--- Log for 14.11.117 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 14 days ago 00.00.46 # <__builtin> maybe move over to #rockbox-community? 00.00.50 # I just know that someone is working with it to develop a Rockbox build for it. 00.01.43 # Windows 10 created a whole lot of different issues, got done dealing that at work for about 4 hours 00.06.36 Part WilliamC ("Leaving") 00.22.39 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 00.22.46 Quit ender` (Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. — Jeremy S. 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I got it working on an X-Fi. This is great. My question is about the virtual keyboard. I worked out how to add a character to a string or delete a character from a string (say for a playlist name) but I don't know how to save a string when I'm done with it. Do you know this off the top of your head with the small round X-Fi buttons? 07.53.04 # I checked in the manuals, but I believe there is not yet a manual for any Creative, isn't that right? 07.53.05 # Thanks 07.57.16 Quit pixelma (Quit: .) 07.57.16 Quit amiconn (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) 07.57.46 # asymsucon manual sez 15k and 10/20/40 mv p2p https://imgur.com/a/yobzJ 07.58.18 # I am also hearing a beep when I press the "right" key in the grid of 9. I don't know if this means my string is illegal. It currently says //Playlists.m3u8 in the entry line 07.59.06 # that should be in the playlists directory 07.59.13 # I think its a bug 07.59.30 # okay 08.01.59 # 2.95V with 5.7uV ripple 08.02.09 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.02.09 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.02.50 # Do you know if I can make an empty playlist with a name, back on my PC, bring it over while connected with USB, and have the name show up? 08.04.12 # Oops, I misread "I think its a bug" as directed to me :) 08.04.41 # Looks OK, EM258 fit those specs 08.04.44 # yeah a bug that it doesn't create it in /playlists/ 08.05.16 # ah-- it was -- sorry. I thought it was part of the other discussion. I got it now. 08.05.28 # but the increased sensitivity might be an issue 08.05.34 # if you create it on the pc and bring it back you'll have to disconnect from usb to be able to use the file browser again 08.05.56 # okay 08.06.05 # -40.5dB stock vs -32dB for EM258 08.06.33 # asymsucon, resistor divider.. 08.06.47 # yep, I was thinking the same 08.07.01 # it'll change the response somewhat 08.07.10 # but for such small size, only SMD parts make sense 08.07.37 # you might need a filter cap too if it skews it too much 08.08.23 # Even the stock one seem to be very hot for recording :) 08.08.25 # smd are actually pretty easy to make little micro circuits with from pcb and a dremel 08.09.24 # the grabbing them and not dropping them is the part I find difficult 08.09.50 # and for one offs the thrift store is your friend 08.10.17 # The thing is as EM258 has FET inside, it's very sensitive to temperature so with resistive divider I couldn't mount it directly on PCB 08.11.56 # you saying during assembly? 08.12.34 # Yes, I think everything above 200°C could be disastrous for the mic 08.13.02 # But only one way to find out :) 08.13.44 # Fortunately I have some spare Cardas solder which melts at 170°C 08.14.15 # That is if I could find out how to get the old mic out of the PCB 08.15.14 # i'd carve it off with a cutting disk 08.19.29 # Ha! That's great. Making the folder beforehand under /Playlists works excellent. I am not accustomed to the two-way interoperability of having my device formatted as FAT, or "Removable Disk". I have been stuck with adding star ratings to songs and then needing to propagate them back to my computer so that I can take the "bad" out of circulation and stop listening to it. Rockbox is an improvement! I'm a big fan as of now. 08.19.48 # thanks for the help 08.22.16 # then for the circuit i'd do it on a single side of a double sided board https://imgur.com/a/PpL1c 08.22.47 # align the two holes with the old mic and put the new pads 90 degrees rotated 08.23.26 # then you can solder two wires on old pads and put through the holes and solder the new mic with some small leads 08.23.32 # assuming it would fit 08.23.38 # kevin_2 np 08.24.36 # I suppose single sided would work too but I figure double sided might give you better shielding if you tie it to the ground 08.25.40 # thanks @Bilgus 08.26.16 # I'm seeing one issue though - with resistive divider, the supply voltage will be lower, not just signal level 08.27.24 # any attenuation would do that though.. 08.28.34 # any other chance to attenuate on software/firmware level while preserving 0dBFS? 08.29.03 # and now that you mention it the typ value is already below the vss for the mic 08.29.26 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.29.48 # btw, this is the capsule - http://micbooster.com/datasheets/EM258.pdf 08.30.42 # yeah I was looking at it they are pretty sparse on details 08.31.57 # I'm sure you could tweak the gain but w/o knowing just which input the original mic is connected to it soiunds like trial an error 08.32.49 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.37.08 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.39.08 # https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/03dd4b92be7dcd5c8ab06da3810887060e06abd5/firmware/drivers/audio/as3514.c 08.42.48 # its mic1 and the agc is 28/34/40 08.43.19 # https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/03dd4b92be7dcd5c8ab06da3810887060e06abd5/firmware/export/as3514.h#L202 08.49.32 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 08.50.13 # Clip+ seems more suited for this, it's slightly thicker and there's a hole for the mic, not quite on Zip 08.52.53 # yeah the zip has a tiny hole but it seems oddly placed 08.54.55 # the zip is more sensitive and seems more directional too 08.55.13 # sorry less directional* 09.00.24 # I don't see any hole on mine. There is something what appears to be a hole right next to the power button, but it looks like gripping point for disassembly. 09.02.38 # maybe.. but I can't see them caring about disassembly 09.03.19 Join PimpiN8 [0] (~textual@2a02:a454:38ea:1:8403:4ab0:aa83:636b) 09.04.12 Quit PimpiN8 (Client Quit) 09.05.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.08.38 # Just checked and the stock mic is not that hot, there's just a lot of handling noise from the body 09.10.39 # wonder if you could stuff some foam in around it 09.13.19 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-109-47.customers.d1-online.com) 09.14.43 Join PimpiN8 [0] (~textual@2a02:a454:38ea:1:e946:6fa9:4b0f:b2f) 09.29.09 Quit kevin_2 (Quit: Page closed) 09.29.43 Nick GodEater` is now known as GodEater (~whoknows@176.251.181.190) 09.29.55 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 09.29.55 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.40.21 # It'd be best to keep the mic partially floating 09.41.03 # As it is now, the vibrations are transferred straight from PCB 09.52.04 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.55.50 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@71.16.157.226) 10.00.11 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.03.47 # saratoga mentioned some time ago that Opus could use some optimizations - does that still apply for current build? 10.04.01 Quit GodEater (Quit: Coyote finally caught me) 10.05.13 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 10.08.08 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.11.29 Join dys [0] (~dys@2003:5b:203b:100:6af7:28ff:fe06:801) 10.55.11 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10.57.59 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.00.48 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@201.red-83-54-194.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) 11.05.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.11.01 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.20.31 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.25.04 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.26.34 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.28.07 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.29.32 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 11.38.00 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 11.47.51 Join dandels [0] (~dandels@unaffiliated/dandels) 11.48.21 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 11.50.17 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.57.16 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.02.48 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.04.10 Join lebellium [0] (~hexchat@2a01cb0802f8590028b90e8cec8bc6d2.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.22.53 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.26.23 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 12.29.49 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 12.37.14 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.39.12 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 12.46.53 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@AMarseille-653-1-124-23.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.47.16 Quit dandels (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.54.00 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.55.26 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.55.58 Join dandels [0] (~dandels@unaffiliated/dandels) 13.02.37 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@78-23-23-252.access.telenet.be) 13.02.37 Quit p3tur (Changing host) 13.02.37 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.02.50 Join deevious_ [0] (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 13.04.15 Quit deevious (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.04.15 Nick deevious_ is now known as deevious (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 13.05.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.51 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.07.24 Nick p3tur is now known as petur (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.08.25 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 13.10.50 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 13.15.26 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.28.46 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 13.57.36 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@71.16.157.226) 14.02.31 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14.05.41 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@24.152.198.8.res-cmts.eph2.ptd.net) 14.07.04 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.08.11 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 14.18.24 Join parchd [0] (~parchd@unaffiliated/parchd) 14.40.55 Quit PimpiN8 (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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