--- Log for 13.03.121 Server: beckett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 8 hours ago 00.04.28 Quit JanC (Remote host closed the connection) 00.04.51 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 00.07.19 Quit massiveH (Quit: Leaving) 00.19.44 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.21.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.39.25 Join Rower [0] (~Rower@78-73-72-39-no2340.tbcn.telia.com) 01.39.31 Quit Rower (Remote host closed the connection) 01.53.15 Quit Xeha (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 02.37.34 Join nia_ [0] (~nia@h67-204-155-133.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) 02.38.07 # this is the rockbox irc right 02.38.42 # i think ive got myself an ipod mini second gen (4gb) 02.38.54 # can i run rockbox on it? 02.39.57 # https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPort 02.41.00 # oh cool, "ipod mini 2nd gen" is stable 02.41.01 # woooo 02.54.29 # don't expect 4GB to go far today though 02.54.31 # lol 02.55.55 # mini just got cf card interface inside right? 02.56.20 # i mean i know that 4gb wont hold much but it still should be able to yknow play music right? 02.56.28 # +braewoods 02.56.37 # yeah it will 02.56.40 # unless battery is dead 02.56.45 # cool 02.57.02 # i have this boombox (i found it in a trash can) that has ipod support with the like, bottom part of the ipod 02.57.10 # so im hoping to use that to play 02.57.21 # if its working atm 02.57.56 # if your ipod has never had the battery replaced then you may want to do so and also upgrade that storage to CF 02.58.10 # improved runtime and more capacity 02.58.38 # I had plans for the 5.5th gen iPod I got 02.58.42 # ooohhh can i get a guide for that? 02.58.49 # but since I have Clip+ I barely use it 02.59.00 # id love to add a new battery and upgrade the storage (what do you mean by CF?) 02.59.18 # nia_: compact flash, it's a common mod for rockbox HD based unit 02.59.29 # oooohhh makes sense 02.59.40 # yeah that sounds like a great mod 02.59.43 # just don't go for iflash as RB still has compatibility issues 03.00.08 # looks like your doesn't need an adapter 03.00.14 # https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CFModGuide#No_adapter 03.00.25 # hell yeah thank you 03.00.52 # how much capacity? 03.01.09 # CF can get a bit pricey to buy the regular kind 03.01.29 # you mean how much capacity do i have now? 4 gigs 03.01.33 # no 03.01.35 # i mean 03.01.39 # how much do you want to expand to 03.01.42 # ohhhhh 03.02.16 # you can find ipod batteries in a lot of places 03.02.20 # just make sure it's for your model 03.02.33 # well my music folder on my pc is 3.6 gigs 03.02.41 # so i might even be fine with 4 03.02.47 # but if id want to upgrade id go to 16 03.02.57 # yea, but the HDD is so old it might be a liability 03.02.58 # unless thats stupidly high for compact flash 03.03.07 # i routinely use 64G 03.03.09 # actualy 03.03.21 # oh cool 03.03.22 # it goes as high as 128G before you need to use something else to go higher 03.03.23 # >music folder is 3.6GB 03.03.34 # reminds me of old times when I had such little stuff 03.03.45 # i dont know why its so small to be honest 03.03.52 # i have a lot of lossless in here 03.04.00 # I guess not enough 03.04.18 # mine is 152GB, but I know it's still small for some 03.04.24 # impressive 03.04.40 # i have a decently sized physical collection so that lightens it up a bit 03.05.37 # nia_: just find a CF card on amazon or ebay, preferably a known vendor like sandisk or lexar 03.05.49 # the size doesn't matter much unless you have a lot 03.06.07 # cool thanks 03.06.09 # the main thing to note is anything greater than 128G isn't guaranteed to work on all ports 03.06.17 # also how are you responding to me directly 03.06.32 # that's the threshold where ATA28 cuts off 03.06.46 # you need LBA48 to address larger disks 03.06.54 # not all targets support it 03.07.05 # nia_: this? 03.07.10 # yeah that 03.07.13 # new to irc 03.07.29 # erm... it's just your nick prefixed with a colon 03.07.34 # err 03.07.36 # suffixed 03.07.50 # not really part of IRC standard, just a common client thing 03.07.58 # braewoods: like this 03.08.08 # yea? my client has nick auto complete 03.08.24 # depends on your client 03.08.33 # usually auto complete is triggered by tab 03.08.42 # im using konversation so your messages with "nia_ 03.08.49 # are highlighted? 03.08.53 # "nia_" are all red yes 03.09.05 # that's a common IRC client thing 03.09.12 # anytime your nick appears in input 03.09.18 # it gets highlighted 03.09.24 # cool 03.09.35 # Eh.. linux user then? 03.09.45 # yeah im a linux user :P 03.10.04 # you'll need to use itunes to reinstall the OF iPod firmware for the upgrade to work 03.10.10 # no idea how that all works 03.10.22 # oh dang 03.10.38 # yea, that's part of why i never cared for the ipod targets 03.10.44 # ill see if i can get rockbox to run first then i think 03.10.52 # i can probably live on 4 gigs 03.11.07 # but there's a few targets that also need Windows XP to do HDD replacements 03.11.10 # or 03.11.13 # at least a copy of the OF files 03.11.27 # XP? wow 03.11.34 # yea, the philips targets 03.11.52 # iRiver H10 needs windows software to "repair" the OF 03.12.16 # but you can do the same from Linux if you have the files it wants to install 03.12.45 # oh and for reference 03.12.54 # yeah? 03.12.57 # i'm working on expanding the USB driver stack on rockbox 03.13.06 # oh thats really cool 03.13.14 # i added battery reporting to the existing HID driver 03.13.20 # but only Linux works with it afaik 03.13.31 # ive never contributed to a project before but i have so much respect for people who do 03.13.40 # i just dont know any programming lol 03.13.51 # I actually did Linux userspace C before i ever wrote any RB code 03.14.06 # some targets are far more amenable to development than others 03.14.16 # huh thats interesting 03.14.23 # btw do you know what this hold switch does 03.14.31 # on the top of the ipod 03.14.38 # it doesnt seem to do much of anything 03.14.45 # most RB targets have hold switches; they cause input to be ignored 03.14.50 # it's to prevent changes 03.15.16 # ooooohhh okay 03.15.24 # so you can sit on it 03.15.31 # i wouldn't advise it 03.15.38 # fair enough :P 03.15.54 # also whats the port at the bottom called 03.16.06 # where you charge and mount it 03.16.17 # depends on the target 03.16.29 # your ipod falls into a category that uses proprietary breakout cables 03.16.38 # to access things like USB or DC charging 03.16.59 # im just talking about like 03.17.09 # the hole in the bottom that the cord goes in 03.17.17 # whats that specific hole called 03.17.27 # no idea what its specific name is 03.17.37 # makes sense 03.17.38 # but it's where you plug the cable or dock into 03.18.05 # in this case it's both 03.18.05 # i was wondering if rockbox has support for playing music over that 03.18.09 # no diea 03.18.11 # idea 03.18.16 # it may 03.18.26 # since my speaker uses that feature which is what i think this ipod is going to be used primarily for 03.18.31 # is there a way to check that? 03.18.48 # yes... install RB and see the results 03.18.59 # lol okay 03.19.11 # does it write over the normal apple firmware or can you restore that 03.19.13 # there's a number of players with docking connectorsl ike that 03.19.36 # most targets get patched so RB can boot but the OF is usually still available if you know how to trigger it 03.19.56 # ok cool 03.20.06 # so if you uninstall rb the of takes over 03.20.21 # you'd have to reinstall the OF to completely remove RB 03.20.28 # ah okay 03.20.42 # where RB installs itself is device specific 03.20.49 # does that require setting up before you install RB? like making a backup 03.20.55 # but on many targets it just patches files on the internal disk 03.21.16 # i cna't really answer specific questions about the iPod 03.21.21 # i don't use those targets 03.21.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.21.24 # fair 03.21.29 # guess ill test it out lol 03.21.41 # I own ports like the H100 series 03.22.10 # if one were to buy used units today i would recommend ones that use fairly standard connectors 03.22.20 # like barrel jack or micro usb 03.22.35 # and aren't super rare 03.22.43 # lol 03.22.48 # i mean 03.23.04 # the boombox i found in the trash and the ipod i found in the closet happened to share a connector 03.23.06 # so 03.23.10 # the H100 series is pretty good for a system with no software USB support 03.23.37 # it just has a single hardware USB system for accessing the disk 03.24.32 # it was my first project, i updated the bootloader for the H100 and H300 ports 03.24.42 # thats awesome 03.24.44 # so they could enjoy bug fixes that had been made available 03.24.52 # since the original release like 12 years earlier 03.25.24 # it mostly fixed CF card compatibility 03.30.39 # rockbox installer says "could not open ipod: permission denied" 03.30.44 # do i need to run it as root 03.30.45 # lol 03.33.02 # oh yes, i do apparently 03.36.53 # braewoods: IT WORKS YESSS 03.36.58 # over the dock 03.37.01 # this is so cool 03.37.07 # ty for your help im very happy 03.53.57 Quit nia_ (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 03.54.14 Join nia_ [0] (~nia@h67-204-155-133.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) 03.54.14 Nick nia_ is now known as ruthmarx_the_pra (~nia@h67-204-155-133.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) 04.03.54 Nick ruthmarx_the_pra is now known as nia (~nia@h67-204-155-133.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) 04.09.53 Quit nia (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 04.10.12 Join nia [0] (~nia@h67-204-155-133.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) 04.14.35 Quit nia (Client Quit) 04.17.24 Quit koniu (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04.32.16 Join lebellium [0] (~lebellium@89-92-69-66.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 04.33.32 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 04.35.51 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 04.36.17 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 05.21.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.40.42 Quit J_Darnley (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.43.54 Join J_Darnley [0] (~J_Darnley@d51A44418.access.telenet.be) 07.14.05 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@irssi/staff/TheLemonMan) 07.21.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.50.16 # speachy: after reviewing PTP i'm left wondering what the responder should do if it receives more command packets during a transaction. 07.50.18 # Build Server message: New build round started. Revision 3d2783f367, 293 builds, 9 clients. 07.50.33 # speachy: the language just says there's a single command buffer 07.51.01 # suggesting you might want to queue the commands for later processing 07.51.07 # since you can't respond to them immediately 07.51.47 # though i can't see why the initiator would want to pipeline commands all that much 07.52.06 # if a transaction fails or is canceled, then the responder has to clear any backlogged commands 07.56.12 # though given usb 2.0's half-duplex design 07.56.36 # i can't necessarily see them doing that much 07.56.38 # but hm 07.58.41 # Oh. That solves that mystery. 07.58.57 # "The Still Image Bulk-only Protocol, which is based on the PIMA15740 protocol, does not 07.58.59 # allow queuing of operations 07.59.01 # " 07.59.07 # so it has to wait for a response 07.59.09 # period 08.01.21 # Build Server message: Build round completed after 664 seconds. 08.01.24 # Build Server message: Revision 3d2783f367 result: All green 08.04.20 Quit toruvinn (*.net *.split) 08.04.21 Quit msc68 (*.net *.split) 08.04.21 Quit Skyrider (*.net *.split) 08.04.21 Quit galaxy_knuckles (*.net *.split) 08.04.28 Join toruvinn [0] (~toruvinn@77-255-90-179.adsl.inetia.pl) 08.04.37 Join msc68 [0] (~quassel@204.48.30.120) 08.04.39 Join Skyrider [0] (~Skyrider@v220200567215119438.goodsrv.de) 08.07.40 Join galaxy_knuckles [0] (~gknux@db4g.com) 08.07.40 Quit galaxy_knuckles (Changing host) 08.07.40 Join galaxy_knuckles [0] (~gknux@unaffiliated/galaxy-knuckles/x-1756549) 08.13.15 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 08.29.05 Join fmlatghor [0] (~lcoogan@2601:5cd:8100:2890:f113:9aeb:3998:dd8f) 08.46.16 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 08.57.43 # anyone care to comment on g#3220 ? 08.57.45 # Gerrit review #3220 at https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/3220 : Customizable Current Playlist Submenu by Christian Soffke 09.00.44 # This isn't functionality I personally use, and it seems like a good idea. 09.19.12 Quit fmlatghor (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1) 09.21.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.35.57 Join Stanley00 [0] (~stanley00@unaffiliated/stanley00) 09.45.16 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 09.45.58 # I'm obviously all for it. ;) Sorry for all of the updates to that patch. Mostly that was documentation I had forgotten. I'd actually like to update it once more though in order to change "Queue Options"(Show/Hide/Relocate to Submenu) to "Show Queue Options" (Yes/No/In Submenu) and "Shuffled Adding" to "Show Shuffled Adding Options" so that it makes 09.45.59 # more sense in the Settings menu (and file). Which also means that LANG_SHOW and LANG_HIDE don't need to be added to the language file and the setting whether to show Shuffled Adding options can be turned into a boolean. I'll set it to WIP and then back to ready for review when I'm done. 09.48.33 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.02.48 Join Xeha [0] (~Xeha@unaffiliated/xeha) 10.38.49 Quit chris_s (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 10.39.29 Quit Stanley00 () 10.58.41 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 10.58.43 # ok, done 11.02.15 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 11.18.10 Quit chris_s (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 11.21.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.31.49 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-20fe-a8f3-456c-3583.res6.spectrum.com) 11.39.07 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 11.39.11 # Or would it be better to call them commands instead of options? Ugh... 11.47.47 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.50.12 Quit chris_s (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 11.50.37 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 11.51.54 # I think I'll leave it as it is. 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Go fuck yourselves! 16.41.26 Quit Guest80072 (Client Quit) 16.57.15 # <_bilgus_> poor stan 17.04.01 Quit PimpiN8 (Remote host closed the connection) 17.07.46 # Who hurt him? 17.07.51 # rofl 17.11.34 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-855f-b256-ad1a-e2c8.res6.spectrum.com) 17.21.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.22.05 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 17.23.06 # What is the reason for the database using a track's title for its grouping if the latter is missing? 17.23.07 # https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/3d2783f3679171eef785da5d51fcb50954f15119/apps/tagcache.c#L1972 17.23.07 # Just wondering if I'm missing something. When you save the work (of a composer) in that tag, browsing by composer -> grouping becomes fairly useless if it's also littered with track titles (where tracks don't have a grouping tag). 17.23.08 DBUG Enqueued KICK chris_s 17.23.08 # It's easy enough to change that in your own build but I'm wondering for what use cases Rockbox's behavior makes sense? 17.27.22 Quit chris_s (Quit: Connection closed) 17.45.01 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 17.47.24 # I just found the original author's explanation (from FS#7362). I don't really understand the reasoning though: 17.47.25 # "when building the database and a track doesn’t have a grouping tag, it copies the value from the title tag. This should make browsing through classcical works in the database a bit nicer since you will find all your music, not only titles having the grouping tag explicitely set" 17.47.26 # https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7362 Support for GROUPING tag (patches, closed) 17.49.19 Join dconrad [0] (d026e411@208.38.228.17) 17.55.06 Quit chris_s (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 18.12.41 Quit dconrad (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 18.27.31 Quit lebellium (Quit: Leaving) 18.43.57 Join cockroach [0] (~blattodea@pdpc/supporter/active/cockroach) 18.45.34 # chris_s: I'm only back at my keyboard briefly but if you didn't already, please convert fs#9613 into a gerrit patch 18.45.36 # https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9613 Allow formatting of track names for the default database menus (patches, new) 18.57.54 Join chris_s [0] (5fdf48e9@ip-95-223-72-233.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de) 18.57.57 # will do 19.17.30 Quit chris_s (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 19.18.23 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.21.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.21.48 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.24.22 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 19.24.50 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 19.28.32 Quit Saijin_Naib (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.31.40 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 19.32.09 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 19.35.52 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 19.36.18 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 19.47.52 Join Saijin_Naib [0] (~Saijin_Na@2603-7081-1d05-7230-855f-b256-ad1a-e2c8.res6.spectrum.com) 20.01.15 Join dconrad [0] (d026e411@208.38.228.17) 20.06.21 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 20.06.52 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 20.10.23 Quit dconrad (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) 20.23.28 Join ac_laptop [0] (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) 20.34.07 Join massiveH [0] (~massiveH@ool-18e4e82f.dyn.optonline.net) 20.41.40 Quit MrZeus_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21.21.40 Join jdarnley [0] (~J_Darnley@d51A44418.access.telenet.be) 21.21.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.23.55 Quit J_Darnley (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21.33.26 Quit ufdm (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.33.26 Join ufdm_ [0] (~ufdm@c-73-164-63-214.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 21.35.52 Quit ac_laptop (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.18.56 # Build Server message: New build round started. Revision 714f7a21da, 293 builds, 9 clients. 22.28.50 Join f1reflyylmao [0] (~f1refly@2a01:c23:90ac:2800:a685:e9f:8f1e:e24a) 22.30.13 # Build Server message: Build round completed after 677 seconds. 22.30.16 # Build Server message: Revision 714f7a21da result: All green 22.30.43 Quit cockroach (Quit: leaving) 22.31.09 Quit f1refly (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.31.09 Nick f1reflyylmao is now known as f1refly (~f1refly@2a01:c23:90ac:2800:a685:e9f:8f1e:e24a) 22.55.57 Join lemon_jesus [0] (~lemon_jes@208.59.79.137) 23.02.26 Quit koniu (Remote host closed the connection) 23.03.26 Join koniu [0] (~koniu@gateway/tor-sasl/koniu) 23.21.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.31.31 # speachy: i was thinking about how to implement a split mode MTP implementation. 23.31.43 # one option is multiple drivers but i was also thinking 23.32.22 # i could have a single driver that refuses file changes with the access denied error code when not in exclusive mode 23.32.33 # or something like that 23.32.59 # it seems the protocol allows this 23.33.35 # "This response shall be sent when access to data required by the operation is denied. 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