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02.19.00 #       <__builtin> CheetahPixie: what for?
02.32.30 #       <CheetahPixie> Curiosity's sake.
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02.37.54 #       <__builtin> we distribute test plugins in the releases
02.38.08 #       <__builtin> I think test_fps is what you're looking for
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02.45.53 #       <CheetahPixie> hmm
02.48.14 #       <CheetahPixie> Not in the dev builds?
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02.48.21 #       <CheetahPixie> I got a dev build and no test_fps.
02.48.25 #       <CheetahPixie> __builtin
02.48.32 #       <__builtin> only releases
02.49.40 #       <CheetahPixie> Any way to smuggle the plugin in?
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02.51.30 #       <__builtin> I could compile a build for you but that would take longer than having you download the release
02.51.51 #       <CheetahPixie> So the dev builds are incompatible with release plugins?
02.53.09 #       <__builtin> yes
02.53.31 #       <CheetahPixie> What causes that? Internal API changes or resource movement or something else?
02.53.50 #       <CheetahPixie> Or, well, ABI or whatever.
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02.55.14 #       <__builtin> the plugins are very tightly bound to the core
02.55.23 #       <CheetahPixie> Also, anywhere to report bugs?
02.55.30 #       <__builtin> there's no dynamic linking or any of that like you see with ELF and the like
02.55.42 #       <__builtin> either here or on our bugtracker
02.55.44 #       <CheetahPixie> I noticed that in newer versions my Ubuntu install seems to not pick up my iPod at all.
02.55.54 #       <__builtin> what's the output of `lsusb'?
02.56.10 #       <CheetahPixie> Essentially, my Windows machine picks it up both in iPodOS and Rockbox.
02.56.19 #       <CheetahPixie> Bus 001 Device 013: ID 05ac:1260 Apple, Inc. iPod Nano 2.Gen+
02.56.24 #       <CheetahPixie> ...Oops, ignore the +.
02.56.41 #       <__builtin> run `lsblk'
02.56.58 #       <CheetahPixie> Sees it.
02.57.09 #       <CheetahPixie> ...Not showing up, for some reason.
02.57.16 #       <CheetahPixie> Detects two partitions, though.
02.57.18 #       <__builtin> are the partitions visible?
02.57.31 #       <__builtin> and what are their sizes?
02.57.38 #       <CheetahPixie> Yes, sdc1 and sdc2; 94M and 3.7G.
02.57.58 #       <__builtin> try mounting sdc2 manually
02.58.08 #       <__builtin> i.e. `sudo mount /dev/sdc2 <SOME_DIRECTORY>'
02.58.20 #       <CheetahPixie> file reports "block special (8/33)" for sdc1 (the 94M one) and "block special (8/34) for sdc2.
02.58.37 #       <CheetahPixie> I'm gonna use udisksctl to do it through the regular mechanism.
02.58.45 #       <__builtin> does it mount manually?
02.59.00 #       <CheetahPixie> One moment.
02.59.39 #       <CheetahPixie> Think it did.
02.59.48 #       <CheetahPixie> ...Not sure.
02.59.59 #       <CheetahPixie> Nope.
02.59.59 #       <__builtin> any output when running the mount command?
03.00.10 #       <CheetahPixie> Nothing at all.
03.00.12 #       <CheetahPixie> Just hangs.
03.00.19 #       <__builtin> it might take a while
03.00.25 #       <CheetahPixie> Sure. I got time.
03.00.54 #       <CheetahPixie> What codecs does mpegplayer support?
03.01.05 #       <CheetahPixie> also: it mounts the ipod OF side without any issue.
03.01.17 #       <CheetahPixie> This is on latest dev build, by the way.
03.01.20 #       <__builtin> MPEG-2
03.01.35 #       <__builtin> and MPEG-1
03.01.37 #       <__builtin> (I think)\
03.01.41 #       <CheetahPixie> Is there anything that plays x264?
03.01.44 #       <CheetahPixie> Or x265 etc
03.01.59 #       <__builtin> nope
03.02.04 #       <CheetahPixie> crap
03.02.09 #       <CheetahPixie> Would it be hard to implement?
03.02.44 #       <CheetahPixie> And are there any other video codecs that are compatible with some player available, either standard or as an extra plugin?
03.04.16 #       <__builtin> I think the old monochrome archos players supported some rockbox-specific raw video format, nothing apart from that
03.04.31 #       <__builtin> and the ipod OF may or may not do other codecs
03.04.37 #       <__builtin> I'm not sure, though
03.05.07 #       <__builtin> and as for x264/x265, that's probably impractical
03.05.21 #       <CheetahPixie> Well
03.05.28 #       <CheetahPixie> The Nano OF doesn't do video at all.
03.05.36 #       <CheetahPixie> ...That was of course segregated to the iPod Video only.
03.06.07 #       <__builtin> you're probably stuck transcoding to MPEG-2
03.06.20 #       <CheetahPixie> Egh
03.06.29 #       <CheetahPixie> Well, guess that's... enough.
03.06.35 #       <CheetahPixie> I tried MP4 and VP9.
03.06.37 #       <CheetahPixie> Neither worked.
03.06.40 #       <CheetahPixie> Was curious why.
03.07.27 #       <__builtin> no software support
03.07.36 #       <CheetahPixie> Found that out now.
03.07.42 #       <CheetahPixie> How practical would newer MPEG formats and VP9 be?
03.07.50 #       <CheetahPixie> The VP9 spec is open, after all.
03.07.58 #       <CheetahPixie> Can the plugins use external libraries?
03.08.20 #       <__builtin> there are open implementations of h264/h265 decoding as well
03.08.24 #       <__builtin> and yes, but not easily
03.08.40 #       <CheetahPixie> Because of optimization or somesuch?
03.08.44 #       <CheetahPixie> Or is it because the devices are slow?
03.09.02 #       <__builtin> the devices are pretty slow, yes
03.10.38 #       <CheetahPixie> Well, my idea was to transcode video to be played into the native resolution.
03.10.44 #       <CheetahPixie> (And, hopefully, to the native FPS.)
03.10.51 #       <__builtin> on the device?
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03.31.29 #       <CheetahPixie> Yes.
03.31.32 #       <CheetahPixie> Well
03.31.38 #       <CheetahPixie> transcode on PC.
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03.36.14 #       <CheetahPixie> And then play on the device, but if we use a similar approach to what Euclideon did with their point cloud stuff for video (read only the required pixels) then I imagine that might save us cycles and bytes on large, normal-size files.
03.36.30 #       <CheetahPixie> And possibly enable on-device transcoding of some sort.
03.37.49 #       <__builtin> you're basically saying to resize the video to the device resolutoin?
03.38.02 #       <CheetahPixie> Even then, I may implement data discard in order to keep full speed; either color or video, or both with a preference setting.
03.38.19 #       <CheetahPixie> (And then assemble a video with the largest frames possible to see how it performs.)
03.39.15 #       <CheetahPixie> I think it was H codecs that used chrominance and luminance, as with some old television.
03.39.44 #       <CheetahPixie> Could compensate for low read speeds or crap decoding by dumping chrominance for the specified frames.
03.40.12 #       <CheetahPixie> Altogether would make an interesting greyscale filter I think. Yes, I'm rambling.
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04.11.54 #       <CheetahPixie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWdG413nNkI
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07.34.45 #       <lilkuz> hey guys, is the themes page down ?
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07.53.03 #       <CheetahPixie> If you need it right now lilkuz try an archive.org copy
08.17.19 #       <lilkuz> CheetahPixie: thanks, i found the theme i was looking for, installed and its looking good
08.19.35 #       <CheetahPixie> <3
08.19.37 #       <CheetahPixie> Enjoy.
08.19.45 #       <CheetahPixie> I made my own KDE theme, too.
08.19.56 #       <CheetahPixie> Stupid easy; just resize image to fit into what you need.
08.20.12 #       <CheetahPixie> I've been battling with getting native res footage on my iPod.
08.20.20 #       <CheetahPixie> Learned that MPEG-2 was my only option, sadly.
08.21.04 #       <CheetahPixie> Happened upon a bug meanwhile wherein my iPod, under Rockbox, refuses to mount at all, but does in the OF.
08.21.25 #       <CheetahPixie> At this point, I don't think it's going to mount __builtin
08.21.27 #       <lilkuz> i have known about rockbox for a long time, but i just insalled it today  on my ipod classic 7th gen
08.21.36 #       <CheetahPixie> Why not earlier?
08.21.39 #       <CheetahPixie> This firmware is amazing.
08.21.48 #       <CheetahPixie> It blows you in the face like the Atom did Jeremy Clarkson.
08.22.03 #       <lilkuz> well its not supported
08.22.22 #       <CheetahPixie> Not supported how?
08.22.33 #       <lilkuz> i just seen a youtube video showing it running on the classic, so i took a chance
08.22.51 #       <CheetahPixie> Classic 7th gen, huh.
08.22.56 #       <CheetahPixie> How did you install it?
08.22.58 #       <CheetahPixie> RButil?
08.23.42 #       <lilkuz> one sec
08.24.51 #       <lilkuz> a site named freemyipod 
08.26.46 #       <lilkuz> there was a youtube video showing how to install it, im not really sure im allowed to post links and im not trying to break the rules 
08.27.32 #       <lilkuz> im using the ipod widgets theme now, it looks really nice
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08.47.51 #       <CheetahPixie> So you installed with emcore?
08.48.40 #       <CheetahPixie> lilkuz
08.55.53 #       <user890104> this page? https://files.freemyipod.org/~user890104/bootloader-ipodclassic.html
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10.55.02 #       <turkeyhand> hi, I'm trying to assemble the last working H300 I have
10.55.22 #       <turkeyhand> I have a solid state drive that takes slightly too much power to charge with USB
10.56.09 #       <turkeyhand> it charges if I use the barrel connector but I'm in a country where I don't have one, I tried to hack together a barrel connector and a usb cable but it wouldn't charge with 5v
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10.56.27 #       <turkeyhand> when it's powered on through usb bootloader mode does the battery charge?
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10.57.19 #       <turkeyhand> and somehow it crashed a few times and I was able to charge it through the original firmware charging screen, through usb, and that somehow worked. but I can't find any button combo or shutting down combo that'll get me back to that. I'm not sure how it happened
10.58.20 #       <turkeyhand> it just said "charging" like it was connected with power, it's the chain of adapters + msata ssd
10.59.41 #       <turkeyhand> probably the wrong thing becuase it uses *just* too much power to actually charge while connected, the battery never quite goes up. it's probably damaging some kind of charging circuitry but until I buy a dedicated player that's exceptionally good, this has massive sentimental value
11.00.10 #       <turkeyhand> charges fine with a wall adapter at 6v but I don't have one at present
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11.24.29 #       <turkeyhand> is there a way to charge through usb with the iriver h300 without powering the hard drive on?
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12.43.02 #       <turkeyhand> pamaury, do you know if the h300 can be charged without powering the hard drive
12.44.06 #       <turkeyhand> I got some series of crashes from a very flat battery that went to the "charging" screen somehow
12.44.23 #       <turkeyhand> I'm not sure if the hardware keeps the disk active though
12.44.30 #       <turkeyhand> I can't find any documentation anywhere on this
12.45.03 #       <pamaury> turkeyhand: no idea, I know very little about how hard drives are powered in rockbox but generally speaking rockbox controls when to power up things, so it should be possible
12.45.09 #       <turkeyhand> I'm trying to find a way to charge it until I can get my hands on six volts of power
12.45.23 #       <turkeyhand> to charge it through the charging barrel connector
12.45.28 #       <pamaury> but this may require to change the code, I am not sure
12.45.46 #       <turkeyhand> I can't change the code
12.45.54 #       <turkeyhand> it's got an MSATA drive with adapters
12.46.05 #       * pamaury looks at the bootloader
12.46.06 #       <turkeyhand> it uses too much current to charge it in any reasonable time
12.46.57 #       <turkeyhand> I'm not sure it charges at all, using 6v and the charging jack, it's fine, but I'm stuck in a country without that
12.47.25 #       <pamaury> turkeyhand: from the look of it, it looks like if you power down and then plug the charger, rockbox will boot and charge without  power up the drive
12.47.48 #       <turkeyhand> I don't have the charger
12.47.53 #       <turkeyhand> that's the problem
12.48.21 #       <pamaury> so you charge it with usb?
12.48.25 #       <turkeyhand> there's usb bootloader mode but that obviously powers the drive
12.48.39 #       <pamaury> yeah if the bootloader detects usb it starts the driver :-/
12.48.55 #       <turkeyhand> the MSATA drive in there uses too much current and it can't charge in any reasonable amount of time
12.49.10 #       <pamaury> have you tried to boot with hold button active?
12.49.19 #       <turkeyhand> no
12.49.34 #       <turkeyhand> it just powers off
12.49.44 #       <turkeyhand> it senses the hold button is active, and powers off
12.50.02 #       <pamaury> ah damn indeed, I see no way then if you cannot change the code
12.50.18 #       <turkeyhand> I don't even know what it's coded in
12.50.24 #       <pamaury> in C
12.50.25 #       <turkeyhand> my C or C++ is very poor
12.50.33 #       <turkeyhand> it's too poor to change it I think
12.51.40 #       <turkeyhand> does the bootloader need to be changed?
12.51.57 #       <pamaury> I don't think you can reflash the code anyway with the battery low, your only option is to use the charger I think
12.52.07 #       <turkeyhand> I tried 5v but that doesn't work
12.52.41 #       <turkeyhand> I can't find a 6v supply anywhere, until I move to germany in a week, but I am going crazy with no music or the TERRIBLE radio
12.54.19 #       <turkeyhand> I can power the unit to change the bootloader
12.54.27 #       <turkeyhand> with an 18650 or something
12.54.57 #       <turkeyhand> but I can't change the code myself
12.55.58 #       <pamaury> 18650?
12.56.38 #       <pamaury> I don't feel very confident changing the bootloader code without knowing the target, this is a critical piece of code
12.57.04 #       <pamaury> is there to boot to the OF and let it charge?
12.57.34 #       <turkeyhand> it doesn't charge with the original firmware
12.58.06 #       <turkeyhand> a liion battery for a torch
13.04.00 #       <Bilgus> 18650 is 3.7 v two of them would be too much
13.04.23 #       <turkeyhand> one would be ok
13.04.31 #       <Bilgus> so get some alkalines or a Lantern battery
13.04.46 #       <Bilgus> not if it needs 6v
13.04.57 #       <turkeyhand> oh yeah.
13.05.22 #       <turkeyhand> I have no soldering iron or anything
13.05.48 #       <Bilgus> duct tape some wire and a drinking straw would do it
13.05.49 #       <turkeyhand> just twisting wires. the unit says 5v but that doesn't work
13.06.08 #       <turkeyhand> yup I have tape. but no other batteries
13.06.37 #       <Bilgus> i guess you'll havce to break out or do without music
13.07.29 #       <turkeyhand> I would really prefer music
13.07.35 #       <turkeyhand> for a 3 day flight
13.08.17 #       <turkeyhand> away from this shitty country where my dad has too much cancer and I won't see him again
13.08.49 #       <turkeyhand> I'd probably pay someone to change the bootloader
13.09.17 #       <turkeyhand> what's the best device that rockbox supports or has a fork for?
13.14.18 #       <turkeyhand> this thing says DC 5v, I tried a barrel jack and power from a usb port, that didn't work
13.15.53 #       <turkeyhand> wondering if 8v will break it
13.17.27 #       <turkeyhand> if someone is able to change the code I can power the device to flash it
13.19.40 #       <turkeyhand> and send some hardware in the post? something like that?
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13.27.28 #       <turkeyhand> is it possible to mod the bootloader so the hold button disables the disk?
13.29.19 #       <turkeyhand> because I have two devices, I'm willing to kill one of them trying
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13.33.33 #       <turkeyhand> it needs to be physically possible
13.33.52 #       <turkeyhand> before spending time on it
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13.39.09 #       <turkeyhand> is there a patch available that would switch the disk off with the hold switch
13.44.29 #       <turkeyhand> I'd paypal someone to change it
13.44.57 #       <turkeyhand> or if I had some direction or where to start...
13.45.03 #       <turkeyhand> of
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14.50.46 #       <turkeyhand> 12v and a resistor out of a broken pencil. here we go
14.51.19 #       <turkeyhand> shit it's probably going to change as it heats up
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14.52.45 #       <turkeyhand> I'll donate hardware or something for a patch that switches the drive off when the hold switch is activated
14.53.45 #       <turkeyhand> the instant I get back to civilisation, I am literally stuck the closest you can possibly be to antarctica without being on it
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21.46.58 #       <CheetahPixie> Morning, lads.
21.47.09 #       <CheetahPixie> Do any of you know of the Lenco Xemio 655?
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23.05.51 #       <pamaury> CheetahPixie: no...
23.07.33 #       <pamaury> look like those typical nonames from China
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23.40.04 #       <CheetahPixie> Alright.
23.40.08 #       <CheetahPixie> I wanted to try to port Rockbox to it.
23.40.21 #       <CheetahPixie> (Or at least hack it.)
23.40.56 #       <pamaury> CheetahPixie: you need to disassemble it to find out the cpu it is using
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23.53.17 #       <CheetahPixie> Of course.
23.53.20 #       <CheetahPixie> That's what I'll be doing.
23.53.23 #       <CheetahPixie> Documenting *everything*.
23.53.30 #       <CheetahPixie> And getting good chip shots, probably DRO.
23.53.55 #       <CheetahPixie> https://i.imgur.com/8XwLxmu.jpg A little distorted, but I managed this on a phone camera.
23.55.09 #       <CheetahPixie> pamaury btw
23.55.28 #       <CheetahPixie> Got some nice HDR ones too, which I think turned out worse.
23.55.56 #       <pamaury> I don't recognize any of those chips, they don't look like a typical modern SoC
23.56.03 #       <CheetahPixie> Oh
23.56.06 #       <CheetahPixie> Those are not from the player.
23.56.12 #       <CheetahPixie> Those are an example of how good I can get the pictures.
23.56.15 #       <CheetahPixie> https://imgur.com/a/aT29X for remainder of album.
23.56.38 #       <CheetahPixie> That is a 30 pin SIMM I wanted the datasheets of, had to contact the company. Haven't received an answer yet I don't think.
23.58.50 #       <CheetahPixie> Nope, nothing yet.
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