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00.13.15 #       <speachy> genevino: next time you get a segfault, please provide the details (address, build id, etc).
00.18.18 #       <_bilgus__> whats a CAP?
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03.53.47 #       <johnb3> speachy : x3ii: I did my tests yesterday with a full-size headphone. Today I used a BA InEar. With tha,t the clicks are more pronounced and basically in the same ball park as 0f23cadbca-200926 which I installed again for comparing.
03.55.07 #       <johnb3> I was pondering whether the nasty pop after boot can damage a headphone or inear and of course your eardrum.
03.57.44 #       <johnb3> Unless you figure out how to suppress that boot pop, it is safer to go back to previous approaches.
03.58.47 #       <johnb3> IMHO
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08.32.37 #       <speachy> _bilgus__: Chinese Audio Player.  :P
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09.29.42 #       <speachy> _bilgus__: an example -- https://www.linsoul.com/products/zishan-dsds-zishan-dsds-ak4499
09.30.45 #       <speachy> there are several major variations of this, with different DACs and screen types, and also at least one in a different form factor but using the same internal architecture.
09.31.22 #       <speachy> identifiable by those five buttons and possibly a separate volume knob/rotary encoder.
09.31.32 #       <speachy> https://www.amazon.com/Linsoul-AK4490EQ-Portable-Audiophile-Musician/dp/B07VX6DY7Z
09.32.46 #       <speachy> STM32F745, 1MB flash, 320KB RAM, and a CPLD to interface with the DACs.  I don't think there's external RAM but I haven't found the photos to confirm.
09.41.18 #       <speachy> without external RAM it's not a viable port target.
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09.58.22 #       <speachy> (Which really makes me sad; I _really_ want to do a bare-metal Cortex-M port..)
10.00.04 #       <speachy> (My personal vision for a "Rockbox DAP" is architechturally pretty similar to those things; albeit with a couple of extra buttons.  And at least 8MB of external RAM)
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10.07.49 #       <speachy> also I'm not sure what the CPLD is there for; the STM32 family has builtin I2S already; but maybe it can't clock fast enough for the 32b/384K PCM streams, and the CPLD is doing a parallel->i2s conversion?
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10.11.36 #       <speachy> ah yes, the STM32F7's I2S peripheral maxes out at 32b/192KHz.
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11.19.06 #       <_bilgus__> speachy johnb one of you guys with the rocker off the latest head could you verify the lua playback script allows rew ff and track skip
11.19.48 #       <johnb3> I don't own a rocker (anymore).
11.20.28 #       <speachy> building it now
11.22.16 #       <speachy> unzipping...
11.22.44 #       <speachy> _bilgus__: any thoughts on that SFC grenade I lobbed into the mailing list?
11.23.00 #       <speachy> (well, s/grenade/hot potato/)
11.23.16 #       <speachy> (well, s/hot/lukewarm/)
11.25.02 #       <speachy> _bilgus__: on the rocker, latest git, no keypresses work at all in the playback lua script
11.25.27 #       <speachy> only the forced-poweroff works
11.26.36 #       <_bilgus__> damn though I had it licked does boomshine work?
11.27.20 #       <_bilgus__> I assume the lua_scripts launcher part works?
11.27.42 #       <speachy> yes, that worked  well enough for me to launch the player script
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11.28.17 #       <_bilgus__> ok how about boomshine it uses the action system too
11.28.41 #       <speachy> (First time I've ever launched boomshine..)
11.28.56 #       <speachy> and no, it doesn't seem to respond to anything.
11.29.38 #       <_bilgus__> ah ok so it has to be something with my action stuff
11.31.13 #       <_bilgus__> thanks, i'll have to think a bit on that as to what I might have broken my guess is that the rocker isn't giving me info on the button presses
11.32.59 #       <_bilgus__> wonder if the sim acts the same (hopeso!)
11.33.13 #       <speachy> on the rocker (and other hosted stuff) keypresses come from poll()ing /dev/input.
11.33.21 #       <speachy> the sim uses SDL for input so it might not be the same
11.33.37 #       <_bilgus__> thats what I figure is the issue
11.34.04 #       <speachy> but either way those are called from the main rb tick context
11.35.21 #       <_bilgus__> I'm guessing that it doesn't fill the button queue like the others do
11.36.40 #       <_bilgus__> we'll see if all else fails I'll go back to polling for hosted targets
11.39.50 #       <speachy> as I've started to dig under the skirts of the hosted code some more, I can see how a good restructuring would help out
11.41.11 #       <speachy> each hosted target does its own thing, but ultimately it just loops over /dev/input until nothing new comes out, and returns the bitmap of what's pressed.
11.42.57 #       <speachy> yeah, SDL has its own event loop running in an independent thread.
11.52.06 #       <_bilgus__> I think the SFC is probably a good move especially the legal parts
11.58.06 #       <_bilgus__> prior to pulling the trigger I'd say give the ML a little time to percolate (like coffee :) and we probably need to get the steering board back together
11.59.34 #       <speachy> has the steering board even met since 2013?
11.59.51 #       <_bilgus__> personally I don't thjink there will be many against it in whole but those that are will be very vocal
11.59.54 #       <speachy> I mean, if we still had that level of formal organization this discussion would probably be moot.  :)
12.00.13 #       <speachy> (organization _and_ particiapation, that is..)
12.01.03 #       <_bilgus__> sure but you me builtin do not a committee make
12.01.25 #       <speachy> I mean, I've for all intents and purposes taken this whole thing over simpy by virtue of the fact that I've been willing to get my hands dirty doing this administrative work..
12.02.37 #       <speachy> but yeah, we're the committee by default if nobody else de-lurks...
12.03.38 #       <_bilgus__> I mean if not then they really have no reason to complain do they
12.04.11 #       <_bilgus__> \me snickers
12.04.12 #       <speachy> yeah, exactly.  IMO those actively doing the work should make the decisions.
12.05.35 #       <speachy> and I'm really hoping the ML traffic will yield _some_ sort of substantive discussion..
12.06.35 #       <_bilgus__> I think the legal protection is the biggest gain we are in no position to fight DCMA claims were such to arise
12.08.45 #       <speachy> the anticirumvention stuff?
12.09.12 #       <speachy> or some patent suit over a codec..
12.09.43 #       <_bilgus__> I imagine it'd be baseless if so but hard to say
12.10.27 #       <speachy> baseless or not, I'm all but certain to be on the receiving end of it, and I know I don't have the means to fight it for long.
12.10.36 #       <_bilgus__> exactly
12.13.46 #       <_bilgus__> crap the sim doesn't behave the same
12.15.15 #       <speachy> I can toss the Rocker in the mail to you if you'd like
12.17.49 #       <_bilgus__> that'll work i'll just send it back when I'm done like they did with the other players back in the good old days
12.18.26 #       <_bilgus__> in that case i'll do the bluetooth menus at the same time
12.23.47 #       <speachy> btw on the bluetooth front it looks like the sytem server stores its bluetooth stuff in JSON files
12.25.17 #       <_bilgus__> HA I was messing with a xml parser in lua the other day and a linux/win ini parser too
12.26.27 #       <speachy> BT's going to be a fun integration project.
12.27.09 #       <speachy> I'll have it in the mail tomorrow morning
12.27.46 #       <_bilgus__> the pieces are there just needs someone to hook it all up in a visually pleasing way
12.28.41 #       <_bilgus__> awesome
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12.34.56 #       <speachy> what I'm hoping is that a way will present to provide track info and also to pass play/seek/etc events back over BT.
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12.52.53 #       <_bilgus__> we already have the hooks for that in the rb side but the rest I guess depends on what the device provides
12.59.37 #       <speachy> yep.  comes down to how much of the BT interaction is locked away in that system server
13.02.33 #       <_bilgus__> the depreciated plugin for alpine probably has quite the similarity
13.06.20 #       <speachy> and the IAP can do it too, I think.
13.07.41 #       <speachy> I'm thinking that the ALSA PCM code is going to need to get rewritten to operate in blocking mode in its own thread.
13.08.32 #       <speachy> possibly the LCD and input stuff too, as the reason they are laggy at times are due to blocking file I/O in the main tick loop.
13.08.51 #       <speachy> (opening and reading sysfs files all the time, etc)
13.09.00 #       <_bilgus__> that is probably beyond my abilities to see that to completion but I've surprised myself before :p
13.09.21 #       <speachy> you write a BT frontend and I'll do the rest.  :D
13.10.09 #       <_bilgus__> though braewoods seems to have a handle on that, might be of assistance (if they*? want)
13.10.10 #       <speachy> I prefer lurking in the dungeon to frontend work.
13.10.47 #       <_bilgus__> I like to think I do decently at integrating stuff in a halfway coherent manner
13.11.13 #       <_bilgus__> the menu for keylock/ backlight exceptions
13.22.37 #       <speachy> were you around during the initial ROcker deveopent?  Do you recall if AGPTek did anyything more than supply a couple of players to us?
13.23.19 #       <_bilgus__> anything more like what?
13.23.41 #       <_bilgus__> like sources? no wodz complained loudly about that
13.24.36 #       <_bilgus__> I think they gave us 2 players and disassemby instructions and Hunterb? promised forthcoming sources
13.24.51 #       <_bilgus__> that never happened
13.28.52 #       <_bilgus__> IIRC they did a fw update after that as well like one that separated them from the common implementation but I think the vast majority of this is socumented in here and on the forum
13.29.34 #       <_bilgus__> pamaury and wodz might have communicated to hunterb privately as well but I don't remember
13.30.04 #       <_bilgus__> documented*
13.33.10 #       <speachy> that matches my recollection
13.52.33 #       <speachy> the Pine64 folks asked about our collaboration with AGPTek.
13.53.00 #       <speachy> My response is essentially "two donated players does not a collaboration make"
13.53.23 #       <_bilgus__> yeah not really a collab that is assuming Hunterb even represents them
13.53.52 #       <_bilgus__> he stated he was in employ but was just trying to reach out
13.54.15 #       <_bilgus__> not in official capacity
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13.54.43 #       * speachy nods.
13.56.03 #       <_bilgus__> I know for a fact that is documented in the logs as I participated in that discussion
13.57.52 #       <_bilgus__> bbl gotta work on some heavy equipment for the fam
13.58.07 #       <speachy> yeah, I just got back in from pulling some yard implements out of the rain
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14.38.21 #       <speachy> btw, was it hunterleo, not hunterb/huntereb.
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18.44.52 #       <braewoods> _bilgus__: ?
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19.18.33 #       <__builtin> speachy: what does our paypal account look like?
19.18.50 #       <__builtin> in terms of total funds and rate of continued donations
19.19.53 #       <speachy> __builtin: $2169.66, plus another donation that I haven't recorded yet.
19.20.16 #       <__builtin> rate of increase?
19.21.01 #       <__builtin> trying to gauge what a 10% SFC donation looks like
19.21.37 #       <speachy> __builtin: about $330 in total donations since June.
19.21.56 #       <__builtin> so about $100/mo?
19.22.18 #       <__builtin> how about hosting expenditures?
19.22.26 #       <speachy> it's gone down faster than it's gone up though, thanks to purchasing various DAPs for hacking purposes.
19.23.12 #       <speachy> direct hosting expenses are currently zero, as I'm piggybacking on my $dayjob with a dedicated circuit for our research team.
19.23.34 #       <speachy> call it $75/mo so far
19.23.39 #       <speachy> donations, I mean
19.23.40 #       <__builtin> it sounds like a 10% cut of that is pretty negligible, then
19.23.59 #       <__builtin> especially given what SFC membership gives in return
19.24.13 #       <speachy> yeah.  I did spend $56.35 on a replacement RAID controller for the server though
19.25.21 #       <speachy> even after their cut, I think we'd likely end up with a net increase in funds coming in due to higher visibility.
19.25.35 #       <__builtin> my thoughts exactly
19.25.46 #       <__builtin> and tax deductibility can't hurt
19.25.48 #       <speachy> (BTW, if anyone wants to check the books so to speak, let me know privately)
19.26.46 #       <speachy> If we had to go to paid hosting, I think we'd probably manage okay with about $50/mo.
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19.35.46 #       <__builtin> speachy: not sure if you're aware, but we have historically had some legal issues with certain plugins
19.36.11 #       <__builtin> this is before my time but apparently tetrox and jewels were the big offenders; not sure if there's any others
19.36.24 #       <__builtin> (tetrox a.k.a. "rockblox")
19.36.43 #       <speachy> wasn't familiar with that but I do recall PopTop being quite litigious over Bejwewled clones.
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19.40.49 #       <__builtin> domain ownership might also be a nice thing to have done by another organization to perhaps insulate you a bit from DMCA/GDPR issues
19.42.13 #       <speachy> we do need a designated DMCA agent to qualify for safe harbour protections
19.43.15 #       <speachy> I shudder tothink how much GPDR exposure we'd face, what with our beginning-of-time IRC and email archives.
19.44.43 #       <speachy> domain ownership (and, I suppose, @rockbox.org email/MX services) is the last bit of infra that still remains with the Haxx crew.
19.46.10 #       <speachy> when it comes down to it I think we're on the pretty small side compared to the SFC's existing member projects.
19.46.32 #       <speachy> there's a lot of code and history though.
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20.47.25 #       <jerwin> are m3u playlists the only way to make playlists for rockbox? I want playlists across both my laptop and ipod, but i'm afraid something will change with the filesystem structure and i'll have to remake the playlists
20.47.40 #       <jerwin> *layout
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22.44.39 #       <speachy> pamaury, do you have a copy of the X1000 programming manual somewhere?  it seems we never stashed a copy on the wiki, and the link you posted way back when is now a 404.  It doesn't appear to exist on the ftp.ingenic.com mirror either.
22.55.45 #       <_bilgus__> yeah HunterLeo sorry
22.58.35 #       <speachy> found it!  buried in a zip file.
22.58.47 #       <speachy> in their FreeRTOS tarball
23.05.00 #       <speachy> _bilgus__: trying to find that missing 4760 doc in here too..
23.05.43 #       <_bilgus__> that'd be amazing but I won't hold my breath!
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23.25.55 #       <speachy> doesn't appear to be in here, alas.
23.34.00 #       <_bilgus__> behold the white whale?
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