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11.05.13 #       <ZephLittle> Hi, regarding to https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204217#ipodnano I've got an iPod Nano fith generation A1320: September 2009 but the rockbox manual only lists 1st and second generation. Does it still work for my model?
11.05.45 #       <speachy> if it's not explicitly listed as supported, it's not supported.
11.06.20 #       <speachy> More specifically:  https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPort
11.08.15 #       <ZephLittle> Too bad. Thanks a lot.
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13.58.29 #       <cereal_eater> Hello. I want to report, that on a iAudio X5 a current dev build mostly works, but pictureflow hangs the player, when launching the plugin from the plugin menu. Altough it worked on first launch it hangs with empty sildes after displaying "updatimng album art cache in background".
13.59.20 #       <cereal_eater> Haas surraound seems to work better now (without lags)
14.03.18 #       <speachy> the pictureflow plugin is known to have some issues that are still eluding us.
14.04.04 #       <speachy> but I'm glad the X5 is generally working!
14.04.51 #       <cereal_eater> I see. Yes, that's nice. But what is the open plugin in the wps context menu. Selecting it gives "could not open"
14.05.27 #       <cereal_eater> couldn't find it in the manual, or some information on the website.
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14.09.53 #       <cereal_eater> I think I found out, what it does, but the same error tough I added some plugins to the open_pligins.opx
14.13.10 #       <speachy> that's somethign that bilgus has been working on
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14.19.20 #       <cereal_eater> OK, I'll report this and other tests on the forum
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14.59.15 #       <speachy> ok, the dx50/dx90 stuff works, but the code has no way of knowing the initial card state.
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15.12.05 #       <bluebrother> speachy: was there recently a change to the forum software? I get wrongly escaped html stuff with my rss reader.
15.12.48 #       <bluebrother> looking at the rss I can see stuff like this: I don&#039;#039t know
15.15.02 #       <bluebrother> not a big issue, but kinda annoying :)
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15.24.26 #       <jschwart> hi all, I was always download music in flac & converting that to vorbis for my iPod mini, is that indeed the best format to pick or is there a different format now that might be more optimal?
15.24.32 #       <jschwart> downloading*
15.26.31 #       <bluebrother> depends on what your optimization target is
15.33.45 #       <jschwart> size with reasonable quality
15.33.50 #       <jschwart> the ipod has only 4GB
15.34.22 #       <bluebrother> well, for me vorbis is the best compromise between size, quality and cpu usage.
15.34.32 #       <bluebrother> you can easily mod the Ipod with a CF card btw.
15.34.42 #       <jschwart> yeah I read about that
15.34.50 #       <jschwart> how much would I gain in space then?
15.35.01 #       <bluebrother> well, as much as you put a CF card in :)
15.35.10 #       <bluebrother> I have one with a 64G CF.
15.35.11 #       <jschwart> yeah but I have no clue how big those generally are :)
15.35.16 #       <jschwart> ah wow
15.37.07 #       <jschwart> I have also thought about buying another device from time to time, but it seems this would be better
15.37.28 #       <bluebrother> the nice thing is that you can simply replace the microdrive with a cf card. No need for any adapter to msd or similar.
15.38.04 #       <jschwart> ah yeah maybe other devices cannot be upgraded like that?
15.38.16 #       <jschwart> I presume there are no known size restrictions?
15.38.20 #       <bluebrother> quick search on amazon showed they have 128g cf cards. More expensive than msd, but well ...
15.38.49 #       <jschwart> I don't think I've ever held either msd or cf cards
15.38.53 #       <jschwart> in my hands
15.38.57 #       <bluebrother> none that I'm aware of. With modding theres often a limit at 128g, but I never tried anything that size
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15.39.36 #       <jschwart> so far I was just using it as a basic user, I never really dove much into things
15.41.10 #       <_bilgus> re the open plugins thing you need to set wps open plugin in the settings menu
15.42.48 #       <copper> Opus has the best quality / size ratio right now
15.43.11 #       <jschwart> yeah but my ipod mini barely responds when I play that it seems
15.44.25 #       <copper> try Musepack then
15.44.52 #       <copper> it's the fastest codec in decoding speeds
15.45.02 #       <bluebrother> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MiniCF
15.45.49 #       <jschwart> but is musepack better than vorbis quality/size wise?
15.46.07 #       <copper> depends on bitrate
15.46.25 #       <copper> the lower you go, the better Vorbis will be relative to other codecs
15.46.53 #       <jschwart> normally I just pick whatever defaults the converter gives me
15.46.57 #       <copper> past 160-180 kbps, it matters less and less
15.47.44 #       <jschwart> yeah I guess 192 kbps is usual
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15.49.39 #       <jschwart> bluebrother: thanks, I see the latest apple firmware is needed
15.49.42 #       <copper> I have my eye on a modified iPod Classic with a 512 GB SSD, so that I can just put my entire FLAC collection on it
15.50.23 #       <jschwart> I guess it might be a challenge to arrange that
15.50.54 #       <copper> obviously that would get me uncompromised quality even with marginal tracks, but FLAC is also the fastest to decode
15.51.04 #       <jschwart> I remember out of the box, that ipod didn't do anything, my brother had a windows pc with itunes and initialized it back in 2005
15.51.26 #       <jschwart> afterwards I put Rockbox on straight
15.51.34 #       <jschwart> and never touched anything Apple with it since
15.52.36 #       <bluebrother> I consider opus too slow on the mini. It works, but the ipod really gets sluggish. So for me the best compromise is vorbis.
15.53.02 #       <bluebrother> well, if you have a linux or macos box you can restore the disk manually. Did that a couple of times (basically whenever I modded the ipod :)
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15.53.42 #       <bluebrother> oh, and to clarify my statement about a 128g limit: there's a limit with some ATA bridges. No idea if the ipod is affected by this.
15.53.43 #       <copper> is the Rockbox utility compatible with the new M1 Macs?
15.53.47 #       <jschwart> only gnu/linux basically
15.53.47 #       <daemonspudguy> Is work on the Android port dead?
15.54.22 #       <bluebrother> copper: no / maybe.
15.54.33 #       <copper> bluebrother: drives larger than that have been known to work
15.55.22 #       <bluebrother> Rockbox Utility is a Qt5 application, so if you have Qt5 on the M1 it should work. Afaik only Qt6 supports the M1. There is work in progress to make Rockbox Utility compile with Qt6.
15.55.29 #       <daemonspudguy> bluebrother: that is the answer to "Do I have a YouTube schedule."
15.55.32 #       <daemonspudguy> No / mabe
15.55.33 #       <bluebrother> mostly working, some issues left.
15.56.16 #       <jschwart> when I originally saw the page, I thought I might do it when the drive breaks
15.56.28 #       <daemonspudguy> I really need to get an iPod classic. Which model is best for Rockbox?
15.56.32 #       <jschwart> it seems surprisingly strong, I can even hear it's moving sometimes
15.56.33 #       <bluebrother> daemonspudguy: huh? I was replying to copper's question ...
15.56.37 #       <copper> the latest one
15.57.35 #       <copper> I have the very latest version of the iPod Classic, it works fine with Rockbox
15.57.49 #       <copper> I bought it one month before it got discontinued
15.57.58 #       <daemonspudguy> I've heard good things about the iPod Video, but the last time I saw one in person was when my baby brother threw my Dad's in the toilet over 10 years ago.
15.58.09 #       <daemonspudguy> My dad wasn't happy.
15.58.10 #       <copper> the iPod Video has a bass roll off
15.58.38 #       <bluebrother> ipods aren't intended to be thrown in the toilet :)
15.58.42 #       <daemonspudguy> I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what that is but it doesn't sound very good.
15.59.03 #       <bluebrother> daemonspudguy: as for the Android port, afaik nobody is working on it and it's kinda stuck for veeery old Android.
15.59.23 #       <copper> bass roll off? It means it is slightly lacking in bass, it doesn't quite output the very lowest frequencies
15.59.32 #       <bluebrother> though I wouldn't mind Rockbox on Android. Ended up using foobar2k ...
15.59.34 #       <daemonspudguy> I know the Chinese Rockbox Community got a good port working for modern-ish Android builds.
16.00.02 #       <daemonspudguy> Foobar2k is nice, shame I can't fucking get it to work very well in Wine.
16.00.24 #       <daemonspudguy> The Android version is good.
16.00.30 #       <copper> Quod Libet on Linux and macOS is a really good alternative to foobar2000
16.00.31 #       <bluebrother> well, on Linux audacious is good enough for my needs.
16.00.56 #       <bluebrother> given that I mostly use an Android device these days, or a Rockbox one.
16.01.03 #       <daemonspudguy> I know Foobar2k is the only Android app that plays ALAC files that I know of.
16.02.00 #       <daemonspudguy> I know DeaDBeeF is well loved, but I can't get the folder library plugin to compile.
16.02.05 #       <daemonspudguy> On Linux
16.02.27 #       <daemonspudguy> I don't use Windows anymore.
16.02.46 #       <copper> ALAC is still a thing?
16.02.54 #       <daemonspudguy> Apparently.
16.03.12 #       <daemonspudguy> The only lossless codec iTunes and Apple Music want to deal with.
16.03.32 #       <copper> sure, but I haven't heard Apple communicate about ALAC in years
16.03.41 #       <daemonspudguy> APE is better supported on Android. And I had never heard of it until recently.
16.03.48 #       <copper> APE is ooold
16.04.06 #       <copper> even older than FLAC IIRC
16.04.36 #       <daemonspudguy> At least ALAC is supported on my Android apps than SHN.
16.04.42 #       <daemonspudguy> *more
16.04.51 #       <copper> and Shorten is even older haha
16.05.28 #       <daemonspudguy> Over on Yeeshkul!, that is a common format to see the bootlegs distributed in.
16.05.35 #       <daemonspudguy> Which is fun. /s
16.05.39 #       <copper> still? amazing.
16.05.57 #       <daemonspudguy> Apparently because it's smaller than FLAC.
16.06.20 #       <speachy> bluebrother: I did upgrade it to teh latest point release due to another (inevitable) pile of security holes
16.06.24 #       <copper> If you want the best performance, try TAK
16.06.35 #       <daemonspudguy> I still have yet to see people give lossless audio a lot of FLAC. Heh heh.
16.06.39 #       <copper> Really fast, compresses really well
16.06.57 #       <daemonspudguy> I apologize for that terrible pun up there.
16.06.58 #       <copper> daemonspudguy: hurr, durr
16.07.03 #       <copper> :-D
16.07.21 #       <bluebrother> speachy: ok. Seems that added a bug in rss output.
16.07.54 #       <bluebrother> but I can live with that.
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16.09.19 #       <speachy> daemonspudguy: the android port hasn't been touched in a _long_ time.  It won't work past 4.4 (kitkat).  There was a "chinese rockbox" group that did a lot of work on the port but nobody has had the time/attention/motivation to try and bring it back into the mothership and proceed fromthere.
16.09.39 #       <edhelas> the mothership :D
16.09.55 #       <copper> Rockbox needs an iOS initiative
16.10.14 #       <speachy> \
16.10.21 #       <daemonspudguy> And then glorious leader Xi Jinping killed the Rockbox Chinese community.
16.10.21 #       <copper> I would expect it to take a lot less work to support most iOS devices out there
16.10.43 #       <copper> foobar2000 on iOS works great
16.10.50 #       <copper> it's all I use
16.10.57 #       <speachy> copper: an iOS port will never happen.
16.10.59 #       <daemonspudguy> I didn't even know Foobar2k existed on iOS.
16.11.40 #       <speachy> not unless Epic succeeds in forcing Apple to open up their platform.
16.11.43 #       <daemonspudguy> An iOS port of Rockbox would be instantly killed by Apple one they see someone else updating classic iPods.
16.11.50 #       <copper> its UI is a little unconventional, but once you get used to it, it's rock solid
16.12.00 #       <daemonspudguy> *once.
16.12.13 #       <copper> don't they know by now?
16.12.16 #       <speachy> daemonspudguy: no, it would have a very hard time passing the app guideline/requirements
16.12.24 #       <copper> why?
16.12.28 #       <daemonspudguy> I know fb2k is great, it's my main mobile local player.
16.12.35 #       <copper> if fb2k can do it, why can't Rockbox?
16.12.35 #       <speachy> but that's moot as rockbox's GPL license precludes Apple distributing it anyway.
16.13.12 #       <daemonspudguy> Extensions and Apple devices don't go well. Also, GPL. If it was under the ISC license, then maybe.
16.13.58 #       <daemonspudguy> Or the Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License, the best license.
16.14.02 #       <speachy> but hey, if somoene is motivated enough to try, more power to them.
16.15.03 #       <copper> a good EQ is the only thing I'm missing from foobar2000 on iOS
16.15.43 #       <_bilgus> thats the real issue isn't it who is gonna put in the work?
16.15.51 #       <speachy> same goes for updating the android port.  I peronally have zero interest in a touchscreen-only port.
16.16.11 #       <copper> Android is any developer's nightmare
16.16.34 #       <_bilgus> only worth it if you are gonna monetize it
16.16.34 #       <copper> dozens of different devices with dozens of different quirks
16.17.20 #       <_bilgus> not that we don't work on devices with their own quirks though
16.17.45 #       <copper> I guess that's true :-D
16.22.02 #       <speachy> _bilgus: so we have a report of the mrobe500 hanging on boot.
16.22.48 #       <_bilgus> never gets to the second boot scrren?
16.24.34 #       <speachy> all I have to go on is the forum post
16.24.52 #       <speachy> "hangs on boot like other builds, only c710ab65bd-200512 works"
16.25.05 #       <speachy> c710ab65bd doesn't seem to exist in our repo
16.25.21 #       <_bilgus> yeah
16.25.28 #       <_bilgus> I was just trying to find it
16.26.59 #       <_bilgus> 05 12 2020 right
16.27.32 #       <speachy> seems so but I wonder if that was a random build someone made with non-public changes.
16.28.48 #       <speachy> it has a TI tms320dm320
16.28.55 #       <speachy> which also means IRAM @ 0x0
16.30.00 #       <speachy> shared with zen vision, zen vision m, sansa connect
16.31.32 #       <_bilgus> I guess if they are broken too that might help point towards that direction
16.31.45 #       <speachy> they aren't even on the list in the forum post.  :)
16.32.03 #       <_bilgus> neither is the go gear
16.32.22 #       <_bilgus> I grabbed the list from the dev.build page
16.32.50 #       <speachy> the mrobe500 is the only tms320 target on the dev build page
16.34.41 #       <speachy> so who knows.
16.35.24 #       <speachy> biab
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17.04.34 #       <jschwart> blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 7999464 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
17.04.44 #       <jschwart> maybe my ipod mini drive is actually damaged...
17.08.32 #       <jschwart> could also be a bad cable...
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17.20.55 #       <oEncyclopedia> can't stay for long but the patchset on the page https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMidiPlay
17.20.59 #       <oEncyclopedia> does not work
17.24.43 #       <oEncyclopedia> I have made an archive.org page with that file
17.24.44 #       <oEncyclopedia> https://archive.org/details/Rockbox_MIDI_Patchset
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18.30.32 #       <speachy> hmm, cheapest mrobe500 I can find on ebay is about $79 shipped.
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19.17.57 #       <braewoods> speachy: why would we need one?
19.19.33 #       <braewoods> wow wth that's one weird port
19.19.53 #       <braewoods> touch screen
19.19.57 #       <braewoods> it looks like
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19.49.16 #       <speachy> another non-booting target.  only one considered usable with that speciffic SoC.
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20.23.20 #       <braewoods> speachy: we got a user report of that?
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22.47.49 #       <speachy> braewoods: yep