--- Log for 31.03.120 Server: weber.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 hours and 7 minutes ago 00.00.24 # What's silent corruption? 00.00.31 # <_Bilgus> If it was silent corruption before and crashes now that could be a meaningful result 00.00.56 # <_Bilgus> as in it failed but didn't give any indication of failing 00.01.19 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@31.13.188.132) 00.02.11 # true. unfortunately I'm not getting any error messages in most cases, it just freezes. next time I see an error, I'll write it down. 00.02.46 # Has anyone tried to connect a click wheel to the logic board using sticky tape or hot glue?? 00.02.48 # <_Bilgus> by chance is the data that did make it on there uncorrupted? 00.03.24 # _Bilgus: let me check 00.04.38 # <_Bilgus> couple dozen CRC comparisons would be sufficent 00.05.17 # Thank you 00.05.17 # dunno, I'd think one should CRC everything 00.05.39 # oh -- is it just writes, or do reads crash/hang/corrupt too? 00.05.47 # _Bilgus: unfortunately the last couple of directories it tried to sync are all empty 00.05.53 # still trying to find one that isn't 00.07.49 # also, how much data transfer before crashing are you talking about? tens, hundreds, thousands of megabytes? 00.08.07 # the files seem corrupted 00.08.47 # <_Bilgus> the hunt continues 00.09.18 # I'm not exactly sure, I'll start again from scratch. df claims about 1.5 GB were transferred but I don't think so. the thing is, I ran a file system check and that did some cleanup. 00.09.22 # heh 00.10.46 # <__builtin> is this with an iflash? 00.10.50 # yes 00.11.10 # <__builtin> ah, I was investigating those at one point 00.11.21 # <__builtin> had a hard time inducing any corruption 00.11.49 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.11.50 # now *that* I can do quite reliably, it seems 00.11.52 # hmm, those iflashes do change things somewhat. it is a bit of a wildcard versus spinning rust. 00.12.01 # <__builtin> cockroach: how? 00.12.12 # __builtin: mount, copy files, wait for i/o errors. 00.12.26 # <__builtin> linux host? 00.12.29 # yep 00.12.47 # <__builtin> are the errors driver errors or just silent corruption? 00.13.13 # <__builtin> also, which model iflash and what card? 00.13.15 # <_Bilgus> heh 00.13.19 # there's nothing in dmesg, so I don't think the drivers are unhappy. 00.13.34 # <__builtin> but silent corruption once files are on disk? 00.13.44 # <_Bilgus> and rb crashing 00.13.45 # I don't know about that yet 00.14.51 # iflash solo, the card is a lexar 16GB. and it seems to work just fine using the ipod's built-in disk mode 00.15.04 # <__builtin> ok 00.15.34 # it *is* an ipod with 2k blocks 00.15.49 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 00.15.52 # sectors* 00.16.08 # <__builtin> ah, I see the logs 00.16.11 # I could try creating a card with 512 byte sectors and see whether that changes anything. 00.19.54 # <__builtin> the sector size *might* be a contributing factor, but I doubt it if the errors are intermittent 00.19.55 Quit Nugettes (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.20.10 # <__builtin> but again, it's very hard to tell without anything firm to go on 00.20.16 # aye 00.20.32 # for now I'll try to find a way to properly reproduce it. 00.26.12 # there's still a crash lurking in the xDuoo X3 data transfer too. don't know if it's USB, SD, or random corruption caused by not-quite-right asm code. 00.26.43 # haven't been able to recreate it since I created a separate IRQ stack for MIPS targets, but there's one user that it still occasionally happens to 00.27.38 # this time the crash happened after somewhere between 600 and 900 MB transferred. afterwards, all files were corrupted. 00.30.41 # oh, this is unfortunate. even if I transfer a single (100MB) file, it seems to get corrupted during transfer. 00.31.50 # here's something that might be worth trying -- create a second partition on the drive with ext4 instead of fat. that'll be more robust with respect to failures and might be more diagnosable. 00.32.30 # sounds like a plan 00.32.58 # since in USB mode it's just exported as a plain block device anyway 00.46.19 # I created an ext3 on the second partition and I also get corruptions with rockbox, no corruption with the built-in disk mode. 00.50.30 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 00.53.43 # using 512 byte sectors does not seem to change anything 00.54.47 # now, since I have been using this ipod with 512 byte sectors almost daily for the last couple of months, I'm fairly certain that no silent corruption has occurred with the data. 00.55.06 Quit S|h|a|w|n (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.13.48 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@65-128-208-151.mpls.qwest.net) 01.19.45 Join randomguy1024 [0] (4eea4124@fer01-1-78-234-65-36.fbx.proxad.net) 01.21.13 # _Bilgus: i have an ipod video w/ transfer issues under rockbox 01.21.22 # re: 07:32:37 -0700 < _Bilgus> next time we get someone with an ipod iflash transfer issue we can have them try it and maybe find out 01.23.38 # Hi! I couldn't find the info by googling - does the iPod Classic (6G) have IAP support? or is that only for other iPods? thanks 01.25.57 # afaik rockbox doesnt support IAP except for the older IAP over serial protocol 01.26.03 # IAP over USB is still trade secret 01.26.31 # idk about the native firmware 01.26.45 # ah I see, is the older protocol supported on the 6G? 01.27.06 # Lonoxmont: hey. last time we spoke you were asking about the built-in disk mode when installing rockbox without itunes. I finally got around to testing it and it works like a charm (much better than rockbox' USB disk mode at the moment) 01.27.11 # not sure, heavily depends on the accessory you are trying to use 01.28.01 # got it, best way to find out is probably to test then - time to charge the old classic that's been sitting around in a drawer for a while! thank you 01.28.15 # no problem! 01.28.39 # cockroach: ok good, sounds like the native disk mode is built into the logic board firmware 01.28.42 # which is a good thing 01.28.50 # indeed 01.28.50 # i think they stopped doing that after the video 01.29.05 # i recall someone coming here with a 6g where they had wiped the apple firmware entirely 01.29.18 # and then couldnt get to disk mode 01.29.28 # ah, that sucks 01.29.53 # randomguy1024: depending on how old it is you might consider replacing ht ebattery 01.30.06 # the original ones are really low capacity by now 01.31.34 Quit sakax (Remote host closed the connection) 01.32.45 # https://github.com/oandrew/ipod-gadget 01.33.06 # IAP-over-USB, enough to play audio on docks and whatnot. 01.33.23 # just needs someone motivated enough to port it to rockbox. :) 01.33.32 Quit Loeb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.36.29 Join S|h|a|w|n [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 01.39.35 # speachy: i thought it wasnt ported to rockbox because its proprietary etc 01.39.53 # unless apple somehow released the specs for it 01.44.49 # the original was just as proprietary 01.45.10 # and rockbox is full of reverse-engineered stuff 01.45.29 # yeah idk then 01.45.35 # maybe it was never a technical barrier 01.45.40 # just a political one 01.46.02 # im guessing apple probably no longer cares that much about rockbox anymore 01.46.15 # so might be safe to quietly pull in IAP over USB 01.46.19 # it's more of a developer effort barrier 01.46.24 # well yeah it is now 01.46.48 # wasnt few years back when i made some attempt to try ad get at the usb specs :V 01.47.48 # apple has sued folks for shipping thigns that pretended to be ipods 01.48.48 # rockbox does have a 1st-gen (serial) IAP implementation 01.52.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.02.03 Quit S|h|a|w|n (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.03.25 Join S|h|a|w|n [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 02.06.10 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-155-248.sxct.qwest.net) 02.06.10 Quit advcomp2019_ (Changing host) 02.06.10 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 02.08.45 Quit advcomp2019 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 02.14.33 Join ufdm [0] (~ufdm@c-75-72-10-216.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.19.30 # <_Bilgus> I think cockroach has verified that 2048 bytes sectors don't help but more data is always welcomed 02.20.28 # im on linux, tell me what to run against the ipod and what modes etc and i will do it :V 02.20.48 # prefer to not wipe it if i dont have to but if i do it is what it is 02.23.22 Quit S|h|a|w|n (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.25.13 # <_Bilgus> most assuredly i'd need to be wiped 02.26.45 # eh, i can back it up first 02.27.10 # getting at the storage directly might be a bit weird though since its a jbod across 4 sd cards 02.34.40 Join Nugettes [0] (4574c419@ool-4574c419.dyn.optonline.net) 02.35.53 # Hi I installed rockbox via rockbox utility with the combination of apple firmware already being in the disk. although rockbox still doesnt load when I hold the combinations MENU + PLAY. 02.40.16 # The screen fades into black then when I stop holding the buttons the original apple firmware re appears. 02.50.42 # menu+play i dont think does anything 02.51.00 # rockbox should boot by default after it is installed 02.51.12 # ah 02.51.21 # so just start it with select 02.51.24 # and dont touch anything 02.51.25 # it doesnt... 02.51.51 # Menu select? 02.51.59 # select is the button in the middle 02.52.07 # when an ipod is off that is how you wake it up 02.52.17 # okay 02.52.19 # should just be tap that and wait, dont toggle hold or do anything else 02.52.35 # it should boot by default but it hasnt after I installed rockbox? 02.52.37 # if you need to reboot select+menu, hold till it reboots 02.52.54 # did you have the utility install the bootloader? 02.53.02 # yes 02.53.32 # what model of ipod 02.53.42 # huh, that was unexpected. I now have a 4.9.4-compiled archos image. 02.53.44 # Ipod 6 gen 02.54.05 Quit MrZeus (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 02.54.13 # hmm, cant remember if 6 gen needs special handling... 02.54.16 # lemme look 02.54.25 # alright 02.55.31 # doesnt say much on the wiki about it 02.55.51 # i would try telling the utility to uninstall and reinstall rockbox and see what happens 02.56.00 # Rockbox utility recognized the device as well? 02.56.03 # alright 02.56.06 # also make sure you have the latest version of it 02.56.26 # oi 02.56.27 # hmm, if it autodetected it should have worked 02.57.07 # the latest version is 3.1 right? 02.58.29 # 1.4.1 according to wiki 02.58.34 # ah 02.58.52 # the latest one doesnt work on my computer it crashes.. 02.59.09 # what os are you running? 02.59.31 # windowa 02.59.34 # windows 02.59.38 # what version of windows 02.59.57 # 7 03.00.03 # 32 or 64 bit? 03.00.08 # 32 03.00.19 # that might be the problem, idk if 1.4.1 has a 32 bit build 03.00.28 # oh okay 03.02.06 # and unfortunately it looks like 1.4.1 or better is the build where ipod 6g support was implemented 03.02.24 Join S|h|a|w|n [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 03.02.30 # implemented? 03.03.01 # added in, made working etc 03.03.08 # ohh 03.03.19 # looks like Ill have to try a more recent version 03.03.40 # lemme take a look at the binary in the win32 build 03.04.43 # hmm, i think it might still work on a 32 bit machine 03.04.50 # ok 03.04.59 # what error do you get when it crashes? 03.05.55 # im not exactly sure as I can not remember but it did tell me something like It was not compatible with the system 03.06.23 # http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/RockboxUtility-v1.4.1.zip try this and screenshot any error it gives you 03.06.43 # okay 03.07.30 # so it says 03.07.50 # theres a kernerl that couldnt be specified in the system 03.08.00 # kernel 03.08.40 # anything else? 03.09.04 # thats it then it stops working and winow closes the program 03.09.47 # yeah idk, probably going to need one of the people more familiar with this to handle it 03.10.14 # whats the latest version that supports 6 gen? 03.10.23 # speachy: ping 03.10.38 # hmm? version of rbutil? 03.11.01 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 03.11.05 # yea 03.11.17 # hes on win7 32 bit 03.11.27 # getting a crash in rbutil 03.11.40 # i gave him 1.4.1 03.11.45 # it may be a vista.. not certain 03.12.05 Quit S|h|a|w|n (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.12.14 # there have been nearly no changes in rbutil since then 03.13.50 # Nugettes: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13443/windows-which-version-am-i-running 03.14.23 # I don't think I can cross-compile it for windows with what I have set up now 03.14.41 # yea its a vista.. 03.15.08 # vista was always a really weird os 03.15.13 # lits like half-baked win7 03.15.19 # I can try version 3.0 03.15.23 # with a lot of xp 03.15.31 # lol 03.15.34 # i mean you can but afaik that version doesnt support your ipod 03.15.51 # I did before ... 03.16.04 # try 1.4.0, idk if that has 6g support or not 03.16.23 # maybe its the logic board that got switched out?? 03.16.35 # I changed the logic board for a new one... 03.16.55 # did you reinitialise the ipod uding itunes after that? 03.16.57 # logic board could be a different model not sure? 03.16.58 # using 03.17.08 # also yeah that could be causing problems as well 03.17.24 # yes 03.17.42 # what does itunes see the ipod as? 03.17.49 # Its not getting recognized on iTunes either 03.18.02 # but the computer itself recognizes it 03.18.12 # yeha if itunes doesnt like it something is wrong 03.18.20 # also not helping is your really old OS 03.18.34 # Doesnt the 80gb and 160gb logic board look different? 03.18.44 # idk for the g6 03.18.51 # all i have is a 5.5 video 03.18.58 # I ordered an 80gb version 03.19.10 # hmm ill restart the ipod on itunes 03.20.08 # heres the SN of the model 03.20.52 # SN: 8N748RVSYMV 03.21.28 # is that what itunes sees or off the case or what 03.21.40 # if you replaced the logic board case SN goes out the window 03.21.44 # this is what itunes displays the ipod model as 03.25.29 # wait but thats the SN 03.25.53 Join S|h|a|w|n [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 03.26.50 # according to apple site the YMV makes it a first gen classic 03.26.54 # I restired the ipd on itunes 03.27.05 # ill check 03.28.53 # ok 03.29.11 # its MB147LL 03.32.05 # now that itunes likes it again, maybe try version 1.4.0 of rbutil 03.32.25 # that version doesnt work with my os. 03.32.34 # ill try an older version 03.32.41 # http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/RockboxUtility-v1.4.0.zip 03.33.02 # i mean you can run as old a version as you want, but if it doesnt have support for your ipod model it snot going to help you much 03.33.57 # also 1.4.0 is not the same as 1.4.1 03.34.03 # ok 03.34.08 # ohh okay 03.34.17 # 1.4.1 was built late 2019 looks like 03.34.27 # 1.4.0 was early 2014 03.35.00 # so it probably has a better chance of running on your ancient machine 03.35.25 # had to close my ipod as I left it open after I repaired 03.35.27 # it 03.36.10 Quit sherbets (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 03.36.26 # 4.0 works with my os 03.37.43 # okay I instaled it 03.39.02 # when installing does it ask for certain buttons to be selected during installation also a beep can be heard correct? 03.40.28 # do whatever it says when it tells you to do it 03.40.41 # im not imtimately familiar with 6g install process 03.40.41 # okay I already installed it 03.41.58 # hmm I restarted it apple logo still loads not rockbox. 03.42.24 # isnt there a way to over wright apple files? 03.42.48 # not a good idea 03.43.08 # also the apple logo should load initially, then if everything goes well it will switch over to rockbox 03.43.11 # Apple wont let rockbox load.. 03.43.31 # yea it didnt do thar 03.43.37 # that 03.43.50 Quit randomguy1024 (Remote host closed the connection) 03.44.15 # yeah idk man 03.44.26 # try and find a friend with a newer machine to try the latest version of rbutil on 03.44.42 # its worked on here before 03.44.51 # or burn and boot from a linux livecd and run the latest version there 03.44.59 # Dont know whats the issue now... 03.45.05 Quit cockroach (Quit: leaving) 03.45.16 # itunes must be stopping it from booting 03.45.31 # yeah itunes needs to be not running to run the rbutil properly 03.45.41 # hmmm.. 03.45.44 # that might also be why 1.4.1 was crashing 03.46.01 # itunes wasnt open when I had 1.4.1 open 03.46.06 # but was it running 03.46.12 # itunes likes to silently start when you log in 03.46.14 # no 03.46.33 # I made sure to stop itunes from booting in task manager 03.48.21 # yeha idk then 03.48.39 # try and find a local library thats still open and try and use one of their machines if its newer than yours and see if that helps 03.48.47 # maybe netcafe or gmaing lounge 03.48.47 # hmmm is there a specific file that helps diskmode boot? 03.49.44 # ill try that tomorrow 03.51.02 # disk mode has a specific file right? 03.52.14 # idk on yours 03.52.22 # i think its part of the apple firmware on 6g 03.52.35 # i just know somoene who removed the apple firmware form his 6g didnt have it anymore 03.52.47 # hmm 03.52.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.53.37 # id say if you can try and at least update your machine to win7 if it has enough hardware 03.53.48 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@2600:6c58:4c7f:936b:4171:c48c:b0a5:4b29) 03.53.52 # i think that might be the oldest version of winodws currently supported, least according to the wiki 03.54.02 # yea. 03.54.48 # I have another machine with wind 7.. Ill try it on that 03.56.44 # yeah try that and let us know how it goes 03.59.58 # alright thanks for the help! 04.03.22 Join massiveH [0] (~massiveH@ool-18e4eaeb.dyn.optonline.net) 04.04.17 # im gonna try on the other computer real quick 04.21.37 # Hi I just installed 04.21.50 # the newest version of rockbox on the ipod 04.21.56 # in the new OS 04.22.10 # but it didn't load within the ipod. 04.23.09 # Lonoxmont 04.32.03 Quit koniu (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.32.35 # I think I see what I did wrong 04.32.44 # Bootloader wasnt checked in 04.34.46 # in rockboc utility 04.38.01 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.45.06 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 04.48.47 # I successfuly installed rockbox 04.53.59 # I have a problem... I installed rockbox but I am still limited to 128GB... 04.55.38 # <_Bilgus> how much space should it have? 04.56.02 # 2TB 04.56.10 # It limited to 128gb 04.56.56 # I left the original apple firmware and I even installed it with rockbox utility 04.57.19 # I'm not sure what I did wrong...? 04.58.15 # <_Bilgus> well it'll still be limited in the OF but rb should utilize all of it but I'm not sure how you proceed 04.59.31 # exactly 04.59.44 # Rockbox should be able to exceed that 05.01.35 # Maybe I should reinstall it? 05.12.37 # <_Bilgus> Its probably more like it needs to be formatted correctly or maybe a second partition 05.13.13 # hmmm 05.13.33 # I already fromatted all disks 05.13.40 # inthe ipod they are all FAT 32 05.13.44 # and so is the ipod 05.14.08 # I have to format the ipod with another software? 05.16.12 # I don't think I have that software 05.22.41 # Wahts it called? 05.28.45 # What is it called? 05.36.21 # Can I use any freeware format programs to format? 05.36.35 # or is there any recommended? 05.39.31 # alright thx for the help! 05.39.35 Part Nugettes 05.40.18 # <_Bilgus> windows rufus or rmusbprep come to mind 05.40.26 Join Davian [0] (4574c419@ool-4574c419.dyn.optonline.net) 05.40.37 # <_Bilgus> I can't remember which is best lol 05.40.52 Part Davian 05.41.19 Join Nugettes [0] (4574c419@ool-4574c419.dyn.optonline.net) 05.41.21 # Ah okay 05.41.54 # Theres one I remember coming across it has a black usb logo I believe? 05.45.31 # <_Bilgus> In my vm it looks like rufus might be the better of the two but you might have something else that'd do better? 05.45.38 # found it its called rufus 05.46.23 # wait if I format will I have to reinstall rockbox? 05.47.09 # <_Bilgus> yes 05.47.36 # <_Bilgus> you could possibly use something like diskwizard? 05.47.45 # <_Bilgus> one of the partition managers 05.47.53 # hmm 05.48.08 # it will still erase all my contents right? 05.48.25 # <_Bilgus> no 05.48.40 # <_Bilgus> you could just resize partitions or possibly add another 05.48.53 # oh 05.48.59 # <_Bilgus> I think its partition wizard or maybe partition magic? 05.49.28 # this? https://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/discwizard/ 05.49.33 # <_Bilgus> idk if either is still around or work for usb's no clue its been ages 05.49.40 # <_Bilgus> no 05.49.46 # hmm okay 05.49.59 # Ill just use rufus and reinstall rockbox 05.50.35 # <_Bilgus> https://www.partitionwizard.com/ 05.51.39 # ah okay thanks 05.51.51 # How do I re partition or create a new partition? 05.52.50 # <_Bilgus> it should be pretty evident whats going on in that program IIRC its a gui that shows how big the partition is and how big you can make it 05.52.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.53.17 # ah okay 05.53.20 # <_Bilgus> if you reformat it just set it for the max size 05.53.26 # It seems I have to pay for it 05.53.31 # <_Bilgus> https://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html 05.53.37 # <_Bilgus> theres the free version 05.53.45 # okay thanks 05.58.22 # what is partition label? 05.59.19 # <_Bilgus> IPOD? 05.59.24 # <_Bilgus> or leave it blank 05.59.36 # ah ok 06.04.41 # wait will this remove the original firmaware as well? 06.04.58 # Will I only be with the rockbox firmware 06.07.59 # <_Bilgus> are you reformatting? 06.08.59 # I already reformatted it wiped all the contents 06.09.24 # I dont have a partition either its what read on rockbox 06.12.05 # <_Bilgus> ok you need to do a format and put in a partition 06.12.22 # hmm okay 06.12.23 # <_Bilgus> the formatter should put in a partition for you 06.12.29 # ok 06.12.33 # <_Bilgus> otherwise you need to do it manually 06.13.28 # <_Bilgus> and yes you probably need to go back through iTunes to get your OF back on there 06.13.37 # <_Bilgus> sorry iPods are not my thing 06.14.53 # ok 06.15.10 # Its not giving me the ability to create a partition after I deleted the partitions 06.15.56 # <_Bilgus> are you using rufus? 06.16.15 # no 06.16.27 # im using the program you asked 06.16.36 # told me about 06.17.06 # <_Bilgus> that shoul have allowed you to resize the partitions 06.17.24 # it didnt.. 06.17.29 # <_Bilgus> not delete them 06.17.36 # oh... 06.17.45 # <_Bilgus> I'd just start over in rufus and reformat 06.17.53 # okay 06.19.42 # <_Bilgus> Boot selection > Non bootable, Partition scheme > MBR File system FAT 32 try the default Cluster size 06.20.21 # ok 06.20.23 # <_Bilgus> I'm doing this off their screenshot 06.21.37 # alright im going to restart the ipod on itunes and reformat the ipod through rufus 06.21.41 # then install rockbox 06.22.21 # <_Bilgus> ok i'd follow the guide for this part tbh 06.22.40 # ok 06.31.14 Quit sherbets (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 06.37.30 # hmm rufus doesnt seem to want to run on this computer? 06.38.05 # <_Bilgus> oi task 1 install linux or a mordern OS lol 06.38.15 # <_Bilgus> *more modern* 06.38.17 # ohh 06.38.36 # hmm im gonna try on the other computer 06.40.10 # <_Bilgus> stop using that one lol 06.40.34 # windows 7? 06.40.49 # it works on that one but not the one im currently on 06.41.29 # <_Bilgus> hell I think win7 is even out of support 06.42.02 # yes it is now but it works 06.42.17 # <_Bilgus> ubuntu is not too bad it'll be faster and much more stable then you can run xp or vista in a vm if you like 06.42.50 # shouls I install rockbox first or reformat the ipod? 06.43.08 # should* 06.43.47 # <_Bilgus> you'll need to reformat first 06.43.57 # ok 06.44.02 Quit massiveH (Quit: Leaving) 06.45.35 # hmmm im not able to click on anything 06.47.11 # it only allows me to lcick on the boot section after that im not able to click on anything else 06.48.18 # ah ok I clicked on list usb hard drive 06.49.45 # hmmm how am I going to keep the apple firmware after the format wiped everything off? 06.51.35 # should I copy the OF files off the disk and put them back in? 06.54.47 # this didnt work either... 06.55.04 # minitool worked better.. 07.01.01 Join Loeb [0] (~urp@76.229.134.243) 07.09.05 # why do I only see126gb.. 07.09.17 # I dont see the rest of the disk space.. 07.18.05 # <_Bilgus> all I can fugure is that the OF makes it 128 gb again Idk but I'm sure someone else can help you with it that actually has an ipod 07.18.22 # <_Bilgus> maybe you need to create several partitions IDK 07.18.51 # okay 07.19.59 # how do I ceate a partitiion with wizard 07.20.20 # Minitool 07.21.27 # <_Bilgus> just wait till you hear back 07.21.42 # <_Bilgus> rather than risk screwing something up 07.22.37 # I think I already did.. 07.24.14 # <_Bilgus> meh doubt its anything too very bad 07.25.08 # I cant seem to find any unallocated space in minitool 07.25.53 # <_Bilgus> thats because you already formatted the max size 07.26.29 # <_Bilgus> basically the drive is formatted properly but the ipod isn't showing it to you 07.26.48 # <_Bilgus> I'm not familar enough with it to tell you why or how to fix it 07.27.01 # <_Bilgus> I swore off apple quite a long while ago 07.27.34 # :( 07.27.49 # maybe diskpart could help?? 07.29.41 # <_Bilgus> maybe waiting for someone who has a extra large ipod WILL help lol 07.30.08 # _builtin has an ipod.. 07.30.19 # @_builtin 07.31.00 # nothing seems to be working... 07.31.09 # <_Bilgus> he's close to my timezone and in bed most likely 07.31.29 # rufus did something wierd to the ipod.. 07.32.02 # It didnt resize the partition except kept it the same 07.33.50 # wait i think I figured it out 07.34.00 # the ipod is ntsf 07.34.07 # <_Bilgus> thats odd maybe you already have multiple partitions on there 07.34.27 # <_Bilgus> yeah rb only supports fat32 07.34.33 # there should be an unallocated space 07.34.46 # but since its ntsf it doesnt see it 07.35.30 # <_Bilgus> then you need to wipe all that out so yes diskpart might help 07.36.20 # what do I do with diskpart? 07.36.36 # I dont know the exact steps but am familiar with it 07.37.03 # <_Bilgus> you read online about how to use it 07.38.55 # <_Bilgus> https://www.diskpart.com/articles/diskpart-format-fat32-7201.html 07.39.07 # <_Bilgus> just be careful you get the right drive 07.39.14 # yea 07.39.52 # <_Bilgus> hmm Although DiskPart is a great choice when Windows Disk Management and File Explorer fail to format hard drive to FAT32, it also shares a common limitation with the other two tools: they cannot format a large drive (over 32GB) to FAT32. When you try to perform such formatting task in Diskpart, you will receive an error message saying "The volume size is too big for FAT32"(as shown in the below screenshot). 07.40.12 # <_Bilgus> windows sure sucks for this 07.40.52 # oh then what shall I dooo 07.40.56 # <_Bilgus> you should be able to do it through partition wizard too 07.43.00 # its not allowing me to resize 07.44.13 # <_Bilgus> that first article recommended this: https://www.diskpart.com/free-partition-manager.html 07.44.23 # <_Bilgus> no clue.. 07.44.35 # <_Bilgus> I'd just use linux l9ol 07.44.39 # <_Bilgus> lol 07.44.49 # ugh 07.45.50 # i used diskpart last time and did something therer 07.46.17 # I deleted the partition and resuzed it to full space? 07.52.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.07.22 # hmm im gonna try to reinstall rockbox 08.11.09 # I changed the file systrm to exfat and it loacted all the space 08.13.28 # <_Bilgus> rb ONLY supports Fat32 08.14.36 # <_Bilgus> windows builtin formatting doesn't support 2 TB drives so you need something that doesn't use the windows built-in utilities 08.14.54 # :I 08.15.22 # rockbox is supposed to loacte the rest of the unallocated space rigth? 08.15.39 # once installed 08.16.58 # <_Bilgus> doubtful 08.22.25 # maybe rufus will do thejob 08.22.55 # but it turned the device into another device? 08.29.48 # <_Bilgus> you might try RMPrepUSB I know one of them works for big usb drives 08.31.20 # <_Bilgus> https://www.howtogeek.com/316977/how-to-format-usb-drives-larger-than-32gb-with-fat32-on-windows/ 08.31.30 # ok 08.34.03 # where can I download? 08.38.11 # nvm i see it 08.39.05 # <_Bilgus> O_o 08.44.55 # nothing happens when I open it 08.46.08 # what now? 08.46.55 # <_Bilgus> I'm going to bed goodnight 08.47.14 # <_Bilgus> hint its your pc 08.47.17 # ah ok 08.47.23 # oh 08.47.29 # gn 08.50.49 Part Nugettes 09.52.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.56.10 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.57.48 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.01.57 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@33.red-88-26-67.staticip.rima-tde.net) 11.40.26 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.42.16 Quit S|h|a|w|n (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.53.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.47.17 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 12.56.51 Quit mendelmunkis (Remote host closed the connection) 12.57.15 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@65-128-208-151.mpls.qwest.net) 13.05.37 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.09.48 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13.17.00 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 13.17.57 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@m83-191-113-108.cust.tele2.se) 13.18.18 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@45.152.183.180) 13.18.49 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 13.24.26 Quit Natch (Remote host closed the connection) 13.38.15 Join randomguy1024 [0] (4eea4124@fer01-1-78-234-65-36.fbx.proxad.net) 13.53.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.10.45 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 14.13.13 Join cockroach [0] (~blattodea@pdpc/supporter/active/cockroach) 14.25.33 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.26.57 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@c188-150-217-176.bredband.comhem.se) 14.29.19 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 14.29.44 Quit randomguy1024 (Remote host closed the connection) 14.36.18 Join Natch [0] (~Natch@h-112-130.A444.priv.bahnhof.se) 14.41.17 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15.14.28 Quit St3ak (Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net) 15.14.45 Join St3ak [0] (~st3ak@st3ak3000.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) 15.15.05 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 15.39.20 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 15.48.41 # I wrote a bunch of scripts to analyze the ipod transfer issues and so far it seems that I can easily reproduce it with a few MB of data. what might be interesting is that all the failures seem to affect whole sectors (i.e. the corruption starts at an address that can be divided by 512). 15.49.37 # it would seem that the ipod just stops writing at those positions -- the remaining data is the stuff that used to be on the memory card before 15.50.31 # and I did manage to see a *PANIC* screen once. it said "mount: 0, pc:00071b8c sp:00100368", in case that helps. 15.50.57 Join mendel_munkis_ [0] (~mendelmun@65-128-208-151.mpls.qwest.net) 15.51.43 Quit mendelmunkis (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.53.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.01.14 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 16.15.25 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.15.26 # cockroach: and in disk mode this didnt happen? 16.17.36 # Lonoxmont: no, in disk mode it works reliably 16.18.14 # so its specific to rockbox then 16.18.29 # hmm 16.18.47 # i dont suppose you also have an ipod with the smaller sectors? 16.19.05 # my guess is this is a corner case with the 5.5g ipods 16.24.50 # Lonoxmont: i do have one of those, yes, but it's currently broken. spare parts should arrive later this week... 16.25.10 # awesome 16.25.21 # gonna be interesting if this is just a video issue 16.25.32 # in which cas eim guessing the fix is 'use disk mode' 16.25.42 # since lel no devs 16.27.59 Quit sherbets (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.28.15 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 16.29.37 Quit sherbets (Client Quit) 16.29.49 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 16.30.09 Quit sherbets (Client Quit) 16.30.39 Join sherbets [0] (~Thunderbi@2600:6c58:4c7f:936b:4171:c48c:b0a5:4b29) 16.39.02 # Lonoxmont: heh I hope we won't be limited to disk mode forever... 16.39.24 # eh, imo its not the end of the world 16.39.27 # least in my use cases 16.39.33 # its fast enough for what i do 16.39.37 # <_Bilgus> its not just the video 16.40.01 # <_Bilgus> its rb + iflash issue AFAIK 16.40.44 # <_Bilgus> cockroach are you using the latest dev version? 16.40.45 # does iflash do open source on their design and such? 16.40.59 # might be able to work with them or something on this 16.42.44 # <_Bilgus> gotta diagnose it first and we did work on them with this they sent _builtin one to try and test 16.43.30 # <_Bilgus> sorry __builtin *magic incantation* 16.44.23 Join lezt [0] (5c0d5f30@host-92-13-95-48.as43234.net) 16.44.30 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 16.45.01 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 16.45.12 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.45.21 Quit lezt (Remote host closed the connection) 16.53.44 # _Bilgus: almost, a checkout from last sunday 16.54.35 # <_Bilgus> you'll need the map file by a checkout I assume you compiled it? 16.54.58 # what map file? 16.55.28 # ah, rockbox.map? 16.55.29 # :) 16.55.40 # indeed it's there 16.56.11 # <_Bilgus> the one generated by compiling the build rockbox.maap 16.56.34 # aye. and what do I do with it? 16.56.37 # <_Bilgus> lol so now look in it for what function is at that pc 16.57.00 # <_Bilgus> *or near it* 16.57.27 # <_Bilgus> or pastebin it and I can look 16.58.50 # the closest (lower) one would be usb_status_event at 0x00000000000718ac 16.59.45 # but it's pastebinned at https://pastebin.com/QWnbDR8R 16.59.58 # in case you would like to have a look yourself 17.00.44 # (need to go buy some food, back soon) 17.07.47 # <_Bilgus> I'd concur with that function https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/usb.c#L551 17.08.04 Quit sherbets (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.12.39 # <_Bilgus> https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/target/arm/pp/usb-fw-pp502x.c#L222 17.31.33 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@33.red-88-26-67.staticip.rima-tde.net) 17.42.26 # oh this is fun: I just tried a different iflash adapter (one that uses a compactflash card) and that one seems to work flawlessly. 17.42.47 # i.e. it's only rockbox + iflash + sdcard 17.44.14 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.44.44 # good thing I just ordered a big sd card ... 17.45.31 # CF cards are directly ATA compatible (at least not the very old ones), so CF adapters tend to be simple passthrough 17.46.21 # ah right, that makes some sense then. 17.49.25 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 17.53.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.53.36 # Lonoxmont: I managed to revive the 512-bytes-per-sector ipod, the same thing happens there too, so it's not limited to 2k ipods 17.56.04 # thats weird 17.56.13 # hopefully we can work with iflash on this 18.02.28 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@45.152.183.180) 18.03.42 # hmm, I wonder whether I have an account on the forums. *some*body has one with my name, but I'm not sure whether that's me or not :) 18.04.18 # thankfully my name is rare enough that usually i dont have that issue :V 18.04.27 # indeed! 18.05.02 # I can look at that account and confirm if you like 18.05.48 # oh, that would be nice 18.06.54 # Username "cockroach"? 18.06.59 # yes 18.08.07 Quit St3ak (Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net) 18.08.23 Join St3ak [0] (~st3ak@st3ak3000.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) 18.08.34 # * gevaerts now tries to think of an authentication method that does not leak data :) 18.08.42 # heh, same here :) 18.08.53 # let me /query you 18.23.54 Join sherbets1 [0] (~Thunderbi@97.86.63.168) 18.31.51 Join lebellium [0] (~lebellium@89-92-253-148.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 18.56.43 Join Nugettes [0] (4574c419@ool-4574c419.dyn.optonline.net) 18.57.37 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 18.58.08 # Hi I successfuly installed rockbox to my Ipod but was still left with 128gb. Although if I format im left with only the rockbox firmware and the apple firmware gone after format? Looks like I dont have the option to keep both firmware. 18.59.13 # Any ideas to work around this problem? 19.04.16 # __builtin 19.11.06 # Nugettes: lok into using the gparted livecd to extend the fat32 partition on your ipod 19.11.09 # look 19.11.23 # its what i use for most dicking around with partitions 19.11.34 # <_Bilgus> yeah good idea use LINUX 19.11.37 # <_Bilgus> :p 19.12.18 # Hmmm 19.12.20 # a livecd wont touch your machine unless you tell it to 19.12.26 # so its relatively safe 19.12.45 # Ah 19.12.48 # you can also use a usb drive instead of a cd if you want but thats usually not as universal in most pc firmware 19.13.40 # How much space would a usb need? 19.13.43 # i mean a cd 19.14.05 # a cd holds ~700mb so thats what the image you would be burning to it maxes out at 19.14.18 # i dont think gparted live is that big 19.14.48 # Hmmm 19.15.33 # Thats strange i individually selerated all four disc and formatted all to fat32 ... then inserted them back in 19.15.43 # yeah that wont work 19.15.50 # Ah 19.15.55 # that just makes 4 individual fat32 filesystems 19.16.00 # they dont automatically add together 19.16.13 # How would I keep the apple firmware after I format? 19.16.21 # by not reformatting at all 19.16.34 # its possible to use software to resize a partition as long as you have space on the device to do it in 19.16.57 Join MrZeus [0] (~MrZeus@79-65-237-109.host.pobb.as13285.net) 19.18.00 # I was told to keep both rockbox and apple firmware to keep diskmode just incase any emergencies although i came across a problem whenI format the apple firmware is wiped and if I restart it with Itunes it goes back to 128gb 19.18.33 # alright so 19.18.35 # Resizing the partition didnt work for me either all it showed was 128gb as well 19.18.40 # i think for us to give you any meaningful support 19.18.44 # you are going to need to learn some things 19.18.52 # Right 19.19.32 # go read up on the difference between a partition and a filesystem, the difference between reformatting and resizing is 19.20.09 # Ok 19.20.09 # read up what a livecd is, how to burn one 19.20.15 # get gparted live, look up how to work it 19.21.17 # Yea I know what a Livecd is and how formstting and resizing works although when resizing it was still limited to 127gb 19.21.58 # you need to be in an operating system that can see how large the storage actually is on the ipod 19.21.59 # Im not sure how to find the rest of the unallocated space. 19.22.11 # Ah ok 19.22.30 # if itunes or whatever you are using takes the partition table as gospel as to the size of the storage, you arent going to get anywhere unless you can change that table 19.22.48 Quit sherbets1 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.22.49 # Oh 19.23.20 # so i would reccomend gparted livecd, boot one of your computers into that and connect the ipod 19.23.31 # It worked before... but I got rid of apple 19.23.35 # it should then show up in gparted as a device you can edit and then you should be able to extend the partition 19.23.50 # you probably wiped the entire thing and started from scratch with a fresh partitintable 19.24.04 # doing so will wipe out the firmware partition apple uses for its firmware that is installed by itunes 19.24.12 # Yea 19.24.41 # again, it should be possible to modify the existing fat32 partition using software that can see past what the ipod is reporting 19.24.54 # which is easiest in a non-windows environment 19.26.02 # i am familiar with the gparted livecd environment and can walk you through it if you set that up 19.26.02 # That would be easy If I had a livecd to run on the computer. 19.26.15 # all you need is a writeable cd or a usb drive you arent using 19.26.25 # Ah. Ok 19.27.03 # I'll have to look for a cd 19.29.32 # Then what will I do? 19.29.37 # a usb drive you dont mind wiping will also work 19.29.55 # you download the iso image and use whatever burning software you have to write it to the cd 19.30.12 # let me check and see what i use on windows... 19.30.50 # https://www.imgburn.com/ these guys 19.31.18 # this also assumes you have a drive capable of writing a cd, which in theory you should have on a computer new enough to run windows 7 19.31.24 # idk about the vista machine, it might be too old 19.31.36 # it should mention cd writing somewhere on the face of the drive 19.32.05 # Hmm ok 19.34.29 # This shouldn't be to hard. It shows step by step imageson how to do it 19.38.54 # also you will probably have to have the ipod in disk mode to get at the entire storage 19.39.03 # idk if it will show the whole storage running normally 19.39.11 # Oh 19.39.33 # Disk image runs by pressing certain buttons? 19.39.56 # dusk mode is usually select+play/pause at boot of ipod 19.39.59 # disk mode 19.40.24 # so reboot with select+menu then immediately switch down to select+play/pause once it reboots 19.42.39 # Ok but first I have to find a CD 19.43.01 # you can also use a usb drive that you dont mind wiping 19.45.01 # Hmm I dont have any usb 19.48.28 # What If The cd doesnt boot after I installed the Live firmware 19.52.29 # you might need to go into the firmware on your pc and adjust the boot order to include the cd drive, if it doesnt just let you outright pick where to boot from as a one-off 19.52.44 # usually to get there its one of the function keys while it is booting 19.53.01 # common ones are f8, f12, sometimes f2 19.53.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.53.32 # i cant tell form here which one it is for your specific machine but usually there should be text on the screen saying press whatever to get to setup 19.53.41 # or press whatever for boot options 19.56.18 # Ah ok 19.57.03 # wouldn't a blue screen with BIOS show up to select the specific Os you would want to boot after pressing F12 19.57.32 # quite possible, again i dont have your machine in front of me to test but yes it hsould let you select where to boot from 19.57.50 # you would want in this case to boot from the cd drive that has the livecd in it 19.58.42 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 19.59.03 # Ok 19.59.05 # also, if you havent already, have some method of getting onto irc that isnt the machine you are booting into the livecd 19.59.22 # the livecd does have networking support but its probably going to be unfamiliar to get to 20.00.26 # Ok 20.00.49 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@port-92-193-100-145.dynamic.as20676.net) 20.01.26 # was there anyone out there with an archos target willing to be a guinea pig? 20.10.17 Quit Nugettes (Remote host closed the connection) 20.17.40 Quit craftyguy (Remote host closed the connection) 20.18.29 Join craftyguy [0] (~craftyguy@qutebrowser/dev/craftyguy) 20.20.29 Quit Rower (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.24.16 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21.07.43 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21.38.30 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21.53.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.53.23 Join S|h|a|w|n [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 21.57.17 Quit S|h|a|w|n (Client Quit) 22.30.38 Join dimqua [0] (~quassel@2a01:4f9:2a:14e2:335::9b45) 22.34.49 # Hi. Are there any recommendations on how to encode music for Rockbox players? And/or Sansa Clip+ specifically. 22.38.54 # rockbox supports pretty much every codec that's commonly used, and several that don't. 22.39.44 # other than being careful of mp4 (bigger files can cause rockbox to choke; this is a problem inherent to mp4 unfortunately) pretty much go with whatever sounds good to your ears. 22.40.41 # newer codecs produce better quality for a given file size, and the clip+ is fast enough to play any format. 22.46.13 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.47.36 # speachy: what devices are archos targets? 22.51.22 Quit ufdm (Quit: Leaving) 22.52.01 # If you have to ask, you don't have one :) 22.52.12 # The Archos targets are the ones made by Archos 22.58.40 # <_Bilgus> dimqua, mp3/flac/opus 22.59.51 # <_Bilgus> if you have the room + quality source of recordings flac 23.00.22 # <_Bilgus> mp3 will be the easiest on battery life 23.02.01 # <_Bilgus> cockroach, thanks for the write up 23.02.08 # <_Bilgus> stickied. 23.03.08 # _Bilgus: you're welcome 23.04.00 # and thanks for making it sticky, I feel honoured :) 23.04.04 # <_Bilgus> I also added linux to your list of things needed 23.04.19 # _Bilgus: even mp3 320? 23.04.30 # ah yes, that makes sense 23.04.41 # <_Bilgus> dimqua sure 23.05.25 # is opus, for example, much battery-hungry? 23.05.44 # <_Bilgus> uh let me find the comparison webpage 23.06.21 # (also, the kangaroo thing might be the greatest spam protection ever) 23.06.55 # kangaroo thing? 23.09.05 # the captcha on the forums 23.09.35 # <_Bilgus> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#AMS_AS3525v2_w_47_96MHz_PClK_40ARM926EJ_45S_41 23.09.53 # <_Bilgus> dimqua scroll down till you get to the clipzip one 23.11.08 # <_Bilgus> probably easier to just search for Clip Zip 23.11.30 # <_Bilgus> anyways those results are a bit old but will still give you an idea 23.12.58 # <_Bilgus> if it was 100% or less of runtime then the device is going to skip 23.13.16 # <_Bilgus> so read it as higher % = better battery life 23.13.46 # _Bilgus: do you mean "realtime"? 23.13.57 # <_Bilgus> yes sorry realtime 23.14.27 # Well, 100% would not leave anything for other stuff, so realistically you need 120% or so 23.16.26 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 23.18.45 # _Bilgus: FLAC has 2500% realtime, mp3 has 700-800%. Does it mean FLAC is easier on battery? 23.19.33 # <_Bilgus> sure bu hard on space 23.19.43 # <_Bilgus> flac takes up more room per file 23.19.54 # <_Bilgus> but is higher quality 23.20.21 # Why not choose Musepack, for example? 23.20.30 # <_Bilgus> well garbage in garbage out but if given good quality original file then it will be good quality out 23.21.26 # <_Bilgus> never tried it I have mp3 flac and opus thats probably tes same for most people 23.21.38 # <_Bilgus> the* 23.22.59 # tbh I think it's a bit pointless to encode (by yourself) to such a popular format such as mp3, since you can download it anywhere. :-) 23.24.37 # <_Bilgus> depends a lot on space, file quality, what your other devices support 23.26.32 # do any of you think it worth using WavPack Lossy? 23.26.52 # On hard disk devices, larger files means more disk spinups, which means more power usage that way 23.32.35 Quit amiconn (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) 23.32.35 Quit pixelma (Quit: .) 23.34.00 Join amiconn [0] (jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.34.00 Join pixelma [0] (marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 23.48.18 # Lonoxmont, the archos targets are the very first devices Rockbox was written for. They are... very, very obsolete. 23.53.10 # and are also the only ones to do the codec (mp3 only) in hardware. 23.53.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.52 # <_Bilgus> are are going to be removed (soon?)