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09.19.17 #       <speachy> petur: Did you fix your buildclient's SDL issues?
09.19.46 #       <petur> probably not, please tell me what needs to be done
09.22.56 #       <speachy> basically try to build a simulator or even checkwps target
09.23.36 #       <speachy> (manually, I mean)
09.24.00 #       <speachy> IIRC your builder wasn't even making it through the configure script successfully
09.24.22 #       <petur> I'll check... 
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11.50.57 #       <petur> speachy: fixed SDL and rebuild the other toolchains as they were outdated, it's up and ready now. Also changed clientname, assuming that doesn't matter?
12.08.09 #       <speachy> petur: thanks!  since you changed the client name there's no need to unblock you, but I'll do it later today
12.09.27 #       <petur> ah it looked like it connected already so the block is name-based. You can remove the old name... I'll keep an eye on it when a new commit comes
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15.30.51 #       <amachronic> is it possible to push tags to the main repo through gerrit?
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17.46.20 #       <speachy> amachronic:  in a word, yes -- but I think it's only enabled for folks in the "release committers" group
17.49.56 #       <speachy> ...of which you are now a member of
17.50.12 #       <speachy> (the only difference is the power to create/push tags)
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19.22.27 #       <amachronic> speachy: thanks, I just wanted to tag the bootloader releases
19.22.38 #       <amachronic> (something I should've done a while ago)
19.32.43 #       <amachronic> ok, let's see if it works
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19.46.53 #       <amachronic> .. and there they are.
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22.30.20 #       <annoying_questio> Anyone here?
22.32.06 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: nope, we're all just part of an elaborate hallucination :P
22.32.36 #       <annoying_questio> 😁 my favorite!
22.33.09 #       <annoying_questio> Then my dear hallucinations, you will give me good answers to my question!
22.34.00 #       <annoying_questio> I'm sure it's asked a million times but I'm having a hard time pining down the answer
22.34.13 #       <braewoods> did you try using staples? :P
22.34.43 #       <annoying_questio> I smashed my head repeatedly into the screen...
22.34.56 #       <annoying_questio> <drumroll>
22.35.55 #       <annoying_questio> Are there any available-to-purchase-that-dont-cost-a-small-fortune mp3 players that support rockbox
22.35.59 #       <annoying_questio> ?
22.36.19 #       <braewoods> so, brand new stuff?
22.36.30 #       <annoying_questio> My Sansa clip....(the third) kinda ...melted...
22.36.50 #       <annoying_questio> Yes. Even if it's not fully supported...
22.37.27 #       <braewoods> if i'm being frank, not really. the supplies are short. speachy knows the modern front better. i mostly have focused on older hardware that can be modified to still be relevant.
22.37.48 #       <braewoods> if there's anything really, speachy would know.
22.38.24 #       <annoying_questio> Is there anything used that doesn't cost a fortune? A used clip costs several hu ndreddollars
22.38.50 #       <braewoods> depends what you're looking for
22.39.15 #       <braewoods> i know a fair number of choices
22.39.24 #       <braewoods> but most of 'em are bigger than the sansa
22.39.26 #       <braewoods> clip
22.39.29 #       <annoying_questio> Plays files. Reads txt. Lua scripts. SD card.
22.39.53 #       <annoying_questio> Size isn't so important. I have big pockets. Just empty ones.
22.40.15 #       <braewoods> ebay is probably your best option if you're willing to wait until some stuff shows up
22.40.32 #       <braewoods> xduoo x3 is newer than the clip+, aluminum shell
22.40.38 #       <braewoods> 2x micro sd card slots
22.40.43 #       <braewoods> no internal storage for stuff
22.41.00 #       <braewoods> it pops up sometimes on ebay still
22.41.05 #       <braewoods> i have 2 of them
22.41.36 #       <braewoods> i think it's speachy's daily driver still
22.41.45 #       <braewoods> it kinda resembles a bar phone
22.41.59 #       <braewoods> very simple screen, oled monochrome
22.42.38 #       <annoying_questio> I've been hunting. But it's still usually over a hundred dollars. right?
22.42.48 #       <braewoods> actually less than 100 usd typically
22.42.50 #       <braewoods> more like 70.
22.42.55 #       <braewoods> when i've seen it.
22.43.47 #       <braewoods> good grief, are these people mad?
22.43.54 #       <braewoods> over 100 for the iriver h120?
22.44.28 #       <annoying_questio> Umm...short answer...yes...utterly crazy!
22.44.30 #       <braewoods> the coldfire iriver stuff is OK. no sd card.
22.44.37 #       <braewoods> if you can find one at a decent price.
22.44.50 #       <braewoods> the internal storage is upgradeable to unknown upper limits.
22.45.06 #       <braewoods> it's fairly fast, around 13MB/s with CF cards that are any good
22.46.09 #       <braewoods> hm
22.46.11 #       <annoying_questio> Hmm...
22.46.35 #       <braewoods> https://www.ebay.com/itm/304234191125
22.46.38 #       <annoying_questio> I don't see any. But anyways I kinda need sd.
22.46.40 #       <braewoods> i saw this when i was browing a moment ago.
22.46.58 #       <braewoods> i think it's the older agptek rocker
22.47.02 #       <braewoods> i usually forget about these
22.47.07 #       <braewoods> because they've become so rare
22.48.05 #       <annoying_questio> Still like $100 :-(
22.48.28 #       <braewoods> let me see what else i can find
22.49.36 #       <annoying_questio> Is there anything I can do to expand the rockbox market?
22.50.34 #       <braewoods> there's only one way to do that really. port rockbox to hardware with more availability but that's a hard ask.
22.51.14 #       <braewoods> let me think a moment.
22.51.53 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: how much space do you expect to need?
22.52.23 #       <annoying_questio> Not much if it has sd.
22.52.50 #       <braewoods> you can look at some other older Sansas... to be honest it's mostly Sansas or a few newer ports that use sd cards
22.53.06 #       <braewoods> https://www.ebay.com/itm/194512063503?
22.53.13 #       <braewoods> the e200 series doesn't seem super popular
22.55.00 #       <braewoods> iirc, the e200 and c200 series have easily replaced batteries as well
22.55.12 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: what happened to your clip+ anyway?
22.56.27 #       <annoying_questio> It literally kind melted. I wrote a Lua program for spreadsheets
22.56.36 #       <braewoods> overheated?
22.57.04 #       <annoying_questio> Yes. But to the point that it burned me
22.57.22 #       <braewoods> mmm
22.57.27 #       <annoying_questio> I assume it didn't like my coding skills
22.57.30 #       <braewoods> you may want to try something more powerful then
22.57.42 #       <braewoods> those things are pretty underpowered
22.58.08 #       <braewoods> fiio m3k is a port i've seen tossed around a lot
22.58.14 #       <braewoods> it's our fastest port to date
22.58.18 #       <braewoods> aside from
22.58.21 #       <braewoods> hosted builds
22.58.24 #       <braewoods> on PCs
22.58.25 #       <braewoods> LOL
22.59.04 #       <braewoods> m3k was originaly around 60
22.59.09 #       <braewoods> but it's become harder to find
22.59.27 #       <annoying_questio> Looks like I can get one for $65
23.00.42 #       <annoying_questio> Oh! Not working! :-(
23.00.49 #       <braewoods> what isn't?
23.00.59 #       <braewoods> oh
23.01.01 #       <braewoods> i see
23.01.23 #       <braewoods> what market are you in?
23.01.29 #       <braewoods> might help with locating sellers
23.01.40 #       <braewoods> geographically anyway
23.03.46 #       <braewoods> given your host mask i'd guess US market. comcast is mainly US ISP last I heard
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23.06.48 #       <braewoods> ok... i was going to see if i could sell them one of my overstock units
23.06.50 #       <braewoods> lol
23.07.11 #       <braewoods> oh well they left
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23.10.01 #       <annoying_questio> Umm... What happened?
23.10.34 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: it said connection closed. i assumed you left by choice.
23.10.56 #       <braewoods> check the log to see what i last said.
23.10.59 #       <annoying_questio> No. Maybe bad connection. We got snow!
23.11.04 #       <braewoods> https://www.rockbox.org/irc
23.12.19 #       <annoying_questio> Could be the weather? We have snow?
23.12.25 #       <braewoods> no idea
23.12.39 #       <annoying_questio> You have a unit? Which? How much?
23.13.21 #       <braewoods> I have one iriver H120 left. I'm not using it anymore; I mainly purchased it for development of the new bootloader release last year.
23.13.55 #       <braewoods> It's been modded to use a CF card.
23.14.01 #       <braewoods> 64GB is currently installed.
23.14.12 #       <braewoods> no sd card due to the age
23.14.30 #       <braewoods> it's in great condition all things considered
23.14.37 #       <braewoods> not super fast
23.14.39 #       <braewoods> though
23.14.45 #       <braewoods> good enough for music playback
23.15.01 #       <braewoods> like 120 mhz 68k cpu
23.16.16 #       <annoying_questio> Doesn't sound like it'll work for me
23.16.23 #       <annoying_questio> :-(
23.16.26 #       <braewoods> why do you need sd cards?
23.16.31 #       <annoying_questio> Thanks though
23.16.36 #       <braewoods> you need to remove cards on the fly?
23.16.44 #       <annoying_questio> Yes
23.16.55 #       <braewoods> well
23.17.14 #       <braewoods> i do have one spare xduoo x3
23.17.17 #       <_bilgus> elua runs on esp platform
23.17.33 #       <braewoods> it has 2 micro sd card slots
23.17.42 #       <_bilgus> put a sd reader and screen on it does it need to be covert?
23.17.55 #       <annoying_questio> No
23.18.23 #       <annoying_questio> I'll be back soon
23.18.26 #       <_bilgus> the x3 is a nice unit but
23.18.33 #       <_bilgus> monochrome
23.18.37 #       <braewoods> ok
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23.22.44 #       <_bilgus> melted down sounds like a liion issue to me
23.23.16 #       <braewoods> _bilgus: given what they told us, i suspect the xduoo x3 is the only option due to dual sd cards. if you use rockbox with multiboot on Sansa you can't just hotplug sd cards.
23.23.21 #       <_bilgus> the battery is the heatsink on those units
23.24.38 #       <_bilgus> I think you can if you swap while lua is running
23.24.54 #       <_bilgus> its all in ram then switch back before exit
23.24.59 #       <braewoods> maybe, i just assume it would be no buena
23.25.46 #       <_bilgus> it takes longer than I like even while music is playing to realize your sd card went flying
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23.26.55 #       <_bilgus> but yeah good point it would be perfect for the use case
23.27.14 #       <_bilgus> hopefully the metal heatsinks it was well
23.27.20 #       <_bilgus> as*
23.27.38 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: i think the only option is the xduoo x3 assuming you can live with its other features
23.28.03 #       <braewoods> it has a green monochrome screen
23.28.18 #       <braewoods> 2x micro sd cards so you can swap one out
23.28.30 #       <braewoods> i do have one i bought earlier in the year
23.29.26 #       <annoying_questio> I can deal with the screen
23.29.38 #       <annoying_questio> How much do they run?
23.29.53 #       <braewoods> let's see, they don't show up too often
23.30.25 #       <braewoods> last one sold in early october ish
23.30.45 #       <braewoods> oh lmao
23.30.48 #       <braewoods> it's the one i bought
23.32.00 #       <braewoods> i got busy with my battery projects and forgot to come back to it
23.32.15 #       <_bilgus> id say $100 is a fair price
23.32.35 #       <_bilgus> new
23.32.42 #       <braewoods> realistically they often pop up for like 60-80 used
23.32.46 #       <braewoods> when they do
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23.33.13 #       <braewoods> good thing for that web log
23.33.26 #       <_bilgus> I have one I traded speachy for a new clip zip
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23.35.28 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: i assume these random sd cards won't have rockbox installed?
23.35.30 #       <braewoods> on them
23.36.00 #       <braewoods> the main issue here is
23.36.09 #       <annoying_questio> They could if I put it ther
23.36.12 #       <braewoods> many rockbox devices with sd cards are single card only
23.36.22 #       <braewoods> and they must have rockbox installed on them
23.36.30 #       <braewoods> if you want to swap safely  you have to shutdown first
23.36.41 #       <braewoods> afaik rockbox only supports hotswap if it's not booted from the sd crd
23.36.43 #       <braewoods> card
23.37.31 #       <braewoods> does that make sense?
23.37.45 #       <braewoods> this is also true of Sansas if you're using a modern bootloader with multiboot
23.37.56 #       <braewoods> it boots from SD card to extend the lifespan of your player's internal flash
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23.39.58 #       <_bilgus> old cell phones have sd slot
23.40.07 #       <_bilgus> i bet a few can run lua
23.40.20 #       <braewoods> that too but they came here so i assumed they wanted a rockbox answer
23.40.35 #       <_bilgus> giving multiple..
23.40.59 #       <_bilgus> I wonder if a really old android phone could still run the port
23.41.11 #       <braewoods> no diea
23.41.12 #       <braewoods> idea
23.41.14 #       <braewoods> rofl
23.41.28 #       <_bilgus> maybe annoying q will become the android saviour
23.41.36 #       <braewoods> rofl
23.42.20 #       <braewoods> _bilgus: do you use bench power supplies?
23.42.26 #       <_bilgus> i'm pleased they used the lua port to data process but i bet the screen made that stuff terribly small
23.42.40 #       <_bilgus> I have 2 but they are in storage
23.42.43 #       <braewoods> ah
23.43.01 #       <braewoods> i was considering getting one since i have none and could use one for random projects some of the time
23.43.13 #       <braewoods> there's some really tiny ones compared to the larger ones like the toolkitrc P200
23.43.25 #       <braewoods> https://www.toolkitrc.com/P200
23.43.53 #       <braewoods> only sacrifice i can tell is it limits how much total power it can output
23.46.00 #       <braewoods> mostly battery related stuff since you need very fine grained CV for that
23.46.46 #       <_bilgus> being that its usually a fixed set of ranges maybe a set of dedicated boards would be better
23.47.07 #       <_bilgus> then have a pot on it and allow .5v range or so
23.47.33 #       <_bilgus> and for the prices they could probably already have a lcd for voltage on it
23.48.13 #       <braewoods> wouldn't that still need a power source such a AC-DC converter?
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23.48.50 #       <_bilgus> yeah a wall wart to get you down to the range likely
23.49.09 #       <braewoods> in any case the main use case i have for now is using one to top balance a lifepo4 cell pack i'm working on
23.49.14 #       <_bilgus> 12v seems a likely target
23.49.37 #       <annoying_questio> Sounds like it would have helped my clip
23.49.56 #       <braewoods> annoying_questio: yea, provided you can live with the swap limitation
23.50.03 #       <_bilgus> annoying_questio, i think you likely fried your lipo with the heat of the cpu
23.51.53 #       <braewoods> if you must swap to sd cards that have not been specially prepped before hand
23.51.57 #       <annoying_questio> Yes I cold deal with that...
23.51.59 #       <braewoods> xduoo x3 is the only real option
23.52.05 #       <braewoods> otherwise you have more choices
23.52.32 #       <braewoods> probably best to look at the available Sansa devices
23.52.40 #       <braewoods> the other micro sd stuff is newer but far rarer
23.52.52 #       <braewoods> some Sansa stuff is still reasonably priced
23.54.15 #       <braewoods> the e200 and c200 seems pretty sane still
23.54.17 #       <braewoods> but older stuff
23.54.23 #       <braewoods> swappable battery
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