--- Log for 27.03.120 Server: cherryh.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 20 days and 11 hours ago 00.13.42 Join Calabrel [0] (4400b87a@ip68-0-184-122.tc.ph.cox.net) 00.16.07 # Good evening all. 00.16.22 # I'm having issues with my Rockbox on my Fuze+ 00.17.21 # I found the development threat on the forums and came to the IRC from (admittedly a 7 year old post) advice by pamaury.. 00.19.27 # This has actually happened to me on two different SanDisk Fuze+ players with Rockbox. If the battery discharges entirely to the point where it needs to be charged before it can even boot. It now has a persistent "white noise" sound with accompany screeches when navigating through menus and the SD card. 00.19.58 # that's ... interesting 00.20.34 # The player worked fine for months, until I accidentally left it too long without external power. Now that the issue has started, I haven't found a way to remedy it. 00.21.01 # does the battery charge? 00.21.13 # Yes, it holds a charge still, and charges fine. 00.22.07 # Going through the 50+ pages of the development thread on the technical forums, I only saw one other person mentioning it, but it doesn't appear that it was resolved. 00.22.11 # This was back in 2013 00.22.43 # Actually, now that I look back, it was actually 20123 00.22.45 # 2012* 00.24.25 # never encountered that when I still had a fuze+.. having a very hard time understanding how that can't be a hardware issue 00.24.49 # I think it might be. 00.25.04 # LiPo batteries are finicky about being over-discharged 00.25.08 # Which of course isn't something Rockbox could fix 00.25.37 # Just wanted to ask around to see if anyone else has encountered it and if they were able to do anything about it. 00.26.19 # <__builtin> Replace? 00.27.39 Quit cockroach (Quit: leaving) 00.27.50 # no, charging is SW controlled 00.30.58 # but your best bet is probably to replace the battery somehow 00.31.35 # * __builtin has no idea about the Fuze+, but at least for ipod6g replacing is fairly straightforward 00.31.55 # <__builtin> the only hurdle is figuring out how to crack the case 00.32.47 # Eh, I'll probably buy another one. Sorry, I went afk for a moment. 00.32.48 # I recall the case being relatively easy to crack (with typical "ipod" case tools of the time) 00.33.05 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.33.10 # there's someone on ebay claiming to have a replacement battery for $22 -- that's a lot cheaper than replacing the whole unit 00.33.30 # might need soldering skills though 00.33.37 # I wish other SanDisk models were widely available that you could put Rockbox on 00.33.56 # It still doesn't work on newer models, right? 00.34.09 # their newer units have less RAM than even the old Archos targets. 00.34.46 # Heh, figures. 00.36.21 # the AGPTek Rocker is probably the best overall unit for rockbox that's readily available. 00.36.56 # I'll check it out, thanks. 00.37.41 # The Fuze+ controls are the worst anyway. 00.37.46 # The touchpad 00.37.57 # yeah, the touchpad was nigh unusuable. Even in the original firmware. 00.40.17 # there's a new/open-box Xduoo X3 on ebay for $50. Crappy screen, but otherwise an excellent unit. quite robust physically and excellent sound quality. 00.41.16 # (since it has a proper line out) 00.42.17 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.47.26 # I'll go check it out 00.47.35 # Thanks for being so helpful :) 00.48.52 # x3II isn't compatible? 00.48.55 # That has a nicer screen. 00.49.21 # there's an out-of-tree port that nobody with access to a unit has had time to integrate properly 01.19.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.20.45 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.37.13 Quit mendel_munkis_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.46.48 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@65-128-208-151.mpls.qwest.net) 01.49.09 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 01.50.35 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 02.04.31 Join edan [0] (3306f810@16.248.6.51.dyn.plus.net) 02.07.39 Quit edan (Remote host closed the connection) 02.41.21 Quit ufdm (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 02.48.34 Join ufdm [0] (~ufdm@c-75-72-10-216.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.51.12 Quit MrZeus (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.55.12 Join eldudeness [0] (~eldud3nes@mariner.whatbox.ca) 02.56.02 # anyone seen this error when `make` in bash? 02.56.03 # /usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.ARM.exidx' 02.56.30 # made it sooo far, don't wanna give up now (i know windows installer is ez pz) 02.58.22 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 02.59.44 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 03.19.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.28.24 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.40.37 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-68-29.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 03.58.25 # <__builtin> eldudeness: some more context? 03.58.31 # <__builtin> what are you building, and any more errors? 04.54.13 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-155-248.sxct.qwest.net) 04.54.14 Quit advcomp2019__ (Changing host) 04.54.14 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 04.57.34 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.03.52 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 05.19.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.33.13 Quit beencubed (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 05.52.59 # hey __builtin 05.53.23 # i'm building for ipod 05.53.46 # accomplished the cross compiler 05.54.28 # which was throwing a bug with my current gcc-9 so i used my gcc-8 and success (latest ubuntu) 05.54.44 # configure succeeds 05.55.22 # make throws that error i pasted (ld error) 05.56.24 # ... 05.56.25 # LD rockbox.elf 05.56.25 # /usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.ARM.exidx' 05.56.28 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 05.56.30 # make: *** [/home/pinkdad/Downloads/rockbox/tools/root.make:249: /home/pinkdad/Downloads/rockbox/build/rockbox.elf] Error 1 05.57.55 # ^^ that's the end of the `make` output, after a few hundred successful lines of output 06.11.05 # <__builtin> Which ipod? 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19.43.09 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19.43.50 # <__builtin> we have had plenty of issues with recent gcc versions building old cross compilers 19.44.11 # <__builtin> I think speachy is/was looking into shipping a newer cross compiler 19.46.51 # yeah, I wanted to bump everything (except sh) to 4.9.4 19.54.08 # yes yes i used `update_alternatives` and tapped in gcc-8 19.54.34 # which is 8.4.0 on my ubuntu 19.54.49 # built successfully 19.56.19 # (built the cross compiler successfully) 19.57.19 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@185.246.211.100) 19.58.06 # If bump the toolchain the various builders will need updating 19.59.11 # but I'd really like to see a few more targets tested before I do that. I know the clip+ basically works, but have no other arm or m68k targets. 20.00.16 Join cockroach [0] (~blattodea@pdpc/supporter/active/cockroach) 20.00.35 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 20.07.13 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.07.51 # relatedly, I'd like to also retire Archos targets, along with HWCODEC support. 20.09.35 # * speachy is letting all this newfound power go to his head 20.12.13 Quit mendelmunkis (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.23.50 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@33.red-88-26-67.staticip.rima-tde.net) 20.25.38 # speachy sounds like you're into some next level work 20.26.06 # naw, I just don't like impediments to other folks doing stuff. 20.28.01 # so if you updated, others downstream from you would have to update their device-specific code 20.28.03 # I can't say I've actually written all that much code for rockbox, but what I have accomplished is taken a big chunk out of the backlog of stuff that other folks had already done 20.28.21 # speachy: tried to run the test build on my h120. Checksum error, the binary is for h100. 20.28.38 # you have a h120 binary around? 20.28.43 # bluebrother whoops.. could have sworn you said it was h100 20.29.05 # maybe I even did ... it's been a while :) 20.29.31 # no, I'll have to build a new one. And, heh, rebuild the m68k toolchain as I'd built it on a ramdisk. :) 20.29.36 # do you have an updated version of rockboxdev.sh? I can build the compiler myself. 20.30.04 # or build instructions for the new gcc that is. Doesn't need to be rockboxdev.sh 20.30.31 # sorry for the late response btw. Pretty messy time. 20.30.33 # sure, give me a sec 20.33.25 # bluebrother, try this: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/changes/2305/revisions/2aea39ebb6ddbd7c6a4000485b7b7ddc26d12984/patch?zip 20.38.04 # I'm rebuilding the toolchains on my side. 20.38.10 # not on a ramdisk this time 20.38.26 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@65-128-208-151.mpls.qwest.net) 20.38.53 # <__builtin> speachy: could you get some performance numbers of 4.4.4 vs 4.9.4? 20.39.16 # <__builtin> and again, great work! 20.41.06 # not really. my clip+ is quite flaky; I just confirmed it booted but the onboard flash is toast. 20.42.43 # * __builtin will test ipod6g when he gets some free time 20.45.00 Join Ckatt [0] (~Ckat@xn--z7x.xn--6frz82g) 20.45.38 Quit Ckat (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.45.41 Nick Ckatt is now known as Ckat (~Ckat@xn--z7x.xn--6frz82g) 20.45.42 Quit koniu (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.46.07 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.46.34 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@33.red-88-26-67.staticip.rima-tde.net) 20.48.12 Quit mendelmunkis (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.48.57 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@65-128-208-151.mpls.qwest.net) 20.50.16 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 20.53.57 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 21.00.48 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 21.04.41 Join sakax [0] (~r0b0t@unaffiliated/r0b0t) 21.09.40 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.10.26 # hmm. 2048 isn't really playable on a greyscale target. At some point the numbers become invisible :) 21.12.47 # that just adds to the experience :) 21.13.16 # periodic_table isn't too useful either. Not enough screen space, so the text overlaps. 21.13.57 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.17.25 # <__builtin> 2048 is my fault 21.17.45 # <__builtin> and ptable too, to an extent 21.19.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.25.17 # toolchains done, rebuilding h120 now 21.26.53 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@37.120.204.156) 21.27.14 # http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rockbox-h120-gcc494.zip 21.27.33 # took longer to upload than compile 21.28.34 # anyone want a specific arm target built? 21.29.41 # there are a few warnings in the h120 compile, basically gcc 4.9 has better sanity checks and warns about more questionable stuff 21.30.03 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.30.16 # <__builtin> ipod6g? 21.30.43 # * speachy waits for the clip+ to finish... 21.31.42 # okay, ipod building 21.32.25 # I also turned on -funit-at-a-time because it's basically a freebie with respect to code optimization 21.34.20 # http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rockbox-ipod6g-gcc494.zip 21.34.59 # speachy: seems to work fine so far. 21.35.18 # I do see some display glitches but I have those with my 4 year old build as well. 21.35.58 # basically in some situations graphics are off. Like album art has some lines in that don't belong. And the fire plugin shows an almost black grid-like background. 21.37.03 # a bug, but not a regression 21.38.11 # mp3 plays, ogg, ape as well. 21.38.14 # I agree :) 21.38.59 # jpegviewer also is fine. So greylib itself does work. mpegplayer is worse than with the old version. 21.39.15 # though that one is questionable on such a device anyway :) 21.39.16 # <__builtin> dang, I've got a slow connection... 21.39.25 # <__builtin> 20 KB/s 21.41.30 # given that my old version is a 4 years old build I don't think that's because of the compiler. 21.41.56 # might be worth grabbing the latest nightly build for an apples to um, irivers comparison 21.42.14 # I could build with the old gcc too ... 21.42.23 # but that would require me building it :D 21.42.41 # no need, just grab the latest nightly off of the rockbox site 21.42.53 # ah, but that doesn't have rtc support :) 21.43.01 # ah, I see 21.44.18 # that's a really nice mod 21.44.43 # and building rockbox doesn't take too long. Building gcc is long in comparison. 21.45.22 # yay ipod work. that's where i'm stuck 21.45.37 # <__builtin> rtc mod? 21.46.36 # __builtin: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RTCModH1x0 21.47.49 # the sw patch to enable that might be worth integrating if there's a clean way of detecting it. 21.48.47 # iirc the discussion back then was also about things like plugins: if rtc is enabled you'll get things like the clock plugin, which obviously won't work if you don't have the rtc mod 21.49.18 # <__builtin> ugly hack would be to just quit the plugin if runtime detection fails 21.49.44 # <__builtin> that's hardly the only plugin we ship that doesn't work by default 21.49.49 # exactly.. 21.50.02 # well, back then plugins worked :) 21.50.26 Quit mendelmunkis (Remote host closed the connection) 21.50.36 # but given that you'd do most of the stuff plugins did using your phone these days the main use for rockbox would be playback imo. 21.51.14 # <__builtin> except quake :) 21.59.28 # ok, comparing with a build using the old compiler I can't see anything that's worse. 21.59.42 # can you run some codec benchmarks on both? 22.00.45 # I can, but I need to build with the test plugins first 22.01.57 # <__builtin> quake performance seems to have regressed slightly 22.02.04 # speachy what would happen if i launched that pizza zip in my ipod6g? 22.02.27 # <__builtin> I'll double check though 22.03.07 # eldudeness, presumably it would act the same as any other recent build 22.03.48 # <__builtin> grr... my download speed is slower than dial-up right now 22.04.25 # sounds good speachy, i'm failing to build on my own 22.04.53 # my build is highly experimental. I can't promise it won't try to eat your cat. 22.06.25 # if oyu want something more trustworthy for general use, the 3.15 release or the most recent nightly build should be used instead. 22.18.28 # <__builtin> yeah, quake regresses from 14.1 fps on latest HEAD to 12.8 with 4.9.4 22.24.03 # speachy: mp3 speed test goes from 445% to 448% realtime. I guess that can be considered no change :) 22.27.22 # <__builtin> re quake: it's definitely a real drop I'm seeing here 22.29.25 Quit Soap_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.30.33 # that's within the margin of error 22.30.46 # yeah. 22.31.18 # <__builtin> this is averaged over the exact same 1000 or so frames 22.31.28 # the quake slowdown is more concerning. I wonder if somthing's [not] getting inlined or asm acceleration is getting bypassed or something like that 22.32.40 # ogg is similar. 475% to 469%. 22.33.17 # what matters more are the older, much slower targets eg m68k or even the original couple of ipod generations 22.33.29 # that were a lot closer to the barely-realtime-performance edge 22.34.24 # I can also try on ipodmini2g. But not today, it's gotten quite late. 22.34.55 # ...but we can't stick with the old toolchains. so discovering these problems is the first step towards fixing them. 22.35.00 # any specific target you'd like to see? 22.35.13 # bluebrother hang on a sec, let me build it for you before you depart 22.35.23 # <__builtin> agreed 22.35.33 # I'll be back tomorrow :) 22.37.06 # <__builtin> there's a couple ways I have in mind to root out the quake regression(s) but they all take more time than I've got 22.37.15 # http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rockbox-ipodmini2g-gcc494.zip 22.38.19 # anyone think it's worth trying to keep the Archos targets alive? 22.38.34 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 22.38.39 # * __builtin says let 'em die 22.38.56 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.38.57 # if I still had one I'd be tempted to give it a redneck funeral. 22.55.31 Quit yosafbridge (Quit: Leaving) 22.56.05 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 22.56.59 Quit MrZeus (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.58.41 Join MrZeus [0] (~MrZeus@79-65-237-109.host.pobb.as13285.net) 23.00.02 Join yosafbridge [0] (~yosafbrid@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de) 23.05.05 Quit yosafbridge (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.10.12 # speachy: mini2g hangs on startup splash screen. Going back to a build with the old gcc 4.4.4 and things are fine again. 23.11.10 # that is with git head. 23.11.57 # anyway, off for tonight. 23.18.59 Join yosafbridge [0] (~yosafbrid@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de) 23.19.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.26.58 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.28.19 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.28.44 Quit jschwart (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.52.41 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)