 # sorry, they don't have the bip on their normal products list, lemme find it 20.29.34 # http://www.startlr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/AmazfitBipE.png this is the Bip, it has a screen 20.29.52 # ok, that looks pretty neat actually 20.29.57 # and it gets notifications and all the good stuff? 20.30.03 # alexbobp, they likely don't because you looked at the English page and they have no English version out yet 20.30.13 # alexbobp, yes, and it has a heartrate sensor and a GPS 20.30.17 # but it does not run custom apps 20.30.22 # for that matter, neither does the Pace by default 20.30.31 # but it runs Android and they can just be installed through ADB 20.30.37 # (the Pace, not the Bip) 20.31.04 # (with the Bip i'll just have to trade the ability to run my own apps against more than a month of battery life, and that's a tradeoff i'm willing to make9 20.31.14 # fair enough 20.31.59 # alexbobp, i actually made a somewhat detailed comparison at http://outcasts.referata.com/wiki/Amazfit mostly to clarify it in my own head 20.31.59 # the pebble's main value proposition comes down to a few very specific things for me. notification display, and active media playback control. 20.32.16 # so I could consider a smartwatch without apps (though wouldn't be willing to pay as much of course) 20.32.49 # but the second thing, in particular, massively benefits from the pebble having physical buttons and not jumping on the touchscreen bandwagon 20.33.00 # I am not going to toleate having to *look* at my wristwatch to successfully pause and unpause a podcast 20.33.00 Quit dovber__ (Remote host closed the connection) 20.33.25 Join dovber__ [0] (~dovber@2600:8801:3180:de:beee:7bff:fee3:335f) 20.33.39 # alexbobp, the Amazfit have the ability to control music, but you actually have to press a physical button to "unlock" and *then* start using the touchscreen, so they would not be ideal for quickly controlling music 20.34.13 # yeah that's the thing that really gets me 20.34.19 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 20.34.30 # I don't know a nice way to put this... watches that are primarily controlled via touchscreen is just a really freaking stupid idea 20.34.39 # alexbobp, i would more than tolerate a touchscreen for that, though, if the software were engineered for that purpose... namely, if i could just use swipes/gestures without a need to *look* at the screen than i would be fine with that 20.35.00 # I'm not against *having* a touchscreen but as soon as they go and design the UIs to make me use it, it has failed at any kind of basic usability for a watch 20.35.12 # i can't say i fully agree 20.35.15 # actually you make a good point 20.35.20 # a gesture based os could make it work 20.35.37 # I just haven't seen any passable attempt at this yet, and just having buttons seems like a simple solution and works very very well for me 20.35.45 # well, most (all?) smartwatches that are based on a touchscreen *have* basic swiping gestures 20.35.49 # they just may not be the ones you want 20.35.58 # but that's a matter of configurability, nothing intrinsic 20.36.03 # yeah but I mean gestures that are designed to be eyeball free 20.36.27 # eg, in android for watches, you can swipe between your apps, but you still have to look or you couldn't possibly know which one you've swiped to 20.36.28 # i'd say that the gestures that simply consist in swiping from one of the four edges qualify 20.36.41 # yeah but there needs to be some kind of absolute reference 20.36.44 # and those are the ones generally employed, of course it means they're limited to 4 unless you start using combos 20.37.00 # yeah, hence configurability of what the gestures *do* 20.37.06 # the thing with pebble is I can tap back a few times, and expect to be on my watchface, and then I can hold one of the hotkey buttons to get straight to the media control app 20.37.10 # so I never have to look 20.37.15 # if they were configurable you could just assign them to non-stateful things 20.37.33 # and use more complicated ways to interact for stateful things (since you will have to look either way) 20.37.52 # yeah 20.38.02 # well if a watch shows on the market that does that in a passable way, I'll consider it 20.38.09 # and the other thing is, the apps themselves would have to, as well 20.38.23 # it's not enough to have an absolute gesture that gets me to the media control app without looking, if I then have to look for the play button to tap 20.38.23 # assuming it has apps! 20.38.29 # well built in apps included. 20.38.34 # okay 20.38.40 # my point is, android wear lets me swipe to the apps, but then each app is just a panel with buttons 20.38.46 # well, the Pace can be tweaked and there are already custom ROMs for it 20.38.46 # so it is a really bad solution for me 20.38.51 # but with the Bip that's a complete unknown 20.39.12 # Gadgetbridge people have just added firmware flashing support, but that doesn't mean anyone has a clue how to change the firmware, since it's fully proprietary afaik 20.39.24 # oh that is cool 20.39.33 # the Pace doesn't run Android Wear (Chinese things typically don't), it runs Android 20.39.35 # I didn't know gadgetbridge was going to keep expanding to more smartwatches. I approve. 20.39.43 # ahh 20.39.54 # this is sounding jankier and jankier 20.39.55 # alexbobp, if the Bip weren't supported by Gadgetbridge, i'd probably not get it 20.40.05 # os the watch runs android, but won't have support for any of my apps with android wear apps? 20.40.05 # i am not a fan of having random chinese proprietary apps on my phone 20.40.10 # that seems epically pointless 20.40.32 # alexbobp, well yes they don't really even *tell* you it uses Android, it's just what they picked as an underlying base 20.40.45 # it's just that XDA quickly found out and saw that you can install stuff using ADB 20.40.53 # anyway, the one i'm mostly interested in is the Bip 20.41.29 # the OS may be simple and not tweakable at all but any battery life below 10 days or so is a no go, i've decided, so the Bip is pretty much the only watch i would consider 20.42.09 # the pace is actually a really tempting proposition for my dad. he's a runner. 20.42.19 # the operating phone-free functionality would make sense for him. 20.42.31 # for me, I don't care about having an independent gps in my watch, or music storage, for example 20.42.36 # alexbobp, why not the Bip then? for activity tracking, they are roughly equivalent 20.42.43 # they both have heartrate and GPS 20.42.50 # does the bip do bluetooth audio? 20.43.04 # ah, no, that might be nice for runners who like to listen to music while running 20.43.13 # yeah exactly. my dad listens to podcasts while running generally 20.43.16 # alexbobp, keep in mind the Pace is about twice the price of the Bip though 20.43.22 # he actually uses standalone sandisk players alongside his standalone running watch 20.43.28 # so I don't think he'd mind a device that does both 20.43.33 # makes sense 20.43.58 # yeah, i guess the Pace is "a Bip for people who don't want to carry a smartphone too" 20.43.59 # in a sense 20.44.07 # (or rather the reverse since the Pace came out first) 20.46.12 Quit quaz0r (Quit: WeeChat 2.0-dev) 20.46.16 # "It is rated IP68, though apparently not recommended for swimming." 20.46.19 # that doesn't make sense 20.46.45 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.47.17 Quit LjL-Alplet (Remote host closed the connection) 20.48.02 Join LjL-Laplet [0] (~ljl@unaffiliated/ljl) 20.48.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.49.11 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 20.52.16 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.55.24 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-24-93.net.upcbroadband.cz) 21.21.34 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21.46.46 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.46.51 # bleh 21.47.00 # anyone who might want a cheap Fuze+ here is in the UK? 21.48.25 # well, the bootlooping Fuze+ is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282618047758 but i can't get it because he said he'll only post to the UK, so 21.48.41 # but to be fair 21.49.13 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-123-151.customers.d1-online.com) 21.49.14 # i am not sure i would feel entirely comfortable with a seller who responds with "Sorry I didn t know how to post abroad therefore it is for UK only" 21.49.25 # in principle, even if i were in the UK, that would sound somewhat concerning ;( 21.49.58 # even if it's just an excuse because they don't feel like doing it, it's a pretty ridiculous one at that 22.03.50 Quit dovber__ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.15.43 # alexbobp, this has a reflective screen and good physical buttons, not too cheap though http://www.ebay.it/itm/302428722139 22.16.45 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.18.16 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.19.17 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 22.20.14 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 22.26.04 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.28.24 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 22.33.10 Join dovber__ [0] (~dovber@2600:8801:3180:de:beee:7bff:fee3:335f) 22.48.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.56.29 Join kbelyea [0] (~kbelyea@toroon63-1279386904.sdsl.bell.ca) 23.09.26 Quit LjL-Laplet (Remote host closed the connection) 23.14.03 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.16.12 # LjL: but bluetooth notifications? :o 23.16.25 # gotta be able to read my emails and stuff 23.32.40 Quit kbelyea (Quit: WeeChat 1.6) 23.32.55 Join Ruhan [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mroaesmjotoyrpnb) 23.50.46 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)