--- Log for 08.05.120 Server: hitchcock.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 0 hours ago 00.12.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.17.24 Part AForkInTheButt 00.58.41 # <_Bilgus> I think they are our own versions 00.58.56 # <_Bilgus> maybe posix IDR 02.12.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.21.35 Quit MrZeus_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 03.58.29 Quit cockroach (Quit: leaving) 04.12.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.39.38 # <_Bilgus> yes posix: https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/common/file.c#L799 05.43.07 Quit [7] (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.43.15 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.12.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.42.14 Quit Ckat (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.50.21 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 06.53.24 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07.26.47 Join Ckat [0] (~Ckat@xn--z7x.xn--6frz82g) 07.26.53 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-182-188.sxct.qwest.net) 07.26.53 Quit advcomp2019_ (Changing host) 07.26.53 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 07.29.14 Quit amiconn (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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18.06.01 Quit MrZeus_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18.08.29 Join MrZeus_ [0] (~MrZeus@89-168-117-155.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 18.12.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.16.48 # * speachy is just peachy today. 18.17.21 # speachy's peachy? :) 18.17.32 # well, only on days ending in Y 18.17.43 # :) 18.17.57 # that's good to hear 18.18.18 # hey, apparently there's a rockbox android app? 18.18.32 # how does it stack up against other android music player apps? 18.18.34 # yes, but it doesn't work on >= 4.4 18.18.40 # er, >4.4 18.19.13 # like, doesn't even start? 18.19.47 Quit Riku (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18.19.57 # basically 18.20.56 # also the UI paradigm doesn't map well to touch interfaces. 18.21.31 Join Riku [0] (~riku@toroon2938w-lp140-01-70-24-131-34.dsl.bell.ca) 18.26.31 # apparently there's work in the chinese rockbox community to get the app working on lollipop and above 18.26.33 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,14177.msg241498.html#msg241498 18.26.59 # i wonder if any of that work got merged into the mainline project 18.32.48 # nope 18.33.12 # AFAIK no source for that was ever published 18.36.38 # So this isn't it? 18.36.40 # https://github.com/Rockbox-Chinese-Community/Rockbox-RCC 18.38.09 Quit ubervison (Remote host closed the connection) 18.38.21 # thare have been almost no changes in the android/ subdirectory, and what chances there are seem to be trivial. 18.38.44 # shucks 18.39.11 # so what exactly is stopping the app from launching on newer versions of android? 18.39.59 # changed APIs for always-on stuff. 18.40.39 # and probably plenty of others, but that's the biggue 18.41.01 # someone comfortable with Android stuff could probably knock this out in relatively short order 18.41.12 # but that describes nobody here 18.45.59 # the diffstat on that repo between master is +7108-584 18.47.30 # wasn't the problem dalvik => art and requiring some changes in a very lowlevel port of Rockbox? 18.47.40 # s/port/part 18.48.29 # AFAIK the NDK portion (ie most of the code) remains unchanged, but it's possible the interface betweeen the native code and the "java" code needs changing too. 18.49.21 # plus rockbox is fixed to a specific screen size at compile time 18.49.28 # if it needs to be done right. I believe there was a hack by wodz to make it run at all but that was not done "right" 18.49.57 # long story short.. needs a decent amount of work by someone who knows what they're doing. 18.58.18 # I take that back; there are some non-trivial changes in the RCC tree.. but I can't tell if it's targeting a newer base API 18.59.32 # hey, is the bountysource here official? 18.59.33 # https://www.bountysource.com/teams/rockbox 19.01.06 # never heard of that. 19.04.21 # I can't find anything about that in my irc logs that go back to 2008 19.05.40 # still grepping the irc logs 19.06.42 # no reference, period. nothing on any of the www sites either. 19.07.57 # or forum. 19.16.39 # Well, maybe setting up an official one would be a good idea 19.18.08 # basically the gist of the site is that software developers can get paid for working on features or fixing bugs 19.19.06 # i'd throw some money towards the project if it meant that the Android app got fixed for newer versions and had dynamic resolution support 19.19.58 # fixed resolution is _deeply_ baked into rockbox's internals 19.23.11 # did this patch ever get merged in? 19.23.12 # https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 19.26.18 # <_Bilgus> re: bounty source, WTF owns the $$ till its disbursed 19.27.22 # <_Bilgus> And the user has to pay upfront and wait to get a fix / won't fix to get a refund? 19.27.46 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.27.47 # <_Bilgus> so who owns that account then? 19.28.06 # idk who owns the account 19.28.16 # but bountysource has a page explaining how it works here: https://github.com/bountysource/core/wiki/Frequently-Asked-Questions 19.28.29 # other than the generic paypal donation link (to offset fixed administrative/hosting/etc costs) I would personally stay far away from accepting any funding. 19.28.44 # * __builtin didn't know we had a bounty program! 19.28.55 # they don't 19.29.03 # but it's not a bad idea in principle 19.29.04 # __builtin, and we still don't. :D 19.29.36 # <__builtin> I don't think many of our devs would be motivated by a bounty anyway 19.29.53 # <__builtin> many of the handful of semi-active devs that are still around, that is 19.30.29 # * speachy would be curious to see what the typical annual turnover on that paypal link turns out to be.. 19.30.32 # might attract new devs though 19.31.03 # <_Bilgus> Maybe but I doubt it 19.31.05 # <__builtin> I think that's a question for bjorn 19.31.10 # applebar: thanks for pointing out that patch. it may help me with some other stuff I have on the back burner 19.31.28 # but back to fs#1165, never was applied, and the patch is far from applying cleanly to current code.. 19.31.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1165 Misbehavior in "Set Time/Date" screen (NOT a settings loss) (bugs, closed) 19.31.43 # whoops, 11615.. 19.31.59 # <_Bilgus> If that becomes a thing I don't want the bounty like gentleman agreement to give donate it back to project? 19.32.00 # at least it's a starting point 19.33.14 # <_Bilgus> fs#11615 19.33.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 Dynamic screen size (patches, new) 19.33.24 # so, the individual developers would agree to distribute the money equally amongst the project for solving issues? _Bilgus 19.34.33 # <_Bilgus> like any bounty recv'd will be donated back to Rockbox to be used as the project sees fit 19.34.35 # that patch is going to grow the binary size a bit. might be the death knoll for the sh targets at long last. 19.35.04 # <_Bilgus> speachy that patch probably adds ALOT of extra overhead too 19.35.11 # <__builtin> it's also 10 years old, so merging it will not be easy 19.35.35 # not to mention the need to bundle variously-sized resources on targets that can truly change sizes 19.35.50 # true, but the idea of the bounty system is for the users to have some input as to what gets fixed/worked on 19.36.07 # what users? :D 19.36.27 # <_Bilgus> I'd almost rather resample, devices that need it have the HP to so it 19.36.29 # to be blunt, we're far better served by putting any effort into new/current hardware 19.36.31 # <__builtin> re: bounty, the usual path for a "user who wants something badly" to actual get it is to become a dev 19.36.41 # well, since i'm here, and since i'm not a dev, i'm tentatively saying that may quite possible me a user 19.36.55 # dang i really had a stroke while writing that sentence 19.37.09 # *tentatively saying that i may quite possibly be a user 19.37.25 # so we know there's one user, at least 19.37.29 # <_Bilgus> they have classes to help you with that applebar 19.37.52 # writing a sentence, or becoming a dev? 19.38.00 # <_Bilgus> being a user 19.38.20 # <__builtin> we *do* also have fairly good new-dev resources 19.38.34 # and the onramping is easier than it used to be 19.39.01 # if we rewrote it all in javascript that would attract more developers! 19.39.11 # oh god please no 19.39.19 # don't even make me think about electron rockbox 19.39.35 # <_Bilgus> \s doesn't come out well in IRC sorry if I offended you 19.39.47 # huh, when you think about it, an electron rockbox is just a fancy name for a battery 19.39.49 # _Bilgus, speachy __builtin: I dont plan on using the patch I just think that it may contain the solution to a different issue I have 19.40.15 # <_Bilgus> mendel_munkis, which patch? 19.40.22 # the dynamic resolution patch 19.40.33 # fs#11615 19.40.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 Dynamic screen size (patches, new) 19.40.44 # I agree, 11615 is something that IMO should get cleaned up and strongly considered 19.41.07 # speachy: you really dont like sh do you? 19.41.48 # eh, I'm largely indifferent to sh; it's just that all of our sh targets are also the only hwcodec targets and also the ones that are the most resource-constrained 19.42.52 # I don't want to let supporting those old targets prevent us from adding new capabilities 19.43.08 # <_Bilgus> ^^ 19.43.17 # otherwise, by all means, we can keep them around forever+day 19.43.45 # <_Bilgus> it also has a lot of ifdef junk littered all over the codebase 19.44.27 # I thought the toolchain bump I'm working on would be a good excuse to kill sh, but.. instead, the new toolchain actually improved the situation. 19.44.52 # (and unexpectedly, the PortalPlayer targets turned out to be the holdup..) 19.45.19 # maybe for version 4 19.46.41 # ironically, the newest targets are among the more resource constrained, as they only have ~6-8MB of RAM to work with (out of 32) due to the fixed overhead of the hosted linux environment. 19.47.02 # but they have oodles of spare CPU cycles 19.47.10 # the real qustion is if its possible to remove the hosted linux 19.47.45 # <__builtin> unlikely 19.48.04 # possible? absolutely! worth the effort? that's a lot more debatable, given that if datasheets exist, they are only in Chinese. 19.48.28 # we don't even have the required-by-GPL Linux kernel sources. 19.49.42 # being able to rebuild the linux environment would be hugely beneficial 19.55.20 # applebar, in all seriousness, fixing up that patch to apply against the current codebase would be a good way to embark on the lucrative path of becoming a rockbox developer. 19.56.29 # > in all seriousness 19.56.30 # > lucrative 19.56.35 # you sure about that? 19.56.45 # what price can you place on knowledge? 19.57.12 # at least $30,000 a year according to U.S. colleges 19.59.09 # there you have it, rockbox is an absolute bargain! 19.59.24 # fair point 19.59.42 # maybe i can help out with the theming side of things as a start 20.00.01 # i actually have graphic design knowledge, for one 20.00.28 # all contributions are useful 20.02.00 # so, as far as the theming side of things go, does each theme have to be remade for each different device? 20.02.13 # <_Bilgus> buddy you have fun with that theme engine its a unforgiving mistress 20.02.20 # no, themes are keyed off of screen size/resolution 20.02.22 # <_Bilgus> an* 20.02.42 # speachy not colors? 20.02.53 # so each theme works on all devices? 20.02.53 # whoops, I meant to say bit depth 20.03.13 # but IIRC you can use a lower bit depth theme on a higher bit depth device. 20.04.26 # applebar, yes, if two devices share teh same screen size and color depth, they can use the same themes 20.08.18 # it'd be cool to try and get a standard suite of themes across all devices 20.08.58 # there is some device-specific functionality that themes can expose, and for that the so-called 'checkwps' tool will tell you if it's compatible with a given target. 20.09.57 # which, as of a few days ago, has one fewer segfault-inducing buffer overflow bug! 20.10.30 # horray! 20.12.32 # <_Bilgus> saratoga you around? your email on the forum is bad 20.12.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.16.58 # yeah, it bounces claiming the user/mailbox is unknown. 21.07.01 Part ZincAlloy 21.12.40 # anyone know if I need to remove rockbox before I change a hard drive in ipod claasic? 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