--- Log for 05.03.120 Server: weber.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 hours and 0 minutes ago 00.08.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.19.06 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip5b40da23.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 00.19.07 Quit kugel (Changing host) 00.19.07 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.25.22 Quit superluig164 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.28.27 # <__builtin> We really should start planning out this transition away from Haxx soon 00.28.49 # ? 00.29.21 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.29.38 # <__builtin> The original founders of the project have announced that they plan to stop hosting rockbox services next year 00.29.51 # that sucks 00.30.21 # <__builtin> We should really be grateful for the last ~20 years though 00.30.33 # wow rockbox is that old? 00.31.10 # <__builtin> Yeah. 2001 or thereabouts 00.31.51 # hah, so oyu guys didnt waste any time once ipods came out 00.32.09 # <__builtin> Anyway, I think speachy has volunteered to host (most) things 00.33.56 # <__builtin> What's left is figuring out how we move all our stuff over 00.34.15 # <__builtin> And we have a lot of it 00.34.31 # in tarballs, probably :P 00.35.54 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@2600:6c58:4c7f:936b:2c63:4a66:8506:af99) 00.37.01 Quit rudi_s (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.38.48 Join rudi_s [0] (~simon@bmi.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) 01.10.53 # So from what I read of the game plan I gather its just going to be a straight transfer then work on changing things? 01.11.16 # <__builtin> I'm in favor of that 01.11.27 # <__builtin> And I think speachy is too 01.13.01 # so is speachy going to be point on this then? 01.13.09 # <__builtin> I believe so 01.13.43 # We need a migration manager because I honestly don't know where efforts are best placed 01.15.42 # Not that I've had a lot of time lately but I'd like to use it wisely when I do ditto from everyone else clearly 01.18.14 # <__builtin> Right. I'm not in a position to take that on, unfortunately. 01.18.36 # <__builtin> getting 3.15 was enough for me 01.18.43 # now does this include the forums as well? I was under the impression scorche had them hosted on his server 01.18.50 # <__builtin> it does, actually 01.19.08 # <__builtin> you're correct in that scorche hosts them, but he would like to step away as well 01.20.24 # well thank goodness for speachy then :/ 01.20.38 # <__builtin> https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/wiki/Transition lists only mailing lists and DNS as continuing services 01.21.01 # * __builtin will be around to help where he can, but that's limited by IRL things 01.22.47 # download.rockbox.org: 32 GB disk, 500 GB traffic/month 01.22.49 # phew 01.24.41 # <__builtin> our problem is not so much bandwidth or disk space, thankfully 01.24.49 # <__builtin> more just having people willing to host :) 01.25.16 # <__builtin> I think we would do well to nominate speachy as migration manager, though 01.25.25 # <__builtin> assuming he's still willing, of course 01.25.42 # yet they don't want to see it use github as the primary interface? 01.26.40 # <__builtin> I'm against migrating to github on primarily technical grounds 01.27.12 # <__builtin> gerrit is a much nicer code review system imo, and we already have significant time invested into custom infrastructure that suits our needs 01.27.30 # <__builtin> of course there's also the philosophical element, too 01.30.09 # Idk i'm of the thought of our custom stuff is great but we don't have the staff to maintain it so rather than letting it go down the drain maybe its time to use tools readily available 01.32.25 # <__builtin> thing is, it'll take far more effort to recreate the same level of functionality we already have with a new tool 01.33.57 # but with a (more?) robust backend to support it 01.35.05 # <__builtin> explain? 01.35.59 # git hub is more widely used there are already tools to migrate it tools built to work with it and the hosting is taken care of 01.36.46 # Rb is after all FOSS and clearly there are no donations coming into the coffers despite 500GB of downloads a month 01.39.04 # do we need all that functionality for what ~5 devs?? 01.39.33 # <__builtin> hmm... 01.40.21 # <__builtin> speachy has already volunteered to host a migrated version of our existing infrastructure, though 01.40.29 # for now sure 01.41.24 # its just a finger in the dike though and I don't feel he should have to take that burden forever 01.42.14 # <__builtin> if he decides it's not for him, then yes, we can look for other options 01.42.52 # <__builtin> but I feel that self-hosting gives us more freedom and independence than available through github 01.43.06 # freedom from what though 01.43.34 # <__builtin> freedom to customize our infrastructure as we please 01.43.43 # <__builtin> (and freedom as in FOSS, of course) 01.44.37 # hmm I'm not sure we are plubishing anything thatd be censored except maybe the themes 01.45.09 # <__builtin> the rockblox incident comes to mind 01.45.21 # <__builtin> and jewels/Pop Cap 01.45.40 # the DCMA process with github does leave something to be desired 01.45.50 Join Timetravelerr [0] (4574c419@ool-4574c419.dyn.optonline.net) 01.45.51 # <__builtin> https://lwn.net/Articles/200179/ 01.45.54 # so perhaps you are right 01.46.26 # <__builtin> and https://lwn.net/Articles/180172/ 01.49.54 Join superluig164 [0] (~superluig@okvlon0102w-lp140-01-174-92-1-17.dsl.bell.ca) 01.53.47 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.56.29 Quit MrZeus (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02.01.58 # __builtin: rockblox incident? 02.02.24 # <__builtin> see above 02.02.37 # yeah just started looking at the links 02.03.52 # <__builtin> in short, I feel like self-hosting shields us from arbitrary takedowns over things like that 02.04.13 # uh oh 02.05.50 # Copyright really affected everyone's right to own anything huh.. 02.08.27 # Timetravelerr: some of that stuff was pretty reasonable. 02.08.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.09.14 # oh shoot.. 02.09.43 # but thats a really old post?.. 02.12.54 # I'd agree on the arbitrary takedown part VALID point 02.13.12 # It's also nice to see that rockbox had enough attention to get C&Ds 02.13.52 # so does this mean no more Rockbox? 02.14.02 # not at all. 02.14.54 # 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