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08.31.21 #       <speachy> looks like bluebot is MIA, so as a heads-up, the re-adding of mpegplayer is currently building.  
08.31.42 #       <speachy> I'm not terribly happy about it, but such is life. :)
08.33.17 #       <speachy> othello7: you should be good to rebase against git master now
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09.03.12 #       <spork> next time you want a discussion, you know the approach
09.12.52 #       <spork> it is also a great way to notice how many people still use a feature and rockbox in general
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09.52.09 #       <speachy> there's not much desire to nuke (working) features in general
09.53.37 #       <spork> no, but other than downloads it is hard to guess how popular/relevant a software project is
09.53.59 #       <speachy> we don't even have that.  :)
09.54.50 #       <spork> or even features
09.55.08 #       <speachy> So on average mpegplayer is a 1.7K bump in core image size, ranging from ~300B to over 3KB.
10.01.51 #       <speachy> it would be interesting though, adding some sort of analytics.
10.02.48 #       <speachy> eg keep counters of every time a plugin is launched, along with our uptime, codec, players, etc.  have rbutil collect and upload them.  
10.03.11 #       <speachy> unfortuantely rbutil is probably only ever used once, if ever...
10.03.16 #       <speachy> no itunes-like lockin
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11.29.33 #       <amachronic> speachy: to my surprise I successfully built a freestanding mips C++ toolchain with GCC 12.
11.30.34 #       <amachronic> the options I used are here -> https://gist.github.com/amachronic/31222be96330f85362751c3ee844b23b
11.30.59 #       <amachronic> this does not work on GCC 8 though, I already tried.
11.36.05 #       <speachy> ah, thanks for that!  glad to hear it's been fixed upstream. Maybe I should have been more ambitious..
11.40.26 #       <amachronic> sticking with GCC 8 is probably ok for now
11.40.54 #       <amachronic> c++ is still unusable because the rb headers do a lot of things that isn't legal in C++
11.40.58 #       <speachy> The odds of any c++ we'd want to use working in a pure freestanding environment are slim
11.41.22 #       <amachronic> just try turning on -Wc++-compat...
11.41.38 #       <speachy> we already have C++ support turned on in our hosted toolchains fwiw.
11.41.51 #       <speachy> ... so I guess we should start cleaning up our headers.    :)
11.42.19 #       <amachronic> that'll consume the next 2 years until we update to GCC 12  ;)
11.43.20 #       <amachronic> and yeah, we are definitely going to need to port a hosted c++ stdlib to rockbox for it to be of any use.
11.45.51 #       <speachy> what does (eg) arm's mbed use?  
11.47.54 #       <amachronic> not sure.
11.50.33 #       <amachronic> "modern c++" is probably nightmarish on a microcontroller.
11.51.41 #       <speachy> heh, less so than "older c++"  :D
11.52.01 #       <amachronic> yeah, there are some newer stdlib features like polymorphic allocators that could be useful.
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17.54.18 #       <othello7> speachy: thanks! I just built latest. all this has reminded me about how great rockbox is and I'm probably gonna finish the dodgeblock rockbox port
17.56.13 #       <othello7> one of the issues I have is that I couldn't find a bigger monospace font. I saw how to change the font but all available fonts are not fixed-width. I was thinking I might just do what the N64 port does which is to use a spritemap font and just have that be different based on the screen resolution.
18.08.19 #       <braewoods> othello7: you need a bitmap monospace font? I know one that covers a large range of options.
18.08.57 #       <braewoods> Terminus, Fixed (the original font used in X11 even), and maybe other Linux console fonts.
18.09.50 #       <braewoods> Fixed had the most options that I recall. It might be possible to convert to a compatible format.
18.10.03 #       <braewoods> PCF fonts were the norm in the old days of X.
18.10.19 #       <braewoods> https://fontforge.org/docs/techref/pcf-format.html
18.11.25 #       <braewoods> I used to love Fixed back in the lower DPI days. These days  I prefer ttf and the like.
18.24.05 #       <othello7> oh neat. I did have the font from my N64 project but this looks nice. The question is, how would one use a custom font other than just using a spritemap?
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18.45.57 #       <braewoods> othello7: no idea, not an expert on fonts for embedded setups. I just suggested some older ones that might work out if you can convert them to a compatible data stream.
18.53.29 #       <speachy> IIRC we do have a monosppaced font, Terminus.  not a full set of sizes but it's there.
18.55.08 #       <speachy> it's also not installed by default but it part of the separate font pack
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23.40.20 #       <othello7> ah, I wonder how one would address that consistently from a plugin. also would it be possible to draw text in a manner in which it would be easy to change the color?