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00.01.25 #       <Bilgus_> it erroirs out at quantities > 333399999 so i'm gussing over a limit it gives no feedback
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02.13.46 #       <johnb3> lebellium (logs): Are you familiar with the clip+ and its keymap? I am a long time user and know it by heart. It perfectly fits Sonys with volume keys. Do you think users of the "NWZ-E3xx" series are emotionally bound to current key map?
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02.17.23 #       <johnb3> I just applied it to the Linux Sonys that I have, all with volume keys. On devices w/o I am not so sure, if it makes sense.
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05.34.44 #       <Milardo> hi i see that the Sony NWZ-E360 is in the dev builds page
05.34.57 #       <Milardo> I have the sony nwz-e353
05.35.33 #       <Milardo> i believe somebody was working on it here
05.35.51 #       <Milardo> Can somebody tell me if it's close to completion yet for rockbox port?
05.42.41 #       <Milardo> is this player related to e360?
05.42.59 #       <Milardo> i also see that the e360 is stable noww
05.43.18 #       <Milardo> how about the e353, i can't find it anywhere
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10.21.29 #       <usvi> Bilgus_: interesting note, comparing the packaging the v1 is sealed to the plastic casing, non-v1 is loose. also I think v1 did not contain mini-cd; instead it had a sticker to go to website for firmware upgrades
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14.19.13 #       <Bilgus_> yeah that packaging was something else well sealed to say the least, as for the cd well and that software its essentially worthless lol
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15.30.51 #       <johnb3> Bilgus_ : Would you mind pushing g#1609 ?
15.30.53 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #1609 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1609 : 3Rename "Selective Backlight" to "Backlight Exemptions" and add German translation by Johannes Rauh
15.32.41 #       <Bilgus_> doesn't matter to me but I don't have commit auth, in addition g#1617 need to get pushed as well
15.32.43 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #1617 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1617 : 3FIX Autolock not working unless Selective backlight enabled by William Wilgus
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15.35.12 #       <johnb3> Then we need someone else to volunteer ;-)
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16.20.36 #       <Bilgus_> johnb3, also you might want to push g#1444 prior to your sony keymap or cherry pick it into your commit  
16.20.38 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #1444 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1444 : 3Fix FMS Volume-long press Up and Down button actions for SANSA CLIP derivatives by William Wilgus
16.21.35 #       <johnb3> True.
16.21.51 #       <Bilgus_> (assuming you are still planning on using the clip keymaps)
16.22.59 #       <johnb3> Yep, I might put something on gerrit soon.
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16.43.57 #       <__builtin> Could someone do me a favor and test wolf3d on their target (anything but ipod6g)? I'm interested in seeing how well the sound performs now
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16.48.24 #       <Bilgus_> if you want to compile it for the fuze+ I can, IIRC it has a 320x240 screen
16.48.46 #       <__builtin> I think it might work for other screen sizes as well
16.48.50 #       <__builtin> but I haven't tested
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16.49.54 #       <__builtin> Bilgus_: gimme a second to push the change to make it screen-size agnostic
16.50.20 #       <Bilgus_> ok, ill dig out my fuze+
16.50.27 #       <pamaury> johnb3: the clip+ and nwz don't quite have the same keys though, the nwz have one more key and a hold button. Also some don't have volume keys
16.51.48 #       <__builtin> ok, check out g#1653 and all its dependencies
16.51.49 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #1653 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1653 : 3Wolfenstein 3-D! by Franklin Wei
16.52.42 #       <__builtin> you might need to adjust firmware/export/config/*yourtarget*.h to enlarge the plugin buffer
16.53.52 #       <johnb3> The hold button is not a problem, you simply don't need the key combo to do a soft lock. I am aware of the volume keys. It is working on devices with volume keys (tested) and in a next step I would try and put if-clauses for the ones without.
16.55.01 #       <pamaury> and what is the argument for changing the keymap?
16.55.24 #       <johnb3> For me the question is, if the community out there would be willing to change to a new keymap.
16.56.01 #       <johnb3> My impression is that the behaviour of BACK and POWER is not as elaborate as with the clip.
16.56.23 #       <johnb3> And of course I am familiar with it :-)
16.56.54 #       <johnb3> So for now it is just for my usage unless others feel the same way.
16.57.21 #       <johnb3> Do the NWZ-E3xx have volume keys or not?
17.01.14 #       <Bilgus_> __builtin, what are 'the original data files
17.01.14 #       <Bilgus_> '?
17.02.16 #       <__builtin> one second
17.04.40 #       <__builtin> check PM
17.11.43 #       <pamaury> johnb3: some do, some don't
17.11.57 #       <pamaury> also we support other NWZ
17.12.07 #       <pamaury> but all others have volume keys
17.12.27 #       <johnb3> pamaury: Since there are no manuals for the Sonys today, the keymap is only documented in the source. With your NWZlinx port I expect the number of users to increase dramatically. Changing a keymap after that will annoy people.
17.13.05 #       <johnb3> I just uploaded the current version g#1656
17.13.06 #       <fs-bluebot> 3Gerrit review #1656 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1656 : 3Provide a clip-like keymap for Sony players (WIP) by Johannes Rauh
17.13.52 #       <johnb3> Are you familiar with the clip+ or zip?
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17.14.21 #       <pamaury> johnb3: not particularly, however note that the nwz can't do combos
17.14.46 #       <pamaury> or rather many combos are not possible
17.14.56 #       <pamaury> and some might work but I'm not even sure
17.15.06 #       <pamaury> I know the clip+ keymap loves combos (which I hate)
17.16.40 #       <johnb3> As for me the keylock combo is the only one I use, if at all. Other stuff is rather exotic and not really needed.
17.16.52 #       <johnb3> in my opinion.
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17.18.07 #       <pamaury> you would need to ask in the NWZ E370/E380 thread to gather some opinion (note that those do NOT have volume keys though). I don't have a strong opinion
17.18.43 #       <pamaury> However I would prefer you do not copy the keymap-clip.c file over, that's make the diff essentially impossible to follow and thus hard to know what it changes
17.19.22 #       <pamaury> for example the button_mapping button_context_standard is essentially the same but with a different order
17.19.45 #       <pamaury> and obviously it needs to support no volume key
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17.37.58 #       <johnb3> I confirm the useless/impossible "diff". Assuming keymap-clip in itself is consistent, I had rather copied it completely than trying re-arrange and compare the different actions, ending up in inconsistencies.
17.38.21 #       <__builtin> Bilgus_: pull the newest patch set
17.38.45 #       <Bilgus_> ok
17.39.37 #       <johnb3> When changing the samsung yp-R0 keymap I also found it hard to compare with others...
17.42.59 #       <johnb3> I feel it would be a major effort to align the source formatting of the keymap files.
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17.46.23 #       <Bilgus_> maybe do them alphabetically and just script it?
17.47.23 #       <Bilgus_> only thing you'd have to watch for is changing the actual header order of each table
17.47.58 #       <johnb3> As for "asking in the NWZ E370/E380 thread", that's a good idea, but I would only do that once I have a solution for the 'no vol key devices' available, so people can try themselves.
17.49.25 #       <johnb3> Bilgus_ : yeah, and you have to identify the different context sections and only sort in there. Also the contexts then would need sorting.
17.49.54 #       <johnb3> I am not good at text parsing :-(
17.52.16 #       <johnb3> Bilgus_ : Did you mean having a list of actions and the create the context sections with a script?
17.55.22 #       <Bilgus_> I think thatd be a bear to keep track of no just sort them once with a script
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18.00.11 #       <__builtin> Bilgus_: I just tried it in the sim, it seems menu drawing isn't working
18.00.21 #       <__builtin> but the game does, just press volume up (I think) a bunch of times
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18.10.28 #       <Bilgus_> I didn't get any sound at all, also tried 'test sound' and it tells me 'couldn't init video, no mode large enough for 320x240'\
18.10.47 #       <Bilgus_> runs pretty smooth though otherwise..
18.12.31 #       <__builtin> it's off by default
18.12.42 #       <__builtin> you need to navigate the menu blindly to get it
18.12.53 #       <Bilgus_> ok w/o a menu how do I turn it on?
18.12.56 #       <Bilgus_> lol
18.13.08 #       <__builtin> start the game
18.13.19 #       <Bilgus_> a list of the menu options would help
18.13.36 #       <__builtin> then press -, down, +, down, +, down, +, down +, -
18.13.42 #       <__builtin> (based on the sim)
18.13.46 #       <Bilgus_> ok
18.13.57 #       <__builtin> also I made a mistake and it plays about 2x faster than normal
18.14.09 #       <Bilgus_> not a bad thing imo
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18.14.31 #       <__builtin> (the sound)
18.14.54 #       <Bilgus_> ohh
18.22.17 #       <Bilgus_> no I get sound enabled and menu sounds come through but then can't get out of the menu
18.26.18 #       <Bilgus_> the menu sounds sound 'ok' bloop and 'ricochet'
18.26.49 #       * __builtin should probably get the menu working
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18.35.43 #       <__builtin> ah, it seems it tries to scale everything by a certain "scale factor" when drawing
18.35.52 #       <__builtin> but when LCD_WIDTH < 320, it truncates to 0
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20.45.18 #       <__builtin> Bilgus_: I figured out a hack to make the menu work
20.45.51 #       <Bilgus_> ok did you commit it?
20.45.57 #       <__builtin> not yet
20.46.27 #       <__builtin> in apps/plugins/sdl/tests/wolf3d/id_vl.c, insert the line "if(!scaleFactor) scaleFactor = 1;" on line 145
20.46.41 #       <__builtin> underneath where scaleFactor is first set
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20.47.29 #       <__builtin> it will probably crash at some point because it will be attempting an out-of-range access
20.48.54 #       <Bilgus_> it already had a DIVZ error but since I couldn't see the menu and what I clicked I ignored it
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20.51.54 #       <__builtin> it might work if I add some bounds checks though
20.59.53 #       <__builtin> hmm, maybe not
21.00.51 #       <__builtin> I suppose I could go a bit lower-level and implement scaling on the SDL driver level
21.00.57 #       <__builtin> it would look like crap, but it would work
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21.17.43 #       <saratoga__> anyone understand cue sheets well enough to understand fs#13128?
21.17.43 #       <fs-bluebot> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13128 3rockbox doesn't show correct song/artist name when playing file with CUE sheet (bugs, unconfirmed)
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21.39.12 #       <__builtin> Bilgus_: I pushed the scaling code
21.39.17 #       <__builtin> it should work now
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21.42.06 #       <__builtin> I'm not sure how fast it'll be though
21.43.11 #       <Bilgus_> ill try it
21.45.25 #       <__builtin> wait, that last one wouldn't compile
21.45.42 #       <__builtin> pull it again if you already did
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21.47.57 #       <saratoga__> jhMikeS:  are cue file tags used in rockbox?
21.48.25 #       <Bilgus_> CC apps/plugins/sdl/tests/wolf3d/wl_atmos.c
21.48.25 #       <Bilgus_> CC apps/plugins/sdl/tests/wolf3d/wl_cloudsky.c
21.48.25 #       <Bilgus_> cc1: error: invalid option argument ‘-Og’
21.48.26 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Bilgus_
21.48.26 #       <Bilgus_> make: *** [/home/ubuntu/Desktop/rockbox_gerrit/rockbox/buildfuze+/apps/plugins/sdl/tests/wolf3d/wl_atmos.o] Error 1
21.48.26 #       <Bilgus_> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
21.49.09 #       <Bilgus_> ill try a clean build again bbiab
21.51.49 #       <__builtin> pull it again
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22.53.42 #       <jhMikeS> saratoga: no
22.56.23 #       <jhMikeS> saratoga: never mind that. of course they are since they show in the wps. duh 
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23.08.30 #       <saratoga__> i'd forgotten we even had that, i never use CUE files
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