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that all memory values are in GiB, but it says GB 07.50.26 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.50.30 # on the sansa clip+ 07.57.47 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 08.11.10 Join deevious [0] (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 08.11.27 Quit _meg (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 08.13.01 Join _meg [0] (~notsure@211.25.203.45) 08.17.03 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.25.06 Quit tchan (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.39.02 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 08.57.55 # <_Bilgus> I think both are acceptable in disks and memory its just do you want to define a byte as 1000 or 1024 and disks are usually 1000, I think the GiB versions came around ~99?? 08.59.18 # it's more that if you use one value, but use the markings of the other value, it's not right 09.00.21 # <_Bilgus> IIRC linux uses 1000 bytes and windows uses 1024 or maybe I have that reversed 09.00.35 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.03.29 # 1024 byte equals 1 kibibyte 09.06.42 # <_Bilgus> on windows my 8gb flash drive is 7.38GB on linux it is 7.9GB 09.07.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.07.54 # my micro SD has a total capacity of 197GB, which is 183.471 GiB, and rockbox tells me it has a 183GB capacity. changing the locale should make it right 09.08.41 # <_Bilgus> sounds nitpicky to me.. 09.08.53 # it's 2 different measurements 09.09.03 # <_Bilgus> but both are accepted 09.09.04 # it's like saying 2 inch is 2 dm 09.09.49 # <_Bilgus> its like saying we sell footlong subway subs but they are nominally 11.2 inches 09.10.35 # if 1 GB equalled 1 GiB, sure. 09.13.40 # I don't think that debate will ever end 09.13.45 # <_Bilgus> in disks and memory it does 09.13.51 # what 09.14.13 # 1 GB is never equal to 1 GiB 09.14.27 # you can say that you don't care, but you can't say they are the same, ever 09.14.33 # <_Bilgus> in the fine print 1GB = 1 billion bytes 09.15.03 # <_Bilgus> I'm saying in the marketing sense not in real bytes 09.15.28 # they are wrong 09.16.16 # <_Bilgus> sure but its been that way for what .. ever? 09.16.29 # doesn't mean we shouldn't correct a wrong 09.16.31 # er 09.16.33 # right a wrong 09.17.06 # especially on a somewhat technical, hobbyist project 09.17.58 # it doesn't cost anything to display the correct unit prefix and I don't think people would be confused by the use of binary prefixes 09.18.07 # everyone will understand what 1 GiB is 09.18.37 # <[Saint]> I'm sorry, what? 09.19.04 # hi there! 09.19.11 # <[Saint]> Why in the name of any deity you hold dear should this be governed by the locale? 09.19.27 # <[Saint]> I mean...what?!? 09.19.33 # yeah that doesn't sound right 09.19.37 # well 09.19.43 # <[Saint]> It's not. That's why. ;) 09.19.48 # [Saint]: GiB in French is Gio 09.19.53 Join dandels [0] (~dandels@unaffiliated/dandels) 09.19.56 # so I guess he has a point there 09.19.57 # <_Bilgus> I think if I were to change it I'd keep it GB so we don't have to add KiB, Gib, Mib 09.20.23 # <[Saint]> Hah, I was just typing that _Bilgus 09.20.32 # <[Saint]> Not A Bug: ship it 09.20.49 # <[Saint]> Oh, we already did, that's progress! 09.22.17 # wait 09.22.24 # is Rockbox localized? 09.22.51 # I've always run it in English 09.23.20 # <[Saint]> Yes. 09.23.23 # <_Bilgus> even rtl languages 09.23.32 # dang 09.23.46 # <[Saint]> We even have theme support for it. 09.23.48 # <_Bilgus> there is a metric fucktonne of logic going into localization 09.24.07 # [Saint]: that I know, from your funky lines of theme markup ;-) 09.24.28 # _Bilgus: are you sure it's a metric fucktonne and not an imperial fuckton? 09.24.34 # <_Bilgus> see. 09.24.37 # :) 09.24.40 # <[Saint]> Sx(string_in_english_lang) automatically translates to the locale or fallback to english if untranslated. 09.25.00 # <[Saint]> Cabbie uses it for "of" 09.26.03 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 09.29.28 # <[Saint]> RTL support is pretty screwy. There's a lot of niche cases where it can go wrong. But it "works". 09.30.20 # <[Saint]> Significantly more so if the theme author put some forethought into it, but it's an easy case to miss. I wouldn't blame anyone for it. 09.31.43 # <[Saint]> Not flipping bar fill direction before that was done automatically was a fairly common bug reported against it for a while. 09.32.25 # <[Saint]> Now when it does pop up it's usually symbols in the wrong places because people forget about them. 09.33.22 # <[Saint]> So (in RTL equivalent) it ends up being %100 and dB70- kinda shit. 09.34.06 Join dys [0] (~dys@tmo-103-110.customers.d1-online.com) 09.34.30 # <_Bilgus> so if you all want GB to == 1000 bytes you need to go through and scale evrything in fixed point (GiB * 1074) /1000 and you need to make sure you change every instance because a lack of consistency would be worse than it is currently 09.35.19 # <_Bilgus> consistently wrong is better than a mixed format throught 09.36.28 # <_Bilgus> but personally I can't really see why it matters 09.39.51 # no-one really counts filesizes in powers of 10 09.40.01 # *that* would be confusing 09.40.27 # <_Bilgus> I know kB and KB are accepted ways of signifying the two I wonder if gB and GB are accepted forms as well 09.40.38 # no 09.40.55 # k is a standard prefix from the internal system of units 09.40.56 # kilo 09.41.00 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-24-93.net.upcbroadband.cz) 09.41.04 # g is gram 09.41.10 # G is giga 09.41.13 # Gi is Gibi 09.41.20 # K is Kelvin 09.41.55 # <_Bilgus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte#1000_bytes 09.42.10 # <_Bilgus> I'm well aware of metric prefixes 09.42.15 # This debate is really annoying. There are standards for this. 09.43.34 # <_Bilgus> If i were truly worried about something like this I think we should put on the main page 1GB = 1 billion bytes and be done with it 09.43.53 # not if you report 1 GiB as 1 GB 09.44.26 # I don't know why everyone is still stuck with the old ways 09.44.43 # it's not complicated, it's not confusing, it's not hard 09.44.53 # <_Bilgus> Oh I guess it wasn't 99 it was december of 1998 09.44.59 # the standard lift the confusion 09.45.07 # lifts 09.54.06 Quit CH23 (Quit: Leaving) 09.56.48 # <[Saint]> You've reminded me of why I hate many vehicle speedometers copper. 09.56.59 # <[Saint]> 100Kelvinmeters. 09.57.04 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.57.05 # hehe 09.57.20 # indeed 09.57.48 # that's pretty… COLD, if you ask me! 09.58.48 # <[Saint]> I find it pretty fitting to have a Frenchy in this discussion. Lord knows what we'd be using if you guys didn't say "fuck it, let's get on the same page". 09.59.10 # <[Saint]> I often wonder about what would be were it not for the formation of SI. 09.59.29 # <_Bilgus> Is that with the kings dong or the queens? 10.00.26 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-179-124.sxct.qwest.net) 10.00.26 Quit advcomp2019 (Changing host) 10.00.26 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 10.02.56 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.15.11 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10.18.32 Join dys [0] (~dys@2003:5b:203b:100:6af7:28ff:fe06:801) 10.25.26 # <_Bilgus> there is already the fuctionality to scale 1024 vs 1000 https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/03dd4b92be7dcd5c8ab06da3810887060e06abd5/apps/misc.c#L127 10.26.49 # <_Bilgus> just need these to be false.. https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/03dd4b92be7dcd5c8ab06da3810887060e06abd5/apps/menus/main_menu.c#L220 10.27.02 # if (bin_scale) fraction = fraction * 1000 / 1024; 10.27.03 # wth? 10.27.42 # <_Bilgus> binary scale 10.29.42 # <_Bilgus> I think (val * 1074) /1000 is better but if it works 10.30.29 # That would give a wrong answer! 10.30.53 # * [Saint] maintains this is true as well 10.31.11 # <_Bilgus> sorry backwards 10.31.52 # * gevaerts mostly saw the 1074 :) 10.31.59 # <[Saint]> Well, I meant that on two levels. If it was right it would *still* give the wrong answer. 10.32.31 # <[Saint]> "right" to me is "do precisely nothing". 10.32.42 # <[Saint]> But that's understandably contentious. 10.33.14 # <_Bilgus> anyways just pass false and GB will be 'proper' 10.33.55 # <[Saint]> .ie wrong 10.33.58 # <[Saint]> :p 10.34.49 # <[Saint]> Whatever happens at least we all agree that the locale has zero business governing that behavior. 10.35.33 # <[Saint]> I'm genuinely against switches for the sake of switches but this *might* be the kinda thing we should offer via a developer setting. 10.36.25 # <_Bilgus> Idk I come from a time when 1024 was a byte 10.37.07 # <_Bilgus> well 1024 bytes was a megabyte 10.37.07 # you mean a KB 10.37.12 # <_Bilgus> yes lol 10.37.13 # what 10.37.20 Quit asaba (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io) 10.37.35 # 1024 * 1024 was a megabyte 10.38.05 Quit dandels (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.38.15 Join asaba [0] (~asaba@108.61.223.234) 10.40.23 # <_Bilgus> yes and while we are at it, val * 977 /1000 10.41.37 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.41.41 # what 10.41.45 # jesus 10.42.05 # it all looks so wrong 10.42.10 # <_Bilgus> no lets not bring mexico into this 10.45.03 # let's just start throwing random numbers around 10.45.37 # <_Bilgus> Isn't that what we were already doing? 10.46.25 # you were, for sure 10.46.42 # <_Bilgus> no they had very specific purposes 10.46.51 # 1074? 10.48.06 # <_Bilgus> 1 GiB = 1.07374 GB 11.01.52 Quit CR0W (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.05.52 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.06.54 Join CR0W [0] (narf@2001:0:53aa:64c:3839:25a4:b306:4fe9) 11.06.54 Quit CR0W (Changing host) 11.06.54 Join CR0W [0] (narf@unaffiliated/em64t) 11.07.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.13.17 # No, no, no, no, no! 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ZZZzzz…) 16.53.41 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:c8d4:3c1e:2ed5:385f) 16.55.58 Quit ZincAlloy (Client Quit) 16.56.27 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:c8d4:3c1e:2ed5:385f) 17.06.47 # _Bilgus: yes I know but 1) you're using a float to produce an int, and 2) that value works only for GiB; there's still KiB and MiB to deal with 17.07.09 # doing the conversion that way is the wrong way 17.08.00 # The right solution is to use binary units because that's what everyone expects, and thus use the right prefixes (KiB, MiB, GiB) 17.08.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.09.02 # I don't know why there's so much resistance for this. 17.09.11 # That would be ohms 17.09.23 # lol 17.09.43 # nice one :) 17.10.51 # Anyway, it's been a solved problem for nearly, what, three decades? 17.11.02 # adopt the solution already, geez 17.11.10 Quit deevious (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 17.11.26 Join deevious [0] (~Thunderbi@193.226.142.214) 17.12.00 # <_Bilgus> output_dyn_value() does it in a valid way 17.15.49 # <_Bilgus> and for the remaining fraction 977/1000 would not be float 17.17.00 # I don't understand why this line is there: fraction = fraction * 1000 / 1024; 17.17.52 # oh, I think I get it 17.17.56 # <_Bilgus> to get the fractional part? 17.19.08 # And what sets bin_scale to false, currently? 17.19.32 # <_Bilgus> whomever calls the function I presume 17.19.39 # Duh. 17.20.25 # Obviously. 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Either is fine. 22.36.56 # preset like a preset setting? or is preset also an audio term? 22.37.18 Join CH23 [0] (~CH23@dhcp-077-250-002-024.chello.nl) 22.38.01 # It's a tennis term I believe 22.39.03 # _Bilgus: sorry for not having been here during the whol discussion,i'll try the patch ASAP 22.40.54 # <[Saint]> amayer: I honestly don't know. 22.41.11 # <[Saint]> looking at the source I'm not even sure it's used, but...I have to recreate it. 22.41.30 # <[Saint]> I /think/ it's an FM Radio thing. 22.41.36 # <__builtin> [Saint]: perm_data_setting is probably the closest thing 22.41.53 # <__builtin> settings gear with a triangle 22.41.55 # <[Saint]> But, basically, just go with your gut. Everything helps me. I really appreciate it. 22.42.11 # <[Saint]> OK __builtin, I'll have a look, thank you very much. 22.42.27 # <[Saint]> You guys are all very good to me. Like I say, I appreciate it very much. 22.43.23 # <__builtin> or maybe just "settings application" 22.43.24 # <[Saint]> __builtin: find-in-page goes bonkers on that site, which block of icons is that in? 22.43.32 # <[Saint]> Action/Alert/etc. 22.43.50 # <__builtin> you can CTRL+F perm data setting 22.43.56 # <__builtin> (no underscore) 22.45.13 # <__builtin> anything with a settings gear and an abstract shape is probably the closest you'll get 22.45.26 # it's hard to choose something when you don't have context 22.45.34 # <[Saint]> You /should/ be able to, but it lazy loads shit making find-in-page kinda awkward. 22.46.00 # <[Saint]> CH23: it is, yes, it appears to be referring to FM Radio station presets. 22.46.41 # ahh, cool. 22.47.14 # <[Saint]> CH23: for reference and further context, I'm rebuilding the icons/viewer icons 22.47.31 # <[Saint]> It's time for the theme to break out of 1990 22.48.09 # <__builtin> [Saint]: hmm, if it's for the radio then what I said doesn't make too much sense 22.48.12 # <[Saint]> I mean, don't get me wrong, I love CabbieV2 and the Tango! icon set, it's just...well, yeah. It's time for a refresh. 22.48.25 Quit dandels (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.49.00 # messageWhat will you use for scan mode? 22.49.29 # <[Saint]> AFAIR that doesn't even get an icon 22.50.11 # messageSettings input antenna 22.50.31 # <[Saint]> CH23: what's going on with your client? 22.50.43 # <[Saint]> It's prepending 'message' before everything. 22.51.06 # i'm trying a new one on my 3ds, why? 22.52.03 # <[Saint]> [21112017104902] messageWhat will you use for scan mode? 22.52.03 # <[Saint]> [21112017104931] <[Saint]> AFAIR that doesn't even get an icon 22.52.03 # <[Saint]> [21112017105013] messageSettings input antenna 22.52.17 # ah yeah it's automatically filling the messagebox with that; i need to manually delete it 22.52.30 # <[Saint]> ...gross. 22.53.04 # what's worse is that it doesn't let me see my own messages 22.54.28 Quit CH23 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.54.37 # <[Saint]> __builtin: I think I'm going to go with "star rate" 22.54.43 # <[Saint]> It lends itself to a degree of ambiguity 22.54.58 # <__builtin> yes, it does 22.55.36 Join CH23 [0] (4dfa0218@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.250.2.24) 22.55.44 # <[Saint]> Thanks for your input guys, I'll give a yell in channel when I have the main iconset done so you guys can have a look at what I'm doing. 22.55.58 # <__builtin> yeah, I'd be interested 22.56.10 # <__builtin> what you're doing here sounds really cool 22.56.18 # looking forward to it 23.02.16 # <__builtin> the themesite's rating sort feature could use some work 23.08.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.02 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@d192-24-173-177.try.wideopenwest.com) 23.19.09 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.20.12 # <[Saint]> One thing that's going to be mildly annoying is that there's absolutely no way I can put this theme on the theme site. 23.20.28 # <[Saint]> It breaks pretty much every expectation the theme site has. 23.21.15 # because it's better? 23.21.21 # <__builtin> does it have a name yet? 23.21.38 # <[Saint]> "immaterial", it's a bit of a pun. 23.21.49 # <__builtin> I like it :) 23.22.03 # <[Saint]> it's heavily material design influenced, and it's incredibly dynamic. 23.24.14 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.31.53 Join MrZeus_ [0] (~MrZeus@81.144.218.162) 23.32.13 Quit St0neHead (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.32.13 Quit preglow (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.32.21 Join St0neHead [0] (stonehead@2a01:7e00:e001:3700:6667::2) 23.32.33 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.35.44 Join preglow [0] (~thomj@2001:840:4243:3::101) 23.36.29 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 23.37.51 Quit MrZeus_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.43.58 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 23.46.42 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 23.56.52 Quit ender` (Quit: Last year's was always better. — Law of Regressive Achievement)