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02.27.08 #       <braewoods> apt deciding to regenerate the same initrd 2+ times during the same upgrade pass
02.27.23 #       <braewoods> or regenerating grub config 2+ times
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14.18.39 #       <paulcarroty> hey, can you recommend any compatible modern player with fm radio?
14.21.09 #       <speachy> not aware of anything modern-ish.
14.21.20 #       <speachy> with a radio, I mean
14.22.48 #       <yang> hm
14.23.00 #       <yang> fiio m3k maybe ?
14.23.11 #       <yang> does it have the radio, I didn't check
14.25.03 #       <paulcarroty> no radio, sadly
14.35.30 #       <__builtin> the ipods have a radio remote
14.35.43 #       <__builtin> which we don't support
14.36.04 #       <__builtin> I have one if someone wants to look into it
14.51.05 #       <speachy> actually it is sorta supported, albeit a litle flaky
14.52.14 #       <paulcarroty> ipods are great, one issue is lacking sdcards
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14.54.39 #       <bilgus_ph> Modern players probably no FM supported players yes see the device page for them clips come to mind and maybe Sony
14.55.06 #       <speachy> I picked up one of those tuners a couple months ago.. turned out to be defective
14.56.03 #       <speachy> but it did "work" on a nano2g -- detected, tuned, and if I jiffled the cable right, produced sound!
14.58.12 #       <bilgus_ph> https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/
14.59.02 #       <bilgus_ph> www.rockbox.org/wiki/FmTunerHardware
14.59.47 #       <bilgus_ph> That should help you narrow down some of em
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15.07.52 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: i think the Sansas were the last ones to have any fm radio support
15.08.15 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: FM radio has largely disappeared.
15.09.06 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: probably the best choice is a Sansa or one of the HDD players that still has the FM Radio
15.09.36 #       <braewoods> I've had my eye on the Gigabeat S lately. It's taking awhile but I'll get it finished up eventually.
15.09.41 #       <braewoods> The port is mostly done.
15.09.50 #       <braewoods> It's a bit rare but not super rar.e
15.10.04 #       <braewoods> I've repaired 4 gigabeat S units I found on ebay with some patience.
15.10.40 #       <braewoods> there's like 2-3 of them up for sale right now but at high prices
15.11.31 #       <paulcarroty> bilgus_ph, braewoods, big thx for the info
15.12.31 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: you may want to get one that supports RDS.
15.12.36 #       <braewoods> if you care that much about it
15.12.48 #       <braewoods> there's like 4-5 ports that support RDS
15.13.00 #       <braewoods> gigabeat S is one
15.13.05 #       <braewoods> some of the ipods allegedly support it
15.13.12 #       <braewoods> a few Sansas do (fuze+ at least)
15.13.46 #       <braewoods> gigabeat S is a very well rounded piece of hardware for its era
15.23.43 #       <paulcarroty> gigabeat S looks great, $100+ on ebay is overpriced
15.26.24 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: indeed.
15.26.30 #       <braewoods> i snagged some for less.
15.26.38 #       <braewoods> they come up every now and then.
15.26.59 #       <braewoods> I've got 3 still in my inventory.
15.27.03 #       <braewoods> fully repaired / upgraded
15.27.21 #       <braewoods> they're pretty easy to work on
15.27.50 #       <braewoods> only real negative i know of is they'll disappoint people that want more than 128GB of storage
15.27.51 #       <paulcarroty> well, you can sell them for good money then :)
15.27.58 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: doubtful. LOL
15.30.12 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: what's your use case?
15.30.19 #       <braewoods> just radio on the go?
15.32.24 #       <paulcarroty> wanna make a gift for a person - huge radio & audiobooks fan 
15.33.18 #       <braewoods> I see. Do you need raw performance? There's a fair number of ports that are good enough but not very fast for much else.
15.34.03 #       <braewoods> hm.
15.35.07 #       <braewoods> i personally don't like the Sansas due to how hard it is to replace the batteries in them, something important to do if you're rebuilding old stuff
15.35.30 #       <braewoods> the one exception i recall is the C200s and a few others that have an easily removed battery pack
15.36.34 #       <paulcarroty> I don't think raw performance needed in my case
15.37.04 #       <braewoods> storage?
15.37.52 #       <braewoods> I've owned the iriver H100 and H300 families. They're decent and not too rare. There's no known upper limit on upgrades provided you can find compatible storage.
15.38.21 #       <paulcarroty> 64gb+ sdcard support will be great
15.38.50 #       <braewoods> eh, you're only going to find that in Sansas. the HDD units are upgradeable but it's all internal.
15.39.31 #       <braewoods> the H100, H300, H10 (20GB) irivers are all compatible with the same internal battery 
15.39.39 #       <braewoods> max out around 2200 mah
15.39.44 #       <braewoods> which is a lot for rockbox
15.40.34 #       <braewoods> the irivers only have basic FM radio
15.41.08 #       <braewoods> Hm.
15.42.59 #       <paulcarroty> basic means without RDS?
15.43.03 #       <braewoods> yes
15.43.20 #       <braewoods> RDS is limited to a handful of options
15.43.54 #       <braewoods> probably best bet is to rebuild an ipod if you can find one at a fair price
15.44.10 #       <braewoods> you can buy replacement shells in some cases to repair cosmetic damage
15.44.25 #       <braewoods> most ipods i see are HEAVILY scratched
15.45.00 #       <braewoods> but those are usually pricey
15.45.47 #       <_bilgus> thr RDS on my clipzip does better than the car built later
15.46.10 #       <_bilgus> and clip+ and zip are easy to replace batteries
15.46.29 #       <braewoods> don't you have to desolder the batteries?
15.46.38 #       <_bilgus> yes
15.47.05 #       <paulcarroty> a lot of players on ebay are scratched. don't think I'm skilled enough for ipod storage upgrade.
15.47.08 #       <braewoods> and that still won't help with the flash writes of death
15.47.15 #       <_bilgus> tis true
15.48.01 #       <_bilgus> tbh I think its less likely than it appears its just people keep them for a v. long time
15.48.29 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: well i still have the units i rebuilt for my collection. more than I'll ever use. you want to see them?
15.49.18 #       <braewoods> they're lightly scratched but good condition for their age
15.51.22 #       <paulcarroty> braewoods: no, I'm currently looking for sansas & iriver maybe. you should open the store, man.
15.52.55 #       <braewoods> lol
15.53.03 #       <braewoods> ok
15.54.58 #       <paulcarroty> how many devices do you have? guess >>>10
15.55.24 #       <braewoods> not that many but a fair number. i contribute to rockbox so i kinda need them for that purpose.
15.55.34 #       <braewoods> but i don't mind selling my spares.
15.56.03 #       <braewoods> i have one iriver h120, 4 gigabeat S units 3 of which are repaired fully.
15.56.23 #       <braewoods> two iriver h10s (fat vs skinny)
15.56.48 #       <braewoods> sansa fuze+
15.56.52 #       <braewoods> that's it
15.57.10 #       <braewoods> oh, i guess technically i also own a very rare mpio hd300
15.57.20 #       <braewoods> it took me 6 months just to find that one
15.57.40 #       <braewoods> i'm currently working on the battery replacement
15.57.47 #       <braewoods> it's so rare that the battery is a bit of a nuisance
15.58.10 #       <braewoods> i basically have to crimp my own battery terminals for it :D
15.59.10 #       <braewoods> seems the iriver h120s have become scarce on ebay
15.59.15 #       <braewoods> i remember seeing 6+ at any given time
16.00.32 #       <braewoods> some of these listings are nuts though
16.02.02 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: Europe I presume?
16.02.22 #       <paulcarroty> yeah
16.02.34 #       <braewoods> seems we get a lot of visitors.
16.03.35 #       <paulcarroty> that's great, smartphones not killed the niche completely yet
16.06.26 #       <paulcarroty> hah, the iriver h120 ebay query returns only batteries
16.06.34 #       <braewoods> yea
16.06.39 #       <braewoods> it's completely dry right now
16.06.49 #       <braewoods> even under the other model names
16.06.53 #       <braewoods> it also goes under
16.06.55 #       <braewoods> h140
16.06.57 #       <braewoods> ihp-120
16.06.59 #       <braewoods> ihp-140
16.09.03 #       <paulcarroty> wish rockbox have support for cheap modern $20-30 players like agptek with 128GB+ sd cards
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16.09.17 #       <braewoods> you know why they don't?
16.09.49 #       <braewoods> those are usually cheap ass ASICs, mass produced garbage that can't run a custom firmware
16.10.05 #       <braewoods> there's just  not enough RAM
16.10.13 #       <speachy> oh they _can_ run custom firmware, they just don't have enough resources to run something as feature-rich as rockbox
16.10.43 #       <braewoods> speachy: wasn't the real problem that they rely on the hardware too much which we can't really work with?
16.10.45 #       <speachy> even the most featureful ones have less than 1MB of RAM.
16.11.18 #       <speachy> plus unobtanium datasheet/specs/docs and maybe toolchains too
16.13.08 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: this looks pretty good
16.13.10 #       <braewoods> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334111376934
16.13.50 #       <braewoods> the c200 series is old but it does have sd card support
16.14.18 #       <braewoods> provided you find one that still works, you can still find replacement batteries that are easy to replace
16.14.26 #       <braewoods> of course no RDS
16.14.52 #       <braewoods> but it's the best choice i can think of for someone that doesn't feel comfortable with disassembling more difficult stuff
16.15.25 #       <braewoods> and let's face it, most rockbox stuff probably requires someone to perform maintenance to make them viable again
16.15.30 #       <braewoods> given the age
16.16.19 #       <braewoods> e.g., https://www.newpower99.com/Battery_for_SanDisk_Sansa_Clip_C240_p/sandisk%20sansa%20c240.htm
16.17.18 #       <paulcarroty> braewoods: bookmarked
16.17.39 #       <braewoods> if you do go for Sansa anything, be sure to immediately switch to using multiboot
16.17.40 #       <yang> paulcarroty: if you are looking for a new modern player without FM radio, I recently bought fiio m3k.
16.17.45 #       <braewoods> so you don't wear down the flash any more
16.18.09 #       <braewoods> that's the one thing you can't really repair on these
16.18.11 #       <braewoods> to my knowledge
16.18.19 #       <braewoods> the internal flash chips
16.19.10 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: wait... this is a gift for someone in Europe?
16.19.11 #       <yang> braewoods: I figured out that the supported players will be very hard find on the local flea market
16.19.20 #       <braewoods> yang: you might get lucky
16.19.23 #       * braewoods shrugs.
16.19.40 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: didn't Europe replace FM radio with DAB?
16.19.44 #       <yang> braewoods: I have the list of supported players with me
16.20.13 #       <yang> paulcarroty: in some countries it's been replaced, and it works in dual mode FM + DAB+
16.20.16 #       <paulcarroty> braewoods: yeap, but I can buy in USA with mail forwarding.
16.20.29 #       <paulcarroty> DAB working in Denmark right now
16.20.31 #       <yang> FM has only been eliminated in norway and switzerland I think
16.20.48 #       <braewoods> ok, just asking because if there's no FM stations in their area, support for it is moot
16.20.54 #       <paulcarroty> heard about Norway too
16.22.05 #       <yang> they sold me a car with FM radio :/
16.22.56 #       <yang> I should of asked earlier if I can get DAB+
16.23.03 #       <braewoods> oddly enough the only smartphone i know of still supporting FM is the moto g4 play
16.23.46 #       <yang> I have a "dumb"phone which doesn't have a touchscreen with FM radio, Alcatel
16.24.25 #       <braewoods> Woah.
16.24.47 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: guess what?
16.24.47 #       <yang> I am not sure about the status of Android phones and FM radios, I think some have this feature
16.24.49 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: https://www.ebay.com/itm/304105508945
16.25.01 #       <paulcarroty> well, you can install Linux on moto g4 play :)
16.25.05 #       <braewoods> showed up today
16.25.06 #       <yang> Android phones with FM radios
16.25.17 #       <braewoods> though
16.25.19 #       <braewoods> wow
16.25.20 #       <yang> paulcarroty: OpenEZX ?
16.25.22 #       <braewoods> that thing has seen better days
16.25.31 #       <braewoods> the ones i bought are in better condition
16.25.43 #       <paulcarroty> yang: postmarketos
16.27.13 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: if you do decide to try to repair a gigabeat S, let me know. i've done it several times; it's actually one of the easier ones to repair and service.
16.27.31 #       <braewoods> remove 5 screws...
16.27.36 #       <braewoods> slide the back off slowly
16.27.43 #       <braewoods> release a ribbon cable
16.27.59 #       <braewoods> and then the back cover comes off to expose the hard drive
16.28.53 #       <braewoods> unscrew a support
16.29.07 #       <braewoods> release the HDD ribbon cable
16.29.18 #       <braewoods> remove that, the battery is now visible
16.29.36 #       <braewoods> unscrew the bottom part for the micro usb port
16.29.40 #       <braewoods> release
16.29.43 #       <braewoods> now battery can be removed
16.29.47 #       <braewoods> :)
16.30.03 #       <braewoods> pretty easy and hard to screw up in my experience
16.30.31 #       <braewoods> though the only upgrade drive i've ever found was 1.8" zif SSDs
16.30.41 #       <braewoods> those aren't price competitive
16.30.51 #       <braewoods> they work
16.30.58 #       <braewoods> just a quirk of the gigabeat S limits compatibility
16.32.04 #       <paulcarroty> cool, but display is scratched too much, finding new one can be problematic
16.32.32 #       <braewoods> indeed. the ones i have are in much better condition.
16.32.56 #       <braewoods> i got a few for $30-50, put around $120 in repair parts in them.
16.33.27 #       <braewoods> the batteries for them are like $20 but have to be imported
16.33.32 #       <braewoods> so that took a long time
16.33.34 #       <braewoods> :P
16.34.02 #       <paulcarroty> found this philips go gear for $10: https://im7.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-7-e2cef47e4ea1.png , any chance this is supported model?
16.34.29 #       <braewoods> it probably is.
16.34.32 #       <braewoods> what model?
16.34.48 #       <braewoods> are there more photos?
16.35.34 #       <paulcarroty> no more photos sadly
16.35.55 #       <paulcarroty> hey, it looks like SA9200 https://www.amazon.com/Philips-SA9200-17-GoGear-Super-Slim/dp/B000H1ZYMQ
16.36.07 #       <braewoods> it is the sa9200
16.36.10 #       <braewoods> but it's very limited
16.36.14 #       <braewoods> 2GB no more
16.36.54 #       <paulcarroty> (:
16.37.38 #       <braewoods> i've tried most of the HDD units
16.37.44 #       <braewoods> the ones i've mentioned have the fewest issues
16.38.05 #       <braewoods> the gogears are poorly constructed; prone to breakage during disassembly
16.48.06 #       <braewoods> ah the samsung YH models
16.48.16 #       <braewoods> what turds. their HDD connector is hard to keep connected.
16.48.44 #       <braewoods> if that could be addressed they'd work just fine i believe
16.50.52 #       <braewoods> the gigabeat Fs are a viable option too but... their own problems.
16.51.14 #       <braewoods> their IO parts are prone to breakage. i don't know how to remove them safely. :|
16.51.21 #       <braewoods> really flimsy clips
16.52.23 #       <braewoods> Oh, the cowons. I forgot about these.
16.52.33 #       <braewoods> They're pretty rare but comparable to the iriver H300/H100.
16.52.37 #       <braewoods> Same SoC.
16.55.08 #       <braewoods> sheesh. it's like all the rockbox stuff is WAY overpriced.
17.01.49 #       <paulcarroty> $60+
17.01.50 #       <paulcarroty> yeah
17.03.23 #       <braewoods> https://www.ebay.com/itm/114886115966
17.03.31 #       <braewoods> this was one of the gigabeats i bought
17.03.56 #       <braewoods> it just needed a new battery
17.05.39 #       <braewoods> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353514111079
17.05.42 #       <braewoods> this was another
17.05.52 #       <braewoods> a really lucky find that one
17.06.11 #       <braewoods> bad storage and battery
17.14.38 #       <braewoods> funny enough you'd be better off buying one of the ones I repaired vs these overpriced ebay ones which have had no work done on them. :D
17.17.56 #       <braewoods> ok.. for the record, according to the rockbox source... these have RDS...
17.18.09 #       <braewoods> gigabeat S, sansa fuze+, sansa clip zip
17.18.36 #       <braewoods> samsung ypr0/ypr1
17.19.11 #       <braewoods> ipod 4g/6g, mini 1g/2g, nano 1g/2g, video, color
17.29.17 #       <braewoods> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224559850802
17.29.32 #       <braewoods> surprising good condition. looks like someone replaced the shell and all.
17.31.45 #       <braewoods> paulcarroty: good luck. keep in mind you might be able to find a seller here too. bluebrother^ introduced me to the gigabeat S which is why i ended up with so many. :P
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18.09.49 #       <cela> NWZ-E370 and E380 series has an FM radio and RDS but the port was not completed in Rockbox, it does work in the OF though.
18.11.31 #       <cela> I mean the Rockbox port is fully working but the FM radio isn't in Rockbox.
18.12.41 #       <cela> Sony NWZ-E370 and E380 series are quite easy to find, and battery is easy to swap.
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