--- Log for 07.10.117 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 16 hours ago 00.01.54 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.08.46 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 00.09.13 # <__builtin> hmm, why the heck is quake doing bit operations using floats casted to ints?! 00.10.13 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 56.0/20170926190823]) 00.30.44 # 'CH23> Bilgus: how can i boot from the internal memory, without editing the µSD card?' take the memory card out while player is off then re-insert after it boots 00.31.32 # OR boot just like normal then go to the rockbox.sansa file in the internal memory and run it 00.44.04 Join harlock [0] (~harlock@167.114.84.133) 00.44.49 # is there any way to totally remove ios from my ipod video (5th gen)? i have rockbox running, and that is all i want. i dont want it to ever ever ever try to boot ios. 00.47.54 # harlock: have a look at https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher 00.56.27 # oh its not hard at all 00.56.31 # gevaerts: thanks! 01.01.04 Quit harlock (Quit: leaving) 01.22.56 # <__builtin> ugh, this is pretty much impossible to debug 01.31.17 # __builtin: talking about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root 01.31.56 # <__builtin> no, not that 01.32.10 # <__builtin> it's in the bytecode interpreter for QuakeC 01.33.21 # <__builtin> it does boolean operations on floats 01.33.48 # <__builtin> as in, c->_float = (int)a->_float & (int)b->_float; 01.35.32 # & isn't boolean! 01.35.53 # It just ands two integers and assigns it back to a float 01.36.54 # <__builtin> well, it does boolean ops on them as well 01.37.10 # that's valid too 01.38.26 Quit ender (Quit: Remember: A secretary isn't permanent until she's been screwed on the desk.) 01.45.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.49.09 # <__builtin> yes, it's pretty weird though 01.58.19 # jhMikeS, what other plans do you have for the g#1556? 01.58.22 # 3Gerrit review #1556 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1556 : 3Allow mounting of any directory as the root directory. by Michael Sevakis 01.59.17 # Hello rockboxers 02.23.44 Part Abbott ("WeeChat 1.9.1") 02.40.46 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 02.41.10 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-50-12-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 03.15.58 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 03.45.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.05.42 Join Strife1989 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-149.mcn.bellsouth.net) 04.06.31 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.53.10 Quit Moarc (Quit: i znowu NADMUCHAŁ BALONA) 04.53.23 # Bilgus: none whatsoever without another FS code update 04.56.55 Join Moarc [0] (~chujko@a105.net128.okay.pl) 05.16.08 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.18.34 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 05.33.05 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 05.43.26 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-50-12-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 05.45.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.06.49 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.08.07 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.31.31 Quit PurlingNayuki (Quit: PurlingNayuki) 06.31.51 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 06.32.04 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.42.29 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.45.21 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06.45.23 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 07.00.35 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.04.09 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 07.45.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.05.52 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.15.06 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.39.49 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08.40.39 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-100-123.customers.d1-online.com) 08.46.03 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-50-12-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 08.50.35 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.54.40 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09.36.09 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-100-123.customers.d1-online.com) 09.45.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.01.50 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-177-206.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 10.35.11 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.39.14 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.40.36 # pamaury: did you get something from him https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-nw-zx300-coming-soon.854693/page-64#post-13767409 ? 10.47.16 # lebellium: yes i have the model id 10.49.33 # It's a pity we can't find service manuals anymore 10.49.38 # there are all model IDs in 10.51.04 # yeah... 11.45.35 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 12.05.53 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.242.176.168) 12.15.06 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:119c:d297:3629:a5e0) 12.21.21 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-183-202.mcn.bellsouth.net) 12.24.00 Quit Strife1989 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.25.39 Join CH23 [0] (4dfa0218@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.250.2.24) 12.26.16 # Bilgus: thanks, i was hoping there'd be a button combo at boot to make it switch, much like it can to the og firmware. 12.27.08 # also another somewhat silly question: would it be possible to write software to make the fm radio work with DAB+ 12.30.23 Quit CH23 (Client Quit) 12.36.46 # CH23, on some devices that would be fine but not on all since there aren't a lot of bytes left to shoehorn it into the bootloader 12.39.09 # but we could maybe write a stub loader that sat on the card and gets loaded from the bootloader then does a menu that lets you select something but it seems pretty convoluted for not much gain 12.40.00 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.44.28 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 12.46.15 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 7eb240a, 273 builds, 12 clients. 12.59.13 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 777 seconds. 12.59.14 # Build Server message: 3Revision 7eb240a result: All green 12.59.34 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.00.30 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 13.03.34 # may an head-fier ask in the https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-nw-zx300-coming-soon.854693/ thread to try out the latest scsitool version? 13.04.52 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13.07.05 # lebellium: I answered the guy by email 13.07.22 # ok 13.07.23 # I asked him to run more tests to get the kas and other things 13.07.47 # but still interested in people running https://gist.github.com/pamaury/36b9c79b936abf300bfd203a295029ca on a NW-ZX300 or NW-A40 13.07.52 # even NW-A30 13.08.25 # A40 is not released yet I think 13.08.40 # yeah but in the future 13.08.49 # I guess any new player basically 13.09.35 # even about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51792.0.html 13.09.50 # there are hundreds users on head-fi but no one bothering making some tests 13.11.21 # yeah that's annoying 13.11.45 # if it was risky I may understand 13.11.56 # but it's just about reading some information 13.13.20 # I don't want to sign up on head-fi just to tell people off so it would be nice if an head-fier here can try to convince people on head-fi we need their help as beta testers 13.15.35 # btw, how do you find the NWZ-A10? Did you play with it? 13.16.57 # I didn't play with it a lot but the screen is very nice 13.17.07 # I think I prefer the form factor of the 585 though 13.17.16 # the keys on the A10 are a bit weird 13.18.12 # yeah I don't like the "back" and "option" keys 13.18.30 # I have also bought some extension cable for the wm-port, I'm trying to hack them, I suspect it's possible to obtain a serial console with the wm-port 13.37.58 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 13.45.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.53.33 # lebellium: I've found a NWZ-S764BT on leboncoin, buying it ; 13.53.42 # leave it to me :( 13.54.13 # I still don't have any S7XX grrr 13.54.25 # I should look at leboncoin more often 13.55.08 # lebellium: to be honest I don't do much with those players. If you are interested and once I've ported the to the S760 and possibly made bluetoooth work I can give you the S750 and S760 13.55.52 # I'm sure I don't do more than you with them :P 13.56.51 # and when from time to time I want to use a player I don't usually use, then most likely the battery is empty 13.57.04 # collecting DAPs is the worst choice ever :D 13.58.31 # yes :) but at least you are collecting them, I just port to them and never use them again 13.58.44 # and then I pile them in a box and forget about them 14.00.00 # we'll see later when you give me back the S540 and A860 if I can accept the S750 and S760 or it's a too big gift \o/ 14.00.10 # if* 14.02.14 # I still need to decide what to do about the A860 bootloader, do you think I should make it touch screen aware or is it sufficiently with the buttons? 14.05.58 # I think it would be nice to have it screen touch aware too. Then if someone has a broken button, it could be still used ? 14.07.12 # it's just a lot more work because we don't have gestures in rockbox and I guess that's what is most natural for the bootloader. I'll have try at it 14.08.50 # you mean swiping left/right or up/.down? 14.09.45 # yes 14.10.30 # I mean I'm lying a bit, we have gegstures for lists in rockbox, but the bootloader cannot include all of that stuff 14.15.37 # ok 14.15.49 # it it's so much work, don't bother with it then 14.17.19 Join Strife1989 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-71.mcn.bellsouth.net) 14.20.20 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.09.29 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.12.40 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-50-12-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 15.20.12 Join man_in_shack [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/man-in-shack/x-4279753) 15.20.49 # welp, my sansa clip+ is dying 15.22.07 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 15.33.39 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 15.42.17 # ok. 15.45.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.47.29 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 15.48.09 # finally making progress on it now. managed to get it mounted in stock firmware mode 15.52.04 # your best bet is probably to put the multiboot bootloader on there and starting running from the SD card instead 15.52.27 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.0.html 15.53.55 # looks like a broken filesystem on system device 15.54.01 # .rockbox dir is screwed up 15.56.15 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-50-12-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 15.57.32 # its a sign of the internal flash being on its way out 16.05.31 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 16.06.05 # i think i bricked it 16.08.49 # ok, is not bricked :) 16.09.14 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-50-12-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 16.22.54 # ok, it died during firmware update :| 16.25.28 # rockbox bootloader is still there. is there a way to force it into bootloader usb mode? 16.30.24 # sure just hold the center button 16.30.54 # what do you mean it died during fw update? 16.31.12 # it turns off automatically once the update is done 16.31.29 # it turned off after like 2 seconds 16.31.42 # stock firmware not booting now 16.31.43 # fun 16.31.48 # yeah maybe thats a bit quick 16.32.30 # the rockbox bootloader handles the stock fw as well they are packaged together 16.32.39 # are you using linux? 16.36.12 # yah 16.36.41 # this is fun 16.37.02 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 16.37.59 # so does the bootloader still come up on boot? 16.39.05 # i got it to "loading firmware" and it takes ages to say "no file found" 16.40.09 # whats the version on the bootloader 16.41.12 # i think it's fully bricked now 16.41.18 # when it was working, it was 4.00 16.41.42 # is this a 4gb unit? 16.42.56 # 8gb 16.43.21 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-100-123.customers.d1-online.com) 16.45.40 # what happens when you plug it into your pc? 16.49.55 # linux is having trouble IDing the device 16.50.22 # getting lots of "unable to enumerate device" in dmesg 16.51.07 Join voipmonk [0] (~voipmonk@138.68.2.1) 16.51.25 # weird 16.51.32 # whats lsusb show? 16.54.03 # sandisk corp. sansa clip+ (msc) 16.54.42 # seems i'm getting errors when trying to actually access the partition 16.54.54 # mass storage device comes up ok 16.55.24 # so you're probably right about the flash being the problem 16.55.28 # seems pretty dead 16.56.04 # well if we can get multiboot on there it will still be a usable device 16.56.28 # have you ever taken the clip+ apart? 16.56.33 # no 16.56.48 # do you fell comfortable in doing so 16.56.52 # feel* 16.57.16 # not tonight :P 16.57.18 # if we can get it into recovery mode we can try and write the bootloader directly 16.57.41 # https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick 16.58.14 # check that out when you have time I can guide you through the steps, there won't be any need for soldering 16.58.52 # thanks 16.59.41 # you'll need a spudger or credit card or guitar pick and a small screwdriver 16.59.52 # flat head and a phillps 16.59.56 # yah 17.02.05 # have probably lost my customised theme 17.02.14 Quit kugel (Read error: No route to host) 17.03.01 # is ok though. was going to switch it out anyway 17.03.47 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.04.31 # the data is probably still there 17.04.57 # no guarantee that it isn't corrupted though 17.22.46 Quit Strife1989 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.23.25 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-217.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.36.30 Join Strife1989 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-201.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.38.06 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.45.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.47.28 Quit __builtin (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.47.46 Join __builtin [0] (~xray@rockbox/developer/builtin) 17.53.49 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 17.59.41 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 18.02.03 # with my nwz-a17, there are all these folders in the 'contents' directory that keep coming back, and I dont want them 18.02.22 # DCIM, MP_ROOT, MPE_ROOT, MUSIC, PICTURE, PODCASTS, RECEIVED, VIDEO 18.02.41 # i've removed them from the rockbox interface, and removed them when the device is mounted, but they come right back 18.05.38 # also, the 'files' selection gets me an entire OS tree, and I need to go into contents to get to the actual things I want to play. on my previous device it would just go right into the actual files... i see there is a settings->file view->start file browser at / 18.05.47 # but i can't seem to change that to start the file browser at /contents or similar 18.41.59 # micah: they'll always come back so just stop losing time deleting them 18.43.20 # you can start browsing at /contents 18.43.45 # highlight the /contents folder, long press on play 18.43.50 # and select "start browsing here" 18.45.50 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 0fbd93b, 273 builds, 13 clients. 18.55.58 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 608 seconds. 18.55.59 # Build Server message: 3Revision 0fbd93b result: All green 18.56.44 # micah: for now there is no hope to remove those directories, they are automatically created by Sony. 18.58.18 # do those devices have the ability to run scripts at start-up maybe make one to auto-delete them or even hide? 18.59.14 # well, I don't understand why those folders are bothering someone 18.59.24 # if you don"t need them, just don't use them 18.59.38 # I agree with lebellium that I fail to see the problem 19.00.34 # probably just cluttering it up but I do see the point 19.00.51 # ignoring them.. 19.03.26 # I guess all famous brands (Samsung, Sony, Sandisk, Cowon etc) have done that for years so that if someone formats the device, he's not afraid seeing nothing at the root afterwards 19.06.16 # the customer feels reassured seeing his "Music" folder back by default and he just has to feed it again. 19.10.13 # Pamaury how do you feel about setting up the multiboot bootloader rockbox_main. and getting it committed so people are insatlling it by default 19.12.19 # it looks like it'll be awhile yet before we have a mainline capable of booting from the SD Card but at least the bootloader would already support it 19.13.01 # Arf. I should install that on my Clip+ and Clip Zip before the internal storage is dying 19.14.09 # Bilgus: can you recall me what needs to be added to the bootloader? I have no objection. Just remember that in any case it requires to release a new bootloader for targets if you want people to actually download and use it 19.15.34 # needs BOOTDATA in crt.0 and HAVE_BOOTDATA + rockbox.main defined in config 19.16.43 # we sent a mail for the mailing list right? 19.16.44 # right now it is set up to do the player name rockbox_main.clip+ clipzip etc johnb thought it might be better to use the Model# since thats already defined 19.17.17 # Yeah a long while ago where we kinda hashed out how it would work 19.18.38 # https://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2017-02/0000.shtml 19.20.11 # ah yes. Maybe reply to the mailing again explaining the final status, see if people have more comments and if not we submit. Well the model number is quite obscure, I guess we could falldown to model number if no user-friendly string is defined? But even then I suspect we want to enable that per target and it's a small addition 19.21.19 # yeah you do already have to add HAVE_BOOTDATA anyways 19.22.27 # I would say everything needs to be well documented in the code and commit text 19.22.38 # pamaury: thanks 19.23.30 # I think it pretty much is but i'll look it over 19.23.42 # lebellium: i often am looking through my audio trying to find things, and if I have to always ignore with my brain 8 ALLCAPSDIRECTORIES, then I'm having to use visual grep, when a computer can do that for me 19.24.22 # also, i'm looking often there with little time to make a change, so I have to scroll past them each time too 19.25.40 # anyways, its just clutter, i am OCD about keeping my stuff organized on the device, so I will just have to go wash my hands 500 times instead 19.27.32 Join pits [0] (~user@55.92-220-69.customer.lyse.net) 19.28.01 # maybe I will eventually manage to bypass Sony's database refreshing thingy and that will solve the problem. I have an idea about that but I haven't tried it yet. 19.30.59 # the database refresh is more annoying than the autogeneration of folders 19.32.37 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-188-16.mcn.bellsouth.net) 19.36.57 Quit Strife1989 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19.42.27 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.43.26 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 19.43.33 # i want to adjust the max volume, and I see where I can do that, but I dont know what the current max volume is set to 19.43.48 # it seems a little low for this device 19.45.44 # micah: not sure I understand, just press volume up until it stop ^^ 19.45.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.46.02 # lebellium: I think the destination settings affects max volume even in rockbox right? 19.47.04 # hum good question 19.47.13 # I don't even remember if I checked that point 19.47.41 # since it's RaaA it should be based on the Sony volume, right? 19.50.21 # well it depends if the volume is enforced in the driver or not. But I think it is 19.50.24 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 19.50.34 # micah: you might want to change destination using https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNWDestTool 19.51.22 # ask lebellium which destination to use 19.52.10 # Try "E" 19.54.44 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 19.55.55 # maybe I should provide a way to change destination in the debug menu 19.59.04 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@229.red-83-49-43.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) 20.07.30 # lebellium: got the NW-ZX300 info 20.08.45 Quit pits (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.08.46 # what for is it helpful? 20.09.42 # I got the kas, I don't know how to use it yet but at least we have it for the future 20.09.52 # I still can't determine the color thing though 20.10.24 # yeah the ZX300 is not a good example for the color... 20.10.43 # it will only be available in silver and also in black but in China only 20.16.20 # pamaury: the problem is I'm pressing volume up until it stops, and I'm constantly listening at rockbox's max volume, and it cannot go louder. However, under Settings->Maximum Volume Limit I can set different levels there. There is a list ranging from 4dB to -100dB, but I dont know what the current value here is set to 20.16.37 # * micah looks at https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNWDestTool 20.18.14 # in settings->maximum volume limit you can set a lower maximum volume but it won't be higher than the default max volume 20.21.21 # dest_tool get tells me: 20.21.22 # Destination: CA (301) 20.21.22 # Sound pressure: 0 (off) 20.22.02 # I think CA is already uncapped but not sure 20.23.06 # micah: try in the original firmware then 20.23.16 # it might just be that the device is not loud 20.23.33 # wiki shows dest_tool of CA as ? 20.23.49 # Yeah, the table comes from me 20.24.07 # It put "?" because I didn't try it 20.25.33 # tried max volume in the OF, it seemed louder, but I need to go back to RB to compare 20.27.06 # yeah its definitely louder, and seems to have a lot more bass 20.27.52 # hum, now this is weird. It appears that Sony might have change encryption again in NW-ZX300, the kas has again another format... 20.28.33 # about the bass level, can you check in the Sony Test Mode if in CA region, they put +X dB on bass? 20.28.40 # they did it for the E580 20.29.24 # micah: Sony has some funky audio settings like "acoustic mode", available in the driver, that do weird things (TM). Maybe Sony always enables them by default, I think Sony likes bassy boosted sounds these days 20.30.55 # hum no there is no bass settings in the test mode on NWZ-A10 20.31.12 # lebellium: Tools Menu->Service menu->Audio ? 20.32.10 # Audio has a submenu->OUTPUT, SN, F1, F2, SEPLR, SEPRL, MAXOUT, NMLZR, SPCHK, SPKCHK, USER1, USER2, USER3, HIRES 20.32.21 # yes 20.32.48 # there isn't what I expected 20.33.16 # wow F1... i thought that there was a huge truck idling outside 20.33.37 # you shouldn't test all things with earphones in your ears 20.33.40 # it's risky 20.33.51 # halfway through testing those... 20.33.53 # haha 20.34.01 # thanks, i'll stop 20.35.03 # should I try to set the destination to E? 20.36.17 # you can try but I really think that CA is already uncapped and that your headphone is too demanding 20.36.43 # pamaury: it's not possible to test the different audio modes in the debug meny anymore? 20.36.48 # I can't find it 20.36.49 # but then why is it louder in the OF? 20.37.00 # lebellium: no, I wanted to turned them into proper settings 20.37.10 # except I didn't yet, but that can be fixed easily 20.37.20 # ok 20.37.36 # micah: as pamaury said, there are several (I guess 3) different audio modes in the Sony driver 20.37.45 # it may be that Rocbox doesn't use the same as the OF 20.37.56 # when he'll add that to Rockbox you can try and compare 20.38.29 # during my earlier beta tests, one mode was very noisy so we switched to another one 20.39.48 # lebellium: yeah but the noise was due to a bug in Sony's driver I think, now it's fixed because we workaround this bug 20.39.53 # * pamaury adds some settings 20.40.46 # ok. once I've done the `dest_tool set` how do I reset the settings on the device? 20.40.59 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.43.21 # Hi Pamaury did you find out what caused the bus error at 40b19078 address 0x00000000? 20.43.30 # robertd1: no :( 20.43.51 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision ff62528, 273 builds, 13 clients. 20.43.52 # Sony>settings>common settings>reset/format>reset all settings 20.44.21 # jhMikeS: ping 20.44.54 # lebellium: thanks 20.44.57 # pamaury I recompiled, the error was gone, then it reappeared again after shutdown :-( 20.45.21 Quit paulk-gagarine (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.45.33 # it's completely random on my device, that makes it very hard to debug 20.46.04 # pamaury: yes? 20.47.12 # jhMikeS: I want to add some "audio" settings on Sony, we don't really know what they do and they are boolean. Should I add them to audiohw_setting.h or directly in the settings in apps/ ? 20.47.44 # (they are specific to the hardware so I'm not sure they should go in audiohw_setting) 20.47.45 # pamaury: have more info? 20.48.00 # they should go in a header for the hardware really 20.48.36 # One is called "acoustic" mode, and the other "cuerev". They change the volume curve but I haven't really identified what was the intended purpose 20.48.42 # ok 20.50.36 # basically like how the wm*.h headers are set up with the "AUDIOHW_SETTING" macros. It still needs hooking up with settings.c the usual way. 20.52.01 # though if they're just booleans and don't have units or a scale, AUDIOHW_SETTING probably isn't really required 20.52.13 # they are just boolean so I won't use AUDIOHW_SETTING 20.53.18 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 567 seconds. 20.53.19 # Build Server message: 3Revision ff62528 result: All green 20.54.55 Join paulk-gagarine [0] (~paulk-gag@gagarine.paulk.fr) 21.13.15 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-101-179.customers.d1-online.com) 21.18.12 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: Lost terminal) 21.23.56 # pamaury: can precise in the settings name which one is used by Sony like "acoustic mode (OF)" for example 21.26.46 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.28.16 Join _Bilgus [0] (~Bilgus@unaffiliated/bilgus) 21.28.22 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 21.30.57 Quit Bilgus (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.31.23 # lebellium: at first I will make it reappear in the debug menu and have a clean API for this. Then I'll push the setting if it turns out to be useful 21.31.32 # ok 21.31.40 # lebellium: I don't think the OF has an equivalent setting 21.31.54 # it doesn't 21.32.14 # but to help the user choose and understand, it would be nice to know which one of the 3 modes is used in OF 21.32.25 # see micah questions 21.33.33 # I don't know, for all I know it might depend on other things, like the audio output or it might be part of the implementation of some Sony's settings 21.33.38 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 21.45.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.59.24 Join PimpiN8 [0] (~textual@ip51cd65d5.speed.planet.nl) 22.01.12 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision afbae17, 273 builds, 13 clients. 22.02.23 # I've pushed acoustic and cuerev mode code in the debug menu 22.02.41 # the settings are in g#1691 but I prefer to wait to see before adding potentially useless settings 22.02.43 # 3Gerrit review #1691 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1691 : 3sonynwz: turn "acoustic" and "cuerev" into proper settings (DON'T PUSH) by Amaury Pouly 22.10.26 # lebellium: I'm looking into adding bass and treble settings since those appear to be supported by the hardware. There is also what I suspect is Sony's "Clear Stereo". Do you know what this is? 22.10.48 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 576 seconds. 22.10.49 # Build Server message: 3Revision afbae17 result: All green 22.51.25 # lebellium: are you sure the NWZ-A10 can't detect whether the headphones are inserted? 23.21.53 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.22.04 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 23.22.22 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 23.23.20 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 23.23.42 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip5b411f76.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 23.23.42 Quit kugel (Changing host) 23.23.42 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.25.59 Quit advcomp2019 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.29.15 # pamaury: sorry, was watching a movie 23.29.25 # at least I'm sure the OF doesn't make use of it if the feature exists 23.29.48 Quit kugel (Quit: Lost terminal) 23.30.34 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.31.42 # In OF there is a "ClearAudio+" sound setting. On older models I think it was called Clear Stereo 23.33.09 # yes, on the E360 there is "Clear Stereo" 23.34.16 # I don't know what it does, I don't hear any difference 23.35.04 # I don't see "Clear Stereo" on the A10 and "Clear Audio +" is different 23.35.22 # Ok, I'm disassembling the drivers and it's not clear this Clear Stereo thing is even implemented, it's no-op 23.35.52 # Clear Stereo is a common feature on Sony but maybe it was just disabled on the A10 because they noticed it's useless :P 23.35.54 # <_Bilgus> lol I bet someone somewhere swears it makes a difference :p 23.36.01 # also bass and treble don't seem to be (afaict) easy to change from the API. One needs to turn the codec off and on for the value change to take effect I think 23.36.16 Join sielicki [0] (~sielicki@unaffiliated/n1cky) 23.36.31 # about bass and treble, it's strange that there is no setting in the Sony Test mode compared to other players like E580 23.36.57 # _Bilgus: even if it's not implemented, it's changes a boolean a memory, some audiophile is bound to hear this difference. I'm sure a boolean set to true can increase the SNR of the headphone 23.37.53 Quit kugel (Quit: Lost terminal) 23.38.35 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.39.09 # there are some audio differences between the E580 and A10. I don't know for the A10 if you pay more for better sound but at least you pay more for something different :D 23.40.23 # pamaury: oh, the E580 also has "Clear Stereo" like the E360 23.40.27 # but the A10 doesn't 23.41.24 # but the A20 does! 23.41.55 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 23.42.05 # that doesn't make any sense 23.42.40 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.43.08 # there are more sound settings difference between A10 and A20 than I thought... 23.45.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.45.55 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 23.46.40 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.46.50 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 23.48.41 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip5b411f76.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 23.48.41 Quit kugel (Changing host) 23.48.41 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.51.12 Quit kugel (Client Quit)