--- Log for 24.02.121 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 14 days ago 00.06.04 Join awesomuni [0] (ca2002c9@202.32.2.201) 00.07.12 # Hello 00.07.18 # The current RockBox does not seem to allow uppercase cases with artwork extensions. 00.07.38 # Are there any plans to support uppercase letters? 00.10.50 Quit Saijin_Naib (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.24.49 # <_bilgus> awesomuni, on linux there is a difference between upper and lowercase names 00.25.09 # <_bilgus> windows there is not 00.27.20 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-b979-fdd8-9783-6fa7.res6.spectrum.com) 00.58.44 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.15.12 # _bilgus: Thank you. Does allowing uppercase letters in the extension affect the format decoder? 01.16.32 # If there is no adverse effect, I would be grateful if you could correct the tolerance. 01.18.05 # We also want to support the png format of artwork. 01.21.25 # Specifically, many of the Japanese songs I purchased had an artwork called cover.PNG. 01.21.26 # This can be solved by manually renaming it as conversion, but if you change the purchased song, the display of the local purchase history will be corrupted. 01.41.51 Join Stanley00 [0] (~stanley00@unaffiliated/stanley00) 01.44.40 Join lebellium [0] (~lebellium@89-92-69-66.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 01.50.49 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 01.59.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.04.21 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.05.36 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.13.59 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 02.39.34 Quit pixelma (Quit: .) 02.39.34 Quit amiconn (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) 02.42.04 Join amiconn [0] (jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.42.04 Join pixelma [0] (marianne@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.00.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.45.20 Quit koniu (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 05.02.31 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 05.27.36 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 05.44.34 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 05.45.00 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 05.45.09 Join MrZeus__ [0] (~MrZeus@194.37.96.103) 05.49.49 Quit Stanley00 () 06.00.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.09.40 Quit awesomuni (Quit: Connection closed) 06.20.03 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 06.27.34 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.34.54 # The buyer guide https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide#Quick_Feature_Table says there is no commercially available player for Rockbox. Is this wiki page up to date? 07.18.10 # freemint: define commercially available 07.18.55 # Available with waranty from the company which made them. 07.19.52 # i don't think that was ever a thing. even if you bought one that initially came with a warranty, updating it to rockbox would typically void the warranty (or so they'd say) 07.20.16 Quit TheSeven (Remote host closed the connection) 07.20.50 # freemint: what's your use case? 07.21.04 # oddly enough old players tend to still work very well. 07.21.23 # I obviously loose support when flashing Rockbox. 07.22.31 # freemint: so what you're really after is something that's still new and not old stock new? 07.23.21 # exactly. 07.23.39 # Like recent hardware. 07.23.42 # not many of those, if any. they'd be the linux ports probably. 07.23.57 # native ports are few. 07.24.13 # Thank you, then Rockbox is not for me. 07.24.26 # Does the android app still suck/even work? 07.24.32 # not really 07.24.47 # why do you need stuff so recent? 07.26.08 # freemint: Hifiwalker H2, Eros Q/K, Surfans F20, AGPtek H3, xDuoo X3ii 07.26.29 # I don't *need* it. It is just personal preference. 07.26.31 # all of those appear to be current products. 07.26.58 # Awesome 07.27.31 # i suppose old stuff does have a a differnet problem. 07.27.39 # finding good devices for rockbox is hard at times 07.27.42 Join MrZeus_ [0] (~MrZeus@57504f25.skybroadband.com) 07.27.58 # they usually have a ton of cosmetic wear 07.28.00 # but generally speaking by the time Rockbox is "stable" on a given device, it's been discontinued. 07.31.29 Quit MrZeus__ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07.33.54 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 07.34.05 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffc8:d3b9:cd35:d790:c987) 07.39.36 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 07.40.00 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 07.45.17 Join MrZeus [0] (~MrZeus@194.37.96.119) 07.47.56 Quit MrZeus_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.49.48 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-24b7-5239-bea6-3583.res6.spectrum.com) 08.00.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.40.47 Join jdarnley [0] (~J_Darnley@d51a44418.access.telenet.be) 08.42.05 Quit J_Darnley (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.47.06 Quit Saijin_Naib (Disconnected by services) 08.47.10 Join Saijin-Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-24b7-5239-bea6-3583.res6.spectrum.com) 09.00.24 Join massiveH [0] (~massiveH@ool-18e4e82f.dyn.optonline.net) 09.02.07 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.28.22 # freemint: agptek rocker is pretty good and recent 09.29.17 # I have one and it is very stable and works well. It doesn't support bluetooth with rockbox but I think it's being worked on 10.00.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.01.59 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 10.02.27 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 10.11.08 Quit tomato (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 10.28.58 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 10.29.10 # f1refly: the rocker's been discontinued, and is difficult to find new now. 10.29.12 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 10.29.28 # Oh really? 10.29.36 # Hmm 10.29.58 # the best bet today are the xduoo x3ii and the eros q/k (and their clones) 10.30.06 # if you must have something new 10.31.01 # Well I'm happy with my rocker 10.31.12 # I just thought it'd be more recent than it really is 10.31.22 # time flies ^^' 10.31.52 # yes, it certainly does 10.40.17 Quit massiveH (Quit: Leaving) 10.46.09 Quit beencubed (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.59.52 Quit freemint (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.00.15 Join awesomuni [0] (ca2002c9@202.32.2.201) 11.00.37 Quit awesomuni (Client Quit) 11.01.14 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 11.02.25 Join beencubed [0] (~beencubed@209.131.238.248) 11.37.54 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 11.37.59 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.54.12 Quit Saijin-Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.00.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.18.01 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-24b7-5239-bea6-3583.res6.spectrum.com) 12.27.05 Quit petur (Quit: Connection reset by beer) 12.33.07 Join tomato [0] (t0mato@gateway/vpn/mullvad/tomato) 13.09.13 # _bilgus: you mentioned SD card boot before. does that work with fuze+? 13.25.52 Join lebellium [0] (~lebellium@89-92-69-66.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 13.29.58 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 13.30.11 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 13.34.16 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.38.55 # braewoods: according to the forum post, yep. 13.48.05 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-24b7-5239-bea6-3583.res6.spectrum.com) 14.00.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.08.30 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.41.30 Join bonfire [0] (~bonfire@c-24-2-109-9.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 14.47.10 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-24b7-5239-bea6-3583.res6.spectrum.com) 14.52.44 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.55.28 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 14.55.41 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffc8:d3b9:cd35:d790:c987) 14.56.33 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 14.57.38 Quit bonfire (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.57.57 Join bonfire [0] (~bonfire@c-24-2-109-9.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 14.58.09 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 15.08.28 Quit St3ak (Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net) 15.11.08 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-5037-32a0-b937-d140.res6.spectrum.com) 15.18.51 Join St3ak [0] (~st3ak@st3ak3000.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) 15.45.13 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 15.45.18 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 15.51.28 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 15.51.39 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 15.56.28 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@55d4a316.access.ecotel.net) 15.56.58 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 15.57.09 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:5579:9a60:54bd:c5b2) 15.59.27 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 15.59.39 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 16.00.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.01.21 # speachy: quick question. i know rockbox supports FM radio where hardware permits. is it possible to also support FM radio metadata? i think it's called RDS. i don't know if it also requires hardware support. 16.01.38 # I _think_ some of our targets support RDS. 16.02.06 # so it requires hardware support? 16.02.06 # but yes, it erquires that the tuner supports rds and is wired up in a way it can be queried. 16.02.12 # ok 16.02.12 # iirc Gigabeat (F? S?) does that. 16.02.31 # it would be nice to add that if we can find at least one target that supports it 16.02.55 # would it be in the datasheet if it is supported? 16.02.57 # the rockbox core supports it. 16.03.08 # so it's already supported? 16.03.10 # and yes, it would be in the tuner datasheet 16.03.29 # there are some patches in gerrit to improve/supplement rds features 16.03.35 # so it is 16.03.48 # and it's supposedly supported by the fuze+ too 16.04.23 # https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FmTunerHardware 16.04.53 # so the beast can do it. 16.05.51 # looks like tea5767 is the most common 16.06.27 # no RDS support 16.06.30 # not vital though 16.07.51 # wow. only a small handful with RDS. 16.08.08 Quit St3ak (Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net) 16.13.19 Join St3ak [0] (~st3ak@st3ak3000.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) 16.14.54 Quit freemint (Remote host closed the connection) 16.15.10 Join freemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 16.23.47 # braewoods: just tried it on Gigabeast. I can see both station name and radio text. 16.24.31 # though it seems that our default theme cabbiev2 doesn't handle the fm? Or maybe only this one. 16.26.18 # I think cabbiev2 is only WPS. No SBS and FMS 16.27.58 # adding an fms would be nice. Shouldn't be too hard, should it? 16.28.19 # My themes for Clip Zip, Fuze+ and Samsung YP-R0 support RDS name + RDS text 16.28.24 # maybe I can motivate myself to do that ... though definitely not today :) 16.28.30 # bluebrother^: does gigabeat support OTG? last i checked it did not 16.28.56 # braewoods: afaiu the hardware does. 16.29.50 Join freeemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 16.29.57 Quit bonfire (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.30.46 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 16.31.04 # RDS support is much common in Europe and was long a big deal before internet radios and streaming services. Clip Zip was probably the most successful Rockbox target for long and many people enjoyed the RDS support with it 16.31.32 # the newer sansas all supported it IIRC 16.33.07 # Yes, all Sandisk players after Clip+ supported RDS and all Samsung players since 2007 supported RDS 16.33.51 Ctcp Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 5 days and 5 hours at the last flood 16.33.51 # * bluebrother^ never had much use for fm radio in a dap. 16.33.58 # The only major brand which didn't understand the foreign market adaptation (Europe) was Sony 16.34.12 Quit freemint (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.35.52 # our nwzlinux port doesn't support rds, but that would be easy enough to add in if any of the hardware supported it 16.36.26 # Yes but Sony seleted the FM chipset variant without RDS AFAI 16.36.36 # yeah 16.36.39 # we checked this point with pamaury back to the time 16.37.06 # none of the more modern players we supoprt have an FM tuner. 16.37.13 # much less RDS support 16.37.52 # looking at what's sold now, the market push seems to be streaming via bluetooth or wifi rather than FM. 16.38.24 # though some of the higher-end units (all seemingly built on android) have an FM tuner. 16.38.26 # there was some attempts to add RDS support to FM tuners not supporting RDS officially such as SI4702, there are some patches on gerrit, but I think none of them really works 16.40.36 # In Europe, or at least in France, FM radio is still quite popular. The government is trying to push DAB+ but it's a slow move 16.41.28 # in the netherlands too I think 16.41.59 # "HD radio" in the US is pretty common but finding a tuner that isn't built into a car is getting harder. 16.42.00 # DAB+ is basically already obsolete IMO, people can just stream over 4G much more easily 16.42.53 # it is worth mentioning that DAB+/HDR are pretty power-hungry. 16.44.12 # As long as there are many "white areas" where you're used to have Edge, much happy to get 3G and 4G is only a dream, I think FM radio is relevant 16.47.52 # speachy: my phone is one of the few androids with an FM radio 16.47.58 Quit freeemint (Remote host closed the connection) 16.48.01 # the g4 play surprisingly has one 16.48.10 Join freeemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:5579:9a60:54bd:c5b2) 16.49.22 # Unfortunately manufacturers have an easy argument to remove FM radio from the smartphones: they already removed the 3.5mm jack output and FM radio usually uses the earphones as an antenna... 16.49.33 # oh right, i think my moto g5 had one 16.50.42 # actually my samsung a41 still has one! 16.51.22 # and it works! (first time I use it ...) 16.51.49 # most of the phones I had had one. Pretty much never used it. 16.52.08 # * bluebrother^ uses fm radio pretty much only in the car 16.52.48 # yeah, me too. and with how little driving I do these days.. 16.53.31 # I haven't updated rockbox in two years or so ... 16.53.36 # * bertrik hides in shame 16.54.00 # same here. Well, did some updates when doing some Rockbox Utility work. 16.54.08 # need to get the new version finished. 16.54.36 # and without Rockbox on Android it's mostly foobar for me these days. 16.55.50 # bluebrother^: what gigabeat do you have? 16.55.57 # the S series is super rare 16.56.08 # braewoods: S. As in "beast" :D 16.56.21 # can't even find it on ebay 16.56.48 # got it some years back to look into bootloader installation. Never got that integrated into Rockbox Utility, this mtp stuff is really painful :/ 16.57.02 # and doesn't really work with the assumption to have a mountpoint 16.57.13 # because it has multiple partitions? 16.58.07 # no, the problem is that the OF only does MTP. 16.58.25 # oh. 16.58.30 # no way to force UMS 16.58.40 # so we need to send things via MTP first. Rockbox Utility expects the player to have a mountpoint from the very beginning. 16.59.02 # sounds like expert install only 16.59.04 # almost 16.59.07 # you can install the bootloader using beastpatcher, then use Rockbox Utility to install the rest (since our bootloader does ums :) 16.59.27 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.59.35 # at least the internal drive is removeable so you can modify it from another device 16.59.37 # well, given how much people play around with adb to install roms on their phones these days ... 17.00.06 # wouldn't say beastpatcher is expert only, but it's definitely more involved than our usual install with Rockbox Utility. 17.00.51 # in any case gigabeat is so rare that it's kinda moot 17.01.48 # but then again I have no idea if that still works on Win10. Back then it was WXP, and you had to make sure to install WMP to actually get it to do something useful. 17.01.51 # true. 17.02.07 # bluebrother^: yea, same with some other crapola 17.02.26 # you could probably use a VM with usb passthrough today 17.03.08 # I would actually guess it'll still work on Win10 :) 17.03.38 # the philips gogears won't, they need an ancient wmp only available on xp 17.03.39 # but given the limited time for Rockbox these days I don't have too much interest in working on _that_ specific thing. 17.04.40 # the S series looks like a hidden gem of ports 17.05.29 # bluebrother^: what's your model of S series? 17.05.38 # back then it was the most powerful player. Good ol' times :D 17.05.57 # I miss rockbox hacking and the motivation I had when I did 17.06.02 # MES30V 17.06.19 # bertrik: yeah, that was fun. 17.06.31 # and devcon :) 17.07.08 # building towers ... 17.07.42 # bluebrother^: would you be interested in selling it? assuming it's still in good condition. it sounds like you barely used it. 17.10.43 # or even trading it perhaps 17.18.09 Quit ac_laptop (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) 17.18.25 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 17.22.58 Quit freeemint (Remote host closed the connection) 17.23.11 Join freeemint [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:7d58:824a:912e:3024) 17.25.11 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 17.27.03 Quit hook54321 () 17.27.29 Join hook54321 [0] (sid149355@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ubofpttnmhfxwudr) 17.27.52 Quit freeemint (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.33.49 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 17.41.58 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-5037-32a0-b937-d140.res6.spectrum.com) 17.44.58 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 17.45.11 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 17.46.40 Quit Saijin_Naib (Remote host closed the connection) 17.46.49 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-5037-32a0-b937-d140.res6.spectrum.com) 17.50.58 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 17.51.10 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffc8:d3b9:cd35:d790:c987) 17.53.28 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 17.53.40 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 17.57.08 Join PimpiN8 [0] (~PimpiN8@178.239.173.176) 18.00.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.09.48 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.20.21 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 18.23.58 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 18.24.10 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffc8:d3b9:cd35:d790:c987) 18.33.45 Join cockroach [0] (~blattodea@pdpc/supporter/active/cockroach) 18.44.57 Quit mendel_munkis (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.45.31 Join S|h|a|w|n [0] (~shawn156@unaffiliated/shawn156) 18.48.25 Quit PimpiN8 (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 19.07.43 Quit cockroach (Remote host closed the connection) 19.08.08 Join cockroach [0] (~blattodea@pdpc/supporter/active/cockroach) 19.13.00 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.33.02 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@ool-43568247.dyn.optonline.net) 19.47.28 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 19.47.39 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 19.58.12 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.00.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.50.54 Nick mendelmunkis is now known as mendel_munkis (~mendelmun@ool-43568247.dyn.optonline.net) 21.08.34 Quit MrZeus (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 21.09.36 Quit mendel_munkis (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.14.49 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 21.17.57 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 21.18.19 Join mendelmunkis [0] (~mendelmun@ool-43568247.dyn.optonline.net) 21.20.34 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:2abf:c8f8:8aa3:41d7) 21.26.28 Quit freemint__ (Remote host closed the connection) 21.26.39 Join freemint__ [0] (~freemint@2001:638:904:ffc8:d3b9:cd35:d790:c987) 21.42.02 Quit Saijin_Naib (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.47.40 Join bonfire [0] (~bonfire@c-24-2-109-9.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 21.57.03 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-5037-32a0-b937-d140.res6.spectrum.com) 22.00.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.05.33 Join f1reflyylmao [0] (~f1refly@2a01:c22:8432:7b00:3959:1bb1:edd2:c52) 22.06.43 Quit f1refly (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.06.43 Nick f1reflyylmao is now known as f1refly (~f1refly@2a01:c22:8432:7b00:3959:1bb1:edd2:c52) 22.08.46 Quit Xeha (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22.18.31 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 22.18.58 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 22.26.34 Quit cockroach (Quit: leaving) 22.33.19 Join Xeha [0] (~Xeha@unaffiliated/xeha) 23.05.21 Quit emacsomancer (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.06.12 Join emacsomancer [0] (~runner@c-174-52-88-123.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 23.13.45 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.27.16 Quit advcomp2019 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23.29.14 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019)