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06.24.26 #       <Demosthenex> hey folks. i'm a happy rockbox user on my sansa fuse+, works great! recently i'm experiencing nasty hissing noises when i turn it on, and i can hear it "thinking", different tones when loading music, etc...
06.24.54 #       <Demosthenex> on the forums it was suggested to boot it to the original firmware and back to rockbox, but i can't get the instructions to work (power on while holding |<)
06.25.00 #       <Demosthenex> is there an alternate method to boot back?
06.26.35 #       <Demosthenex> https://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,52287.msg242078.html#msg242078
06.26.49 #       <Demosthenex> i did try setting the time, but i can't seem to boot back temporarily
06.28.37 #       <Demosthenex> ah ha! in the other guide, it says volume down isntead of left arrow
06.28.40 #       <Demosthenex> that seems to do it
06.28.49 #       <Demosthenex> tyty!
06.32.41 #       <Demosthenex> and i can confirm booting to orig fixed the hiss, i guess it reset somethingin the dac?
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06.54.54 #       <zagor[m]> speachy: how much lead time do you want? would tonight be good for you?
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07.34.32 #       <zagor[m]> just not during the spacex launch... :)
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08.44.39 #       <pamaury> Demosthenex: yes the OF resets some DAC settings, I never quite got figured out why those change sometimes and produce that hissing sound, and I didn't spend time reverse engineering the exact settings the OF uses
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09.53.18 #       <speachy> zagor[m], tonight will work.
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09.53.39 #       <speachy> so 23:00 CET again?
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10.06.22 #       <speachy> lead time isn't so important for git/gerrit as there aren't bunches of random folks hitting them.
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10.07.54 #       <speachy> the only thing I have left to do is to add in the rewrite rules to convert gitweb to cgit urls.
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10.17.28 #       <nihilazo> does rockbox have a way to skim audio files
10.17.55 #       <mendel_munkis> freetypes porting information is woefully incomplete
10.18.31 #       <nihilazo> when I'm listening to podcasts on my desktop I skip through them in 5-second ish intervals rather than all at once to skip ad breaks, can rockbox do something similar?
10.19.05 #       <mendel_munkis> nihilazo: did you try holding down forward for a second?
10.19.23 #       <mendel_munkis> what device are you using
10.19.34 #       <nihilazo> when I do that it just skips but the audio is slient so I can't skim through
10.19.37 #       <nihilazo> I'm on a fuze+
10.20.23 #       <mendel_munkis> If i am understanding you correctly you want to temporarily increase playback speed?
10.20.48 #       <nihilazo> that would work, yeah
10.22.30 #       <mendel_munkis> I'm pretty sure there's no native way to do that (besides increasing speed and then decreasing it when you reach the place  you want) but someone may have written a patch
10.22.57 #       <nihilazo> ok
10.23.40 #       <mendel_munkis> are you comfertable compiling rockbox yourself?
10.24.52 #       <zagor[m]> speachy: can we go earlier, like 21:00?
10.26.01 #       <speachy> zagpr[m], sure, that will work.  So that's in 4.5 hours?
10.26.34 #       <zagor[m]> yes
10.26.50 #       <speachy> ok.  I'll send out an email announcement.
10.29.18 #       <nihilazo> mendel_munkis: I can try, I've not done it before
10.29.56 #       <nihilazo> I'm comfortable with compiling other projects and I assume rockbox isn't much different?
10.31.50 #       <speachy> nihilazo: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowToCompile
10.32.04 #       <nihilazo> thanks, looks pretty similar to what I'm used to
10.32.19 #       <speachy> other than neeeding a special cross-compiler it's pretty self-contained.
10.32.22 #       <nihilazo> alright
10.32.42 #       <speachy> especially if you're used to microcontroller/rtos applications
10.39.32 #       <nihilazo> so, can I get the ability to skim through a track if I compile myself?
10.39.52 #       <mendel_munkis> I am working on a patch for that
10.40.24 #       <nihilazo> awesome, thanks so much
10.40.37 #       <mendel_munkis> it may take a while though
10.42.29 #       <mendel_munkis> I can see a way to set a hot key to speed it up but I cant see how to reset the speed when you let go sorry.
10.42.50 #       <speachy> tap once for speed up, tap again for restoring?
10.42.52 #       <nihilazo> oh ok
10.42.53 #       <nihilazo> it's fine, dw
10.43.14 #       <nihilazo> if it would be a pain to do then it's fine, would just be a convenience for listening to podcasts
10.43.47 #       <mendel_munkis> speachy: but in order to make that workable it would need to be a short press which means removing important functionality
10.44.04 #       <speachy> there's always a compromise.  :D
10.44.42 #       <speachy> but in all seriousness, this is a prototype and if it turns out to be more widely desired a better way to integrate it is probably conceivable
10.46.19 #       <mendel_munkis> nihilazo: there may be a way
10.47.10 #       <nihilazo> cool
10.49.27 #       <speachy> announcements have gone out.  So in 4 hours, git+gerrit will go down for migration.
10.49.42 #       <mendel_munkis> so I gotta be done by then
10.50.39 #       <gevaerts> It's git. You can run offline :)
10.50.40 #       <speachy> or find something else to do for an hour or so.  :)
10.51.02 #       * gevaerts stands by the sidelines encouraging all this work
10.51.18 #       <mendel_munkis> I don't see the announcement. what's the migration?
10.51.25 #       <speachy> there's also the public mirror on github
10.51.50 #       <speachy> mendel_munkis, git.rockbox.org and gerrit.rockbox.org are migrating to a new host
10.52.26 #       <mendel_munkis> ok. I didn't realize they hadn't already moved. thank you
10.52.52 #       <speachy> I wanted them to be the first but instead they're the last
10.53.21 #       <nihilazo> is there a way to have the crosscompiler build script install to a non-system place that's on the PATH like ~/.local/bin?
10.53.46 #       <nihilazo> arch is especially picky with things other than the package manager putting things in system places
10.53.55 #       <nihilazo> in my experience
10.54.43 #       <speachy> the crosstools have a _lot_ of stuff, not just binaries; you should put them in their own self-contained place and add the final bin location to your path instead.  or create symlinks from those binaries..
10.55.44 #       <speachy> RBDEV_PREFIX=/some/path tools/rockboxdev.sh
10.56.16 #       <speachy> personally I keep everything of mine under ~/x-tools/rockbox
10.56.31 #       <nihilazo> thanks
10.57.07 #       <speachy> wand then the bin dir will be ~/x-tools/rockbox/bin
10.57.21 #       <nihilazo> cool
11.02.44 #       <mendel_munkis> speachy: I am assuming that talk would be unnecessary if speed is hotkeyed?
11.03.40 #       <mendel_munkis> do we have an accessibility expert?
11.04.58 #       <speachy> I'd never make an assumption like that
11.05.41 #       <mendel_munkis> why not?
11.06.33 #       <mendel_munkis> the talk is assuming you are trying to get a specific speed. A hotkey has one predetermined speed
11.06.58 #       <speachy> oh, I see what you mean.  There's probably no reason to voice the setting change, yeah.
11.08.03 #       <nihilazo> OK, I'm getting an error when building the arm cross-compiler, should I pastebin the log?
11.11.10 #       <speachy> there are some ...complications with respect to building some of the toolchains on more modern systems
11.11.22 #       <speachy> but yeah, pastebin please
11.17.10 #       <nihilazo> https://hastebin.com/liguxosali.rb
11.17.51 #       <nihilazo> what's a better pastebin site than hastebin, it seems to be struggling with a long log
11.21.46 #       <nihilazo> https://itwont.work/log.txt
11.23.34 #       <nihilazo> this is better
11.28.31 #       <Demosthenex> pamaury: no problem, i was able to solve it ;]
11.28.33 #       <Demosthenex> tyty!
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11.30.22 #       <speachy> huh.  I think this one's due to the gcc10 change from -fcommon to -fno-common
11.47.33 #       <mendel_munkis> nihilazo: try g#2388 (it's completley untested though)
11.47.34 #       <fs-bluebot_> Gerrit review #2388 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/2388 : basic skim funtionality by Moshe Piekarski
11.47.54 #       <mendel_munkis> you need to enable timestretch and a new skim
11.47.59 #       <mendel_munkis> _mode setting
11.48.23 #       <nihilazo> awesome, I need to get my build environment working now
11.48.28 #       <nihilazo> gcc10 seems to have broke things
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11.48.35 #       <nihilazo> and I don't know enough to fix them
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11.52.55 #       <speachy> I have a WIP gcc 4.9.4 toolchain that seems to work okay if you're not on a arm7tdmi device
11.52.58 #       <speachy> the fuze+ should be okay
11.53.16 #       <speachy> grab g#2305
11.53.18 #       <fs-bluebot_> Gerrit review #2305 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/2305 : Build:  Bump all compilers to GCC 4.9.4 (DO NOT MERGE YET) by Solomon Peachy
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11.53.58 #       <speachy> and re-run the arm toolchain build.
11.54.15 #       <nihilazo> do I get that with a git fetch?
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11.54.34 #       <speachy> if you go to that URL, there's a 'download' link on the upper-right corner
11.54.44 #       <speachy> cut-n-paste the 'cherry-pick' link
11.55.14 #       <nihilazo> thanks
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12.39.14 #       <nihilazo> alright, I got the build environment sorted, should I do the same with cherrypicking the commit for the one that has the patch?
12.45.58 #       <speachy> yes
12.48.39 #       <nihilazo> alright
12.48.41 #       <speachy> then:  mkdir build-fuzeplus ; cd build-fuzeplus ; ../tools/configure
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12.48.54 #       <nihilazo> I've got an error when I build it
12.49.10 #       <nihilazo> https://itwont.work/log2.txt
12.49.47 #       <speachy> well, that's a problem with the patch
12.50.03 #       <nihilazo> ok
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12.59.06 #       <speachy> in apps/gui/pitchscreen.c, line 1152, change it to read 'int32_t new_pitch, new_speed;'
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13.07.42 #       <nihilazo> seems to have fixed it, thanks
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13.09.26 #       <nihilazo> can I just extract that zip over my existing rockbox install?
13.10.02 #       <speachy> yeah
13.10.17 #       <speachy> I'd back up your existing .rockbox dir first though
13.10.46 #       <nihilazo> alright
13.10.56 #       <speachy> when it comes to experimental stuff like this, backups are always warranted.
13.13.28 #       <nihilazo> I don't seem to have the skim mode setting
13.14.59 #       <speachy> under playavk settings, between party mode and volume fade?
13.15.12 #       <speachy> s/playavk/playback/
13.15.38 #       <nihilazo> yeah, it's not there
13.17.35 #       <speachy> does the 'about' menu item show the correct version/date?
13.20.35 #       <nihilazo> I don't seem to have that option
13.21.25 #       <nihilazo> wait, I might have just accidentally built the master instead by mistake
13.21.30 #       <speachy> system/rockbox info
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13.23.02 #       <nihilazo> (gtg, back in a bit)
13.41.29 #       <nihilazo> built a version that definately has the patch and now USB is broken although that may be an unrelated thing from the master
13.42.05 #       <speachy> that may a bug related to gcc494
13.42.21 #       <speachy> sigh.
13.44.49 #       <nihilazo> would it be possible for somebody else to make a build with the patch for fuze+ and stick the zip somewhere I can get it?
13.45.10 #       <nihilazo> also, how can I change rockbox versions if USB isn't working, can I load a rockbox zip from the SD card?
13.45.21 #       <nihilazo>  * also, how can I change rockbox versions if USB isn't working, can I load/install a rockbox zip from the SD card?
13.45.31 #       <speachy> gimme a few
13.45.35 #       <speachy> gimme a few
13.47.01 #       <nihilazo> thanks
13.50.54 #       <speachy> https://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rockbox-fuzeplus-g2388.zip
13.51.18 #       <nihilazo> thanks
13.52.12 #       <nihilazo> how can I install that while not having USB?
13.52.20 #       <speachy> boot into the original firmware
13.52.50 #       <speachy> or extract it to the SD card and ROLO into the new firmware
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13.54.19 #       <nihilazo> ok
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13.57.33 #       <nihilazo> I extracted it onto the SD card and selected the rockbox executable, it said ROLO and rebooted, but I still don't have the skim mode option
13.57.47 #       <nihilazo> USB does work now though
14.21.42 #       <nihilazo> (brb)
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14.34.36 #       <mendel_munkis> I amback and fixing that patch
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15.21.41 #       <speachy> oh, heads up, gerrit's going down.
15.26.58 #       <speachy> dns changes made.
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15.39.03 #       <speachy> git and gerrit are running.  git is https enabled.  gerrit, not yet.
15.44.53 #       <speachy> restarting gerrit with https ....
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15.51.59 #       <speachy> okay, it appears to be all alive.
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15.52.47 #       <speachy> I need to put in the rewrite rules to automagically convert gitweb->cgit URLs, but it's otherwise done.
15.52.54 #       <nihilazo> back
15.53.26 #       <mendel_munkis> I fixed some of the problems but there are still a few left.
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15.54.24 #       <speachy> mendel_munkis, can you try to push the updated changeset to gerrit and see if it works?
15.54.57 #       <mendel_munkis> speachy: I just got a half-decent build. pushing now
15.56.36 #       <mendel_munkis> speachy: gerrit is down
15.57.16 #       <speachy> try again.  firewall hole wasn't applied for some reason.
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15.58.25 #       <mendel_munkis> pushed
15.59.08 #       <mendel_munkis> Also turns out gerrit doesnt like it when you change the message on a commit --amend
15.59.26 #       <mendel_munkis> also gerrit google oauth is down
15.59.36 #       <speachy> ah, new changeset.  that's why I didn't see it change.
16.00.15 #       <mendel_munkis> yeah I'm not sure why. the hook shouldn't generate a new ID for a amended commit
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16.02.01 #       <speachy> crap... the google openid stuff doesn't like https gerrit.
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16.02.22 #       <mendel_munkis> all the more reason to get github working :)
16.03.08 #       * mendel_munkis just wants to be able to auth with a U2F key
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16.04.48 #       <nihilazo> (I'm not sure how this thing handles being in a chat or away, I'm still here if it said I left)
16.06.58 #       <speachy> trying to fix this at the google side of things; if not I'll disable https and things should continue to work okay.
16.10.09 #       <mendel_munkis> nihilazo: try g#2405 it should work better
16.11.07 #       <nihilazo> my build environment has some issues because of the gcc
16.11.17 #       <mendel_munkis> speachy: apparently fs-bluebot_  cant connect to gerrit either
16.11.47 #       <speachy> that could be due to dns propogation.
16.17.08 #       <speachy> okay, google authentication should work again.  or it now just did for me, at least.
16.19.22 #       <mendel_munkis> works here to
16.23.04 #       <bluebrother> speachy, mendel_munkis: it's because of the change from gitweb to cgit.
16.24.10 #       <speachy> bluebrother, 15 seconds ago I enabled aliases for gitweb-formatted request.  or is the bot parsing the gerrit looking for the magic 'gitweb' phrase?
16.24.28 #       <bluebrother> the bot uses git ls-remote to get the commit hash, then queries gitweb since I don't have all remotes locally. Was the easiest way back then.
16.24.40 #       <bluebrother> and uses the rss output of gitweb
16.24.40 #       <speachy> execllent, gerrit email notifications work.
16.27.39 #       <speachy> probably not a trivial thing to fix, but I can't enable gitweb for $reasons
16.27.55 #       <bluebrother> ah. $resons sounds $reasonable :)
16.28.26 #       <bluebrother> I guess I have to update the scraping code then. Just not today anymore.
16.28.28 #       <speachy> one of the url mangling rules I just enabled does cover gitweb rss/atom feeds
16.28.41 #       <speachy> but the RSS contents likely differ slightly.
16.28.49 #       <speachy> s/ slightly/./
16.29.21 #       <bluebrother> or find a different way to get that information. iirc the main problem was that I can git ls-remote to get the hash, but there's no way to use git to retrieve a commit for a repository I haven't cloned.
16.29.52 #       <bluebrother> http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=rss;h=147f7f0e62baf2891f4fddc598827b5092fd13ec
16.30.21 #       <bluebrother> would be such a scraping request. Forwards to cgit, but results in an error message.
16.31.22 #       <speachy> ah, the URLs are different.  give me a sec.
16.31.53 #       <bluebrother> I've been using rss since that is easier to parse. If theres a similar output (or maybe some other api, wouldn't mind json or the like) I can update that.
16.35.42 #       <speachy> I'd bet that gerrit has a straightforward API that you can use directly.
16.41.23 #       <speachy> bluebrother, just doing a GET on "https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/changes/2405/detail"
16.41.43 #       <speachy> will return a json object with all of the info you want.  Owner, subject, etc.
16.42.50 #       <bluebrother> nice. Is there also a way to do that for an arbitrary git hash?
16.42.53 #       <speachy> huh, gitlab auth is brroken because it uses the google app credentials.
16.44.59 #       <speachy> bluebrother, not directly from what I can tell.
16.45.15 #       <speachy> but you can do something like this: "https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/changes/?q=3bdb96a"
16.46.00 #       <bluebrother> hmm. I'll give that a closer look tomorrow. gtg for now.
16.46.01 #       <speachy> you can extract the changenum or full changeid from that response and repeat the query to get the full details.
16.46.11 #       <nihilazo> <mendel_munkis "nihilazo: try g#2405 it should w"> can somebody do a fuze+ build, my environment has issues
16.46.42 #       <bluebrother> what about a git hash that wasn't reviewed on gerrit? There won't be a change for that, right?
16.46.57 #       <speachy> yeah
16.47.27 #       <speachy> it won't show up as there's no gerrit id associated with it
16.47.47 #       <speachy> all gerrit would be able to do is point you at the commit in gitweb/cgit
16.48.02 #       <speachy> so yo'll be better off just hitting cgit directly for that.
16.48.18 #       <bluebrother> yeah.
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17.39.24 #       <fs-bluebot_> Build Server message: New build round started. Revision fba4df5, 292 builds, 10 clients.
17.45.08 #       <pamaury> speachy: do you know if there is a delay in wiki edits? I change the code but when I load the wiki page, the edits don't appear
17.48.05 #       <speachy> pamuary, I ran into that too, but I figured it was to do with my browser caching inappropriately after the https enablement.
17.48.19 #       <speachy> what's the page?
17.48.49 #       <speachy> (there was also some wonkiness with the wyswig editor too.  Might need to re-disable it..)
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17.57.31 #       <pamaury> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNWDestTool
17.57.35 #       <pamaury> speachy: ^
17.58.37 #       <gevaerts> speachy: not sure what the status is supposed to be right now, but google auth isn't working for me. I get a 404 on the redirect back from google to gerrit
17.59.40 #       <speachy> what's the bad url?
18.00.08 #       <speachy> just did it to me too. sigh.
18.00.10 #       <gevaerts> https://gerrit.rockbox.org/oauth?state=<data>
18.00.18 #       <__builtin> yeah, same here
18.00.36 #       <speachy> guess I broke that when I was hacking on the gitweb redirection stuff.
18.00.52 #       <speachy> (which, I believe, now works properly.. bleh, what a cluster%$^@)
18.02.08 #       <speachy> I know why it's not working, I'm just trying to have my cake and eat it too.
18.02.31 #       <__builtin> clicking on http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=rss;h=147f7f0e62baf2891f4fddc598827b5092fd13ec redirects me to https://git.rockbox.org/cgit/rockbox.git/atom?h=147f7f0e62baf2891f4fddc598827b5092fd13ec
18.02.59 #       <speachy> __builtin, is that sane?
18.03.13 #       <__builtin> that redirect?
18.03.22 #       <__builtin> the lack of formatting is pretty jarring
18.03.35 #       <speachy> it's an XML document.
18.03.50 #       <__builtin> yeah, I'd think linking to an HTML page would make more sense
18.03.58 #       <__builtin> oh... that's rss. duh.
18.04.16 #       <speachy> where's that link coming from?  the one bluebrother mentioned was his bot's data acquisition hackery
18.04.30 #       <__builtin> it is bluebrother's link
18.04.33 #       <speachy> even the irc log reader page should be generating valid cgit links
18.04.48 #       <__builtin> didn't realize he'd already reported that issue
18.05.20 #       <speachy> pamuary, as soon as I logged into the wiki, the page showed up correctly.
18.05.29 #       <speachy> so there's something wonky going on with the wiki caching...
18.08.44 #       <speachy> with respect to the gerrit login, I'm trying to craft the correct rewrite/redirect rules.
18.09.09 #       <speachy> but if you refresh your 404 now, it will work.  I put in the old blanket rule that breaks the https certbot stuff.
18.10.08 #       <gevaerts> Yay, both my accounts work :)
18.10.21 #       <gevaerts> Including the old one that had been broken for years
18.12.26 #       <speachy> gotta restart gerrit, it's going to disappear for a moment..
18.13.05 #       <speachy> back.
18.13.46 #       <speachy> Excellent!  the github gerrit provider no longer 404s.
18.13.52 #       <speachy> s/gerrit/auth/
18.14.56 #       <speachy> aaannd it works.
18.15.00 #       <__builtin> @rockbox.org emails are still handled through haxx, right?
18.15.18 #       <speachy> yes, email and dns remain with haxx for now, though I'd like to change that too.
18.15.43 #       <speachy> they weren't part of the original "MUST MOVE OR ELSE" service list.
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18.27.48 #       <speachy> g#2605
18.28.07 #       <speachy> ...guess that wasn't enough to fix the bot.
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18.36.29 #       <speachy> pamaury, I made a tweak to the wiki config that may help.
18.36.53 #       <speachy> due to still-ancient software, I can't fire up the proper tools to administer it.  :/
18.43.41 #       <speachy> nope, still busted.  :/
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20.21.52 #       <speachy> pamaury, much mucking-about later, I _think_ I've fixed the caching issues.  And hopefully made things a bit faster in the process.
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22.49.50 #       <Bilgus> speachy gerrit feels much snappier!
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