--- Log for 24.01.120 Server: cherryh.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 15 hours ago 00.03.38 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 00.13.53 Quit Rower (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.16.30 Join vmx [0] (~vmx@ip5f5ac62a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 00.18.24 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 00.28.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.42.01 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 00.44.44 Quit amdj (Remote host closed the connection) 00.47.28 Join amdj [0] (~aaron@freenode/staff/atheme.amdj) 01.13.16 Join sherbets1 [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 01.16.43 Quit sherbets (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.19.25 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 01.20.25 Quit sherbets1 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 01.33.46 Quit sherbets (Remote host closed the connection) 01.34.06 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@2600:6c58:4c7f:936b:91db:ad32:d999:91d3) 01.41.07 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.46.41 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@c188-150-217-176.bredband.comhem.se) 01.47.10 Quit sherbets (Quit: sherbets) 01.47.31 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@2600:6c58:4c7f:936b:8d73:86fe:69a8:e8af) 01.58.20 Quit sherbets (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.04.30 Quit vmx (Quit: Leaving) 02.22.06 Join smoke_fumus [0] (~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90) 02.28.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.35.50 Quit St3ak (Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net) 02.36.57 Quit J_Darnley (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02.39.33 Join St3ak [0] (~st3ak@st3ak3000.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) 02.40.38 Join J_Darnley [0] (~J_Darnley@d51A44418.access.telenet.be) 04.00.04 Quit smoke_fumus (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 04.28.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.36.40 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 04.37.20 Quit brasello (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04.39.00 Join brasello [0] (~brasello@anon-39-219.vpn.ipredator.se) 05.19.20 Quit sherbets (Quit: sherbets) 05.20.03 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 06.06.36 Quit sherbets (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 06.28.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.22.19 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:943f:d824:11eb:e078:cb6d:b64) 07.27.02 Quit ZincAlloy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 07.40.01 Join {Opsimath}Shawn [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 07.53.03 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@ip5f5acf9f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 07.57.44 Quit ZincAlloy (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 08.28.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.33.27 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@63.red-88-26-64.staticip.rima-tde.net) 08.59.14 Join petur [0] (~petur@80.169.83.226) 08.59.14 Quit petur (Changing host) 08.59.14 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.15.31 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 09.15.58 Join PimpiN8 [0] (~PimpiN8@77.60.122.82) 09.47.38 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.54.26 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.05.34 Quit {Opsimath}Shawn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.10.32 Join dys [0] (~dys@2003:5b:203b:100:a64c:c8ff:fef4:13a6) 10.28.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.33.14 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 10.34.30 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.40.42 Join vmx [0] (~vmx@p5B2A25C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.41.19 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@63.red-88-26-64.staticip.rima-tde.net) 12.25.21 Quit PimpiN8 (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…) 16.57.14 Quit p3tur (Quit: Connection reset by beer) 17.04.03 Quit J_Darnley (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17.04.23 Join J_Darnley [0] (~J_Darnley@d51a44418.access.telenet.be) 17.19.54 Join MarcAndersen [0] (~no_znepna@193.169.154.231) 17.20.00 Quit mauved (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.21.23 Join mauved [0] (~q@2602:fff6:f:6713::4873) 17.22.17 # If I play opus files on my sansa c250 v1 and speed it up in the pitch screen, the audio pauss sometimes. Is this because it can't decode opus in realtime at higher speeds? 17.23.53 # That wouldn't surprise me. The 80MHz arm in that thing isn't the fastest 17.24.48 # That explains it. 80mhz is not very much. 17.26.32 # It's also a bit unresponsive in navigating menus when playing opus 17.27.33 # But it's a bit strange that it has 32 mb ram then when the processor is so bad 17.28.12 # RAM is mostly for caching to optimise disk power, although on flash players that's a bit silly indeed 17.28.56 # But the clips only have 8 mb with a better processor 17.29.42 # Is there a list somewhere with the processor and ram of all the players? 17.36.47 # There's https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DeviceChart but (a) that seems not to have "newer" devices, and (b) I wouldn't be surprised if that's very hard to read using screenreaders 17.38.08 # I will try 17.38.42 # The two biggest users of RAM in audio players (apart from the code itself) are screen buffer (which gets larger the more pixels you have and if you have color), and audio buffer 17.39.21 # Clip and c200 both have tiny screens (although c200 is color so it takes a bit more RAM) so that's not too big a deal 17.40.09 # Audio buffer is important on hard disk targets, because a disk spinning up consumes a huge amount of power compared to anything else in the system, so you want to read as much as possible in one go 17.40.28 # Exactly 17.40.56 # My suspicion is that when the c200 (and e200) was designed, maybe flash-based players were relatively new and they just picked the same amount of RAM that other devices used? 17.41.25 # Maybe based on a reference design from the CPU manufacturer 17.42.11 # The ipod video e.g. has the same CPU as the c200, and it has a fairly large color screen and a hard drive. On that one 32MB makes a lot of sense 17.44.45 # (also other "old style" ipods, some philips devices, some samsung devices, the olympys mrobe100, the iriver h10, ...) 17.45.11 # The page is easy enough to navigate with table navigation, thanks 17.45.38 # Probably also at that time mp3 player prices hadn't been driven down too much yet, so the extra cost of that RAM wasn't too much of a problem 17.46.17 # In summary: I don't know but I sometimes like to speculate :) 17.47.56 # Wow, there are devices with 2 mb ram? How can rockbox run on that? 17.50.21 # The original rockbox devices (the Archoses) have 2mb of ram, but they also have mp3 decoding in hardware, so that helps (they also un at 12MHz...) 17.51.17 # The later ones (clip v1, e200 v2 I think) took some effort, and some plugins might not work very well 17.51.23 # Wow 17.53.44 # That's the limit though. There have been some efforts to get it to run on 1MB devices, but that hasn't ever been finished 17.55.25 # I think the ipod classic is one of the best in processor and ram 18.00.48 # It's a decent one. I think the gigabeat S has a better CPU 18.03.46 # I just found this on wikipedia on the portalplayer 5020: Edirol R-1 (Unconfirmed rumor on what chip but unit displays "Powered by PortalPlay Inc. 1999-2004". Can we port rockbox to it? It would make excelent recordings. 18.04.28 Quit J_Darnley (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.05.36 Join J_Darnley [0] (~J_Darnley@d51a44418.access.telenet.be) 18.05.48 # Maybe, if you manage to find someone with a device, the knowledge, and the time :) 18.06.59 # I think I have one somewhere, but as I already know, it's not easy to do. 18.07.56 # It also gets less and less interesting the older the devices get I think 18.08.25 # At some point you end up finishing the port and it turns out you have the only surviving device and it's falling apart :) 18.09.08 # Oh that's true 18.09.47 Nick brasello is now known as lagfra (~brasello@anon-39-219.vpn.ipredator.se) 18.27.27 # How many mhz is the as3525 in the clip zip 18.28.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.43.46 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@ip5f5acf9f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 18.51.42 Join lebellium [0] (~lebellium@89-92-253-148.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 19.09.26 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.18.21 # ~192 MHZ IIRC 19.18.45 # but it's better than 80 19.20.20 Quit vmx (Quit: Leaving) 20.15.31 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:1033:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 20.28.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.58.36 Join {Opsimath}Shawn [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 21.11.05 Join Timetravelerr [0] (926f9c33@146.111.156.51) 21.23.46 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.32.57 Part Timetravelerr 22.28.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.59.18 Quit Rower (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23.15.55 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 23.35.23 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23.53.53 Join cockroach [0] (~blattodea@pdpc/supporter/active/cockroach) 23.54.55 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving)