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Join PaulFertser [0] (paul@paulfertser.info) 16.39.39 # oh, run 16.40.00 # i seem to remember some platform with a few hundred K of ram being mentioned but it could be that's one of the archoses or something 16.41.22 # the archoses had 2MB of RAM too. 16.41.46 # these few-hundred-kb-of-RAM platforms are what the current crop of shovelware mp3 players are built on. 16.42.05 # (rockchip nano, atj2127, etc) 16.46.48 Quit tchan (Quit: WeeChat 3.3) 16.51.03 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@c-98-206-141-238.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17.04.27 Quit tchan (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.14.31 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@c-98-206-141-238.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17.40.23 # which rockbox could probably run on it if we stripped down heavily 17.40.33 # but then it wouldn't really be rockbox anymore 17.41.50 # (assuming we even had the docs to utilize the hw codec engines) 17.42.51 # we'd lose things like meaningful themes, accessibility (no more voiced menus etc), nearly all plugins, less mainstream codecs, etc 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appropriate 18.32.14 # those naturally need way more RAM 18.32.20 # naw, webcam. 18.32.45 # eg the allwinner v3/v3s (as seen in the pinecube) 18.33.26 # 128/64MB on-package with a 1.2GHz Cortex-A7 18.33.30 # i know you're opposed to touchscreens but 18.33.41 # that's probably the perfect SoC for what we care about 18.33.54 # couldn't we adapt rockbox to one somehow or other? 18.33.58 # plus its onboard audio codec is decent enough too. not sure if a router soc would even have onboard audio as an option 18.34.05 # probably not 18.34.09 # but USB is an option 18.34.15 # some even support pcie 18.34.31 # that's way, way too expensive to integrate 18.34.45 # (not to mention pcie isn't exactly battery friendly) 18.34.46 # oh, so you want everything to be on the SoC? 18.35.25 # more integration means smaller pcbs and BoMs 18.36.49 # the on-package DRAM is another _huge_ benefit. stuff with stacked package-on-package is also good to have but more costly (and >32MB of RAM really is wasted) 18.37.18 # https://linuxgizmos.com/linux-driven-sbc-costs-6-or-8-with-wifi/ 18.37.50 # but the pcb etc is the cheap part 18.38.16 # easy to prototype and build in small quantities 18.38.46 # the case is not; 3d printers can do the trick for prototyping but any volume requires large upfront tooling costs 18.39.18 # (and even in small volumes 3d priting is s..l..o..w.. and expensive) 18.47.36 Quit JanC (Remote host closed the connection) 18.47.53 Join JanC [0] (~janc@user/janc) 18.53.43 # braewoods: some of the high-end STM32 parts have (barely) enough on-chip SRAM but most of the higher-pincount versions across the model line support external DRAM 18.54.54 # but the pricing _really_ doesn't make sense. as in it would be cheaper to just buy RPi Zeros at retail and stack them onto a secondary PCB. 18.55.25 # (and it would likely be more compact too!) 19.00.04 Quit PaulFertser (*.net *.split) 19.00.04 Quit yosafbridge (*.net *.split) 19.00.04 Quit rasher (*.net *.split) 19.00.05 Quit 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Join reductum [0] (~reductum@2603-8000-b400-8764-dea6-32ff-fe16-a622.res6.spectrum.com) 19.05.14 Join gsora [0] (~gsora@140.238.174.213) 19.05.14 Join spork [0] (topic@31-151-2-135.dynamic.upc.nl) 19.06.14 # speachy: i see 19.06.30 # speachy: not to mention the pi zeros often come with wifi 19.06.44 # and their hdmi could be used to drive a screen 19.21.02 # The HDMI isn't amazingly suited for that but the GPIO pins can be used to drive small OLED screens of the sort you'd expect to see on a player 19.22.12 # something like this https://community.element14.com/products/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi_projects/b/blog/posts/raspberry-pi-zero-internet-connected-information-display 21.05.11 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 21.13.34 # yeah, a native hdmi screen would be (1) large and (2) very power-hungry. Instead we'd want a small SPI-connected display, or (on larger-form-factor RPis) a DSI-connected screen, that way we can use the onboard GPU/framebuffer 21.14.49 # building something on top of an rpi would make for an interesting proof-of-concept but a crappy product. :/ 21.15.03 # but more useful than wifi on the zero-w is bluetooth. 21.19.36 # but the pi zero can be reduced down to about 400mW when completely idle (hdmi disabled) going up to about 1W when loaded down, with no external peripherals 21.20.36 # that still seems like... a lot 21.21.07 # yeah. 21.21.38 # it's not built for power efficiency. the zero 2 W is actually thirstier but gives a lot more oomph for the power. 21.24.05 # granted we'd be closer to the idle side than the loaded down side (display and UI is off most of the time, after all) but there's not a lot we can do to shrink down power consumption (IIRC by default dynamic clocking is enabled) 21.30.04 # I have a couple of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08LBKNWX4?tag=huynhnguyen-20 21.30.13 # but this is about he same functionality: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183792149332 21.33.21 Join Retr0id2 [0] (~Retr0id@user/retr0id) 21.33.29 Quit Retr0id (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.33.30 Nick Retr0id2 is now known as Retr0id (~Retr0id@user/retr0id) 21.46.57 Join dys [0] (~dys@user/dys) 21.48.04 Quit cockroach (Quit: leaving) 22.31.01 Quit Romster (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.33.47 Join Romster [0] (~romster@user/romster) 23.05.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"