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| 00:24:37 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Looking at your recent changes to rbutil, why not put the manual name in the rbutil.ini file? |
| 00:24:48 | BigMac | Hey any linux users about? |
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| 00:25:39 | webguest87 | hi |
| 00:27:16 | saratoga | preglow: do we have any use for ffmpeg's buffered IO system? |
| 00:27:31 | saratoga | right now all reads are buffered by ffmpeg itself |
| 00:29:03 | pearldiver | http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/news/18076.html&prev=/language_tools |
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| 00:30:41 | webguest87 | how do i restart my ipod |
| 00:31:06 | linuxstb | Hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds |
| 00:31:17 | saratoga | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705 |
| 00:31:23 | webguest87 | but it doesnt really work |
| 00:31:24 | pearldiver | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fgenerationmp3.com%2Findex.php%2F2007%2F05%2F15%2F6255-adieu-cowon-iaudio-x5&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 |
| 00:31:30 | saratoga | linuxstb: about the bufferedio thing |
| 00:32:21 | webguest87 | What if my computer doesnt recognize my ipod after intalling rockbox? |
| 00:32:45 | saratoga | then you can reboot it in disk mode |
| 00:33:04 | linuxstb | saratoga: I've no idea what it is, but my guess would be that we wouldn't want it. |
| 00:33:15 | saratoga | sounds good |
| 00:34:13 | webguest87 | How do i enter disk mode? |
| 00:34:16 | BigMac | Can someone assist me in adding http://rafb.net/p/zxc3lA86.htmlto my path? |
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| 00:34:27 | BigMac | http://rafb.net/p/zxc3lA86.html to |
| 00:36:49 | linuxstb | BigMac: As root, type the following: echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sh-elf/bin:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 00:37:03 | linuxstb | Or just open up .bashrc in an editor and add that line. |
| 00:37:31 | BigMac | ok |
| 00:37:37 | linuxstb | webguest87: Hold SELECT+PLAY as your ipod reboots |
| 00:37:42 | BigMac | and that will allow my path to stick? |
| 00:37:58 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 00:38:05 | pearldiver | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7172 |
| 00:38:09 | pearldiver | nice ideas |
| 00:38:50 | BigMac | linuxstb: oh and btw, how do you exit root, I I thought it was sudo -s but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 00:40:08 | webguest87 | What is the worst case scenario that can ocuur while installing rockbox on ipod video 30gb? |
| 00:40:44 | linuxstb | BigMac: I never use sudo. I just do "su" by itself to become the root user for a while, then "exit" to drop back to my normal account. |
| 00:41:25 | BigMac | ah I see |
| 00:41:34 | linuxstb | BigMac: Sorry, my advice was wrong - do it as the normal user... |
| 00:41:37 | saratoga | webguest87: you might have to read all the instructions to get everything working |
| 00:41:44 | saratoga | basically the worst case |
| 00:42:01 | webguest87 | so there is no way on earth that i can really mess up my ipod |
| 00:42:20 | webguest87 | such as my putting it into disk mode and it still not recognizing it |
| 00:42:20 | linuxstb | BigMac: I was going to suggest you changed the system startup file (which requires root privileges), then thought better... |
| 00:42:36 | saratoga | webguest87: correct |
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| 00:44:28 | webguest87 | What if i put my ipod video into disk mode and the computer still does not recognize it? |
| 00:44:32 | linuxstb | webguest87: If your ipod is in disk mode, but your computer doesn't recognise it, it's more likely to be a problem with your computer. |
| 00:44:48 | webguest87 | ohh |
| 00:45:00 | robin0800 | webguest87,of course your house could burn down |
| 00:45:16 | webguest87 | lol |
| 00:45:16 | preglow | saratoga: i would guess we want to do all our own buffering |
| 00:45:36 | saratoga | good, this will let me simply things a good bit |
| 00:45:53 | linuxstb | That's how we like things... |
| 00:46:11 | webguest87 | saratoga: what if i get an error message on my ipod and then none of the buttons work and when i connect it to my computer it doesnt recognize it? |
| 00:47:25 | linuxstb | webguest87: Then you need to put it in disk mode... |
| 00:47:46 | robin0800 | webguest87,you can always get it into disk mode this is an apple function not rockbox's |
| 00:47:58 | webguest87 | oh |
| 00:48:17 | webguest87 | Will you guys be making rockbox for second gen ipod nano? |
| 00:48:57 | preglow | webguest87: sure, if we ever have enough information to do so |
| 00:48:59 | preglow | in a heartbeat |
| 00:49:22 | robin0800 | You might have to hold the buttons for along time or release them and try again |
| 00:49:57 | webguest87 | please try to get rockbox for second generation ipod nano |
| 00:50:05 | webguest87 | i would really really and i mean really appreciate it |
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| 00:50:59 | webguest87 | Please make rockbox for Second Generation Ipod Nano |
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| 00:56:57 | Javacat_ | is it possible to skin the boot screen? |
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| 01:00:43 | linuxstb | Javacat_: Yes, if you compile Rockbox from source with a different bitmap. |
| 01:01:22 | Javacat_ | humbug :P |
| 01:01:23 | Javacat_ | thanks |
| 01:01:38 | robin0800 | Javacat_,or there is a tool on the mysticriver forum site |
| 01:02:09 | Javacat_ | Cool :D |
| 01:05:51 | linuxstb | Bagder: Still here? |
| 01:06:46 | linuxstb | Bagder: If so (or if you read the logs), can you move this to the download server? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutil-v0.3.2.3.dmg |
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| 01:10:51 | amiconn | Bagder: You can reenable SDL builds on my box now, the latest debian-unstable binutils are fixed |
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| 01:13:55 | zivan56 | I am not having any luck with figuring out tuning for the sanyo chip, if anybody is interested check out FS 7178 |
| 01:14:36 | zivan56 | the datasheet explains it, but there are no technical details |
| 01:14:53 | zivan56 | but I see full radio support coming very soon :) |
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| 01:16:08 | austriancoder | zivan56: good work |
| 01:16:43 | zivan56 | thanks austriancoder |
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| 01:17:12 | * | austriancoder is sad that his sansa has no fm |
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| 01:17:45 | zivan56 | ah, EU version doesn't unfortunately...at least not the recent ones |
| 01:19:25 | zivan56 | austriancoder: do you hear a buzz with after your commit of as3514.c ? |
| 01:20:10 | austriancoder | zivan56: sometimes... but i will fix the code in svn as we know now that fm is connected via line in 1 |
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| 01:21:27 | sinisterguy | hey, i was wondering about what a good mp3 player with 4GB or more of storage would be. |
| 01:21:40 | zivan56 | austriancoder: also volume control doesn't work with line1 and changing the volume while listening to music makes the music cut out |
| 01:22:24 | zivan56 | sinisterguy: Sandisk Sansa e260 might be |
| 01:22:34 | zivan56 | really depends on what you want it to do |
| 01:22:54 | sinisterguy | zivan56: does it play ogg? |
| 01:22:58 | linuxstb | sinisterguy: Based on those criteria (plays mp3, at least 4GB), almost anything Rockbox supports.. |
| 01:23:14 | zivan56 | sinisterguy: rockbox supports ogg, so I believe everything rockbox supports does |
| 01:23:26 | austriancoder | zivan56: volume control should work, if you have coded it :) sound problems.. i konw of them, but i dont know how to fix them... hope that it will be something like 70000084 |= 1 - I need to get the emulator running under windows.. but at the moment it crashes# |
| 01:24:08 | linuxstb | zivan56: Not quite - the Archos devices only support MP2/3 (and WAV in progress) |
| 01:24:18 | zivan56 | austriancoder: I guess there is no "master" volume, but not in a hurry, as tuning still needs to be implemented |
| 01:24:51 | austriancoder | zivan56: master = mixer volume |
| 01:24:53 | zivan56 | linuxstb: good to know, do they still sell those devices? |
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| 01:25:12 | linuxstb | zivan56: No, but that's the same for almost all Rockbox supported devices... |
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| 01:26:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you think Apple will discontinue the G5.5 the moment it's fully supported by rockbox (i.e. also the 80GB model)? ;) |
| 01:26:19 | zivan56 | austriancoder: current code uses DAC_R/DAC_L, so I was under the impression that was the dac which is connected to the headphones |
| 01:26:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: Of course :) The delay with the real 6th gen is just so they can wait for us to add 80GB support.. |
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| 01:27:36 | zivan56 | how many rockbox devs here have a sansa with FM support? |
| 01:27:51 | austriancoder | zivan56: at the moment i am not shure whats the best way to control volume is... i tried some of them.. and will change it in near future |
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| 01:33:37 | austriancoder | zivan56-2: i think not so many |
| 01:34:30 | zivan56 | yeah, most developers appear to be in Europe, not many in NA |
| 01:34:59 | austriancoder | mabe i can buy an non eu version... |
| 01:35:30 | zivan56 | kind of a waste of money since you already have a sansa |
| 01:35:49 | zivan56 | did you check to make sure it has no fm tuner? If its older, it may just have EU firmware |
| 01:36:10 | zivan56 | which just hides the tuner |
| 01:36:44 | austriancoder | zivan56: i havent opend my sansa.. but i could try your code and see what happens |
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| 01:39:00 | zivan56 | austriancoder: you can just replace the OF with the north american version if its easier |
| 01:40:01 | austriancoder | zivan56: what values have you written to ADC_L and ADC_R in as3514.c ? |
| 01:40:17 | zivan56 | I am using your commit, no changes |
| 01:40:39 | austriancoder | zivan56: fine :) |
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| 01:43:46 | zivan56 | austriancoder: http://www.iwdstudio.com/rockbox/rockbox.mi4 so you don't have to compile it |
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| 01:44:26 | zivan56 | that patch modifies a bunch of files, and still needs a lot of work |
| 01:44:54 | austriancoder | zivan56: thanks.. will put it on my sansa |
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| 01:45:38 | zivan56 | easiest way is to go to fm debug screen and see if chip revision is 09 |
| 01:45:52 | zivan56 | should probably be all 00 if hardware is not present |
| 01:48:14 | austriancoder | zivan56: chip id = 00 :( |
| 01:48:38 | linuxstb | zivan56: Minor comment about your patch - it contains lots of whitespace changes. It looks like your editor is automatically removing trailing spaces from lines. |
| 01:49:18 | zivan56 | linuxstb: yes it does unfortunately, can you recommend a win32 editor which does not? I have tried 3 of them... |
| 01:49:35 | linuxstb | Also, I think you want to use &&, not & in the #if lines (apart from checking CONFIG_TUNER of course) |
| 01:50:53 | pixelma | zivan56: notepad++ and ConText are quite nice (the first should not - the latter definitely does not remove them) |
| 01:51:09 | linuxstb | zivan56: Sorry, I don't know any win32 editors (but I see pixelma does...) |
| 01:51:51 | zivan56 | ah, thanks notepad++ looks good |
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| 01:53:29 | schula | i get /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnu/4.0.4/../../../../arm-linux-gnu/bin/ld: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got' when i try to build rockbox with gcc-4.0.4 any hints? |
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| 01:55:18 | scorche | use 4.0.3 |
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| 01:55:47 | zivan56 | linuxstb: where are the && supposed to be? In tuner_sanyo? |
| 01:56:36 | zivan56 | I haven't done bitwise stuff in ages, so I forgot most of it |
| 01:57:31 | linuxstb | zivan56: Also, HAVE_RECORDING isn't defined for the e200, so I don't think there is a need to add the CONFIG_TUNER != LV24020LP checks. In radio.c, I think the recording code should be surrounded by #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING instead of checking for the Sansa's tuner. |
| 01:57:58 | austriancoder | zivan56: you can add your new tuner code with svn add firmware/drivers/name-of-file and it will be shown in svn diff |
| 01:58:26 | linuxstb | zivan56: Lines like +#if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC) & (CONFIG_TUNER != LV24020LP) should be && - it's a logical AND, not a bitwise AND. |
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| 01:59:06 | austriancoder | maybe we need to look at runtime if there is a tuner - chip id - and decide if we need the fm radio menu stuff? |
| 01:59:19 | linuxstb | Yes, other targets do that. |
| 01:59:43 | Boubie | t2 is cool |
| 01:59:53 | linuxstb | e.g. some Recorder V2 models had FM hardware IIRC (but not all) |
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| 02:00:21 | zivan56 | I see, will fix it, I was just trying to get it to compile back then |
| 02:00:37 | zivan56 | good to know about svn add, I though it would try to commit it right away |
| 02:01:09 | austriancoder | zivan56: it commits all changes with svn commit |
| 02:01:18 | austriancoder | if you have an developer account |
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| 02:01:54 | linuxstb | schula: Which target are you building for, and what source file is giving that problem? |
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| 02:02:23 | austriancoder | zivan56: i could get a sansa with radio for ~125 € |
| 02:02:33 | schula | linuxstb: latest svn, sansa280 (arm), i will try now the rockboxdev script |
| 02:02:51 | zivan56 | austriancoder: not cheap, but I guess if you really need the radio |
| 02:03:36 | austriancoder | zivan56: if i can sell my "old" sansa to a firend.. i think i will do it, as radio is cool |
| 02:03:53 | zivan56 | good idea |
| 02:05:11 | mpeccorini | hi all, does somebody know if testing/commits to specific plugins are assigned to specific developers? |
| 02:06:31 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: No, it's whoever wants to work on them at the time. |
| 02:07:10 | mpeccorini | hmmm, I see |
| 02:07:12 | linuxstb | Did you see my question earlier about your chessbox patch? |
| 02:07:21 | mpeccorini | sorry, I didn't |
| 02:07:32 | mpeccorini | I've been kind of busy at work today |
| 02:07:35 | mpeccorini | what was the question? |
| 02:07:46 | linuxstb | Reading the description of the patch, do I understand correctly that you write to the disk after each move? |
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| 02:08:14 | mpeccorini | I keep the file open an write after every move |
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| 02:08:20 | mpeccorini | is that incorrect? |
| 02:08:34 | mpeccorini | should I keep everything in memory and write at the end of the match? |
| 02:08:51 | linuxstb | In Rockbox yes - spinning the disk up to write the move will use a lot of battery poewr. |
| 02:08:54 | linuxstb | ^power |
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| 02:09:17 | mpeccorini | God, you're right, my bad ! |
| 02:09:36 | mpeccorini | since I use a flash based iPod I didn't put much thought about that |
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| 02:09:51 | mpeccorini | I'll rewrite the entire patch then |
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| 02:10:05 | mpeccorini | is there a way to "reject" the one I submitted? |
| 02:10:36 | linuxstb | No, just post a new version of the patch as a comment to the same task. |
| 02:10:54 | linuxstb | Many patches go through multple revisions before being committed. |
| 02:10:59 | mpeccorini | ok, I will, but that can take a couple days |
| 02:11:15 | mpeccorini | I'll post a comment so everybody knows that one should not be commited |
| 02:11:36 | mpeccorini | making a reference to your observation of course ;) |
| 02:12:21 | linuxstb | I think you over-estimate how efficient we all are at committing patches... |
| 02:12:22 | webguest30 | when is the stable release version of ipod video coming out??? |
| 02:12:35 | mpeccorini | hehehe |
| 02:12:48 | scorche | webguest30: there is no date |
| 02:12:49 | mpeccorini | well, the first patch I submitted was posted the day after that |
| 02:13:22 | mpeccorini | it was a very small change to stopwatch (just for warming up in rockbox development) |
| 02:13:24 | webguest30 | so should i use current build or archieve build for my ipod video? |
| 02:13:30 | scorche | current |
| 02:14:17 | webguest30 | what if the ipod messes up with this rock box , does the ipod stop functioning ?? |
| 02:14:36 | scorche | you cannot harm your ipod with rockbox |
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| 02:15:08 | webguest30 | if anything happens how do i get my ipod back to its original state? |
| 02:15:54 | scorche | with itunes |
| 02:16:30 | webguest30 | scorche: what if the computer does not recognize the ipod? |
| 02:16:46 | scorche | then you put it into disk-mode manually |
| 02:17:04 | webguest30 | what if the menu plus center buttons dont work? |
| 02:17:39 | webguest30 | then how do i get it into disk mode? |
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| 02:18:08 | linuxstb | webguest30: Are you going to ask about the 2nd gen Nano again? |
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| 02:18:23 | webguest30 | no |
| 02:18:26 | scorche | webguest30: it will work |
| 02:18:40 | webguest30 | ok |
| 02:18:40 | scorche | if it doesnt, then you have some major issues with your ipod |
| 02:18:44 | linuxstb | You've asked all the other questions earlier.. |
| 02:18:46 | webguest30 | thank you very much |
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| 02:19:20 | webguest30 | sorry |
| 02:19:22 | webguest30 | about |
| 02:19:23 | webguest30 | that |
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| 02:25:05 | ultraren | my 4th gen greyscale ipod keeps freezing during playback. any ideas on why or how to fix it? |
| 02:27:06 | webguest30 | when u are extracting your files, in the intrustions says, your folder should be /.rockbox or just .rockbox |
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| 02:29:26 | BillGod | Sorry to bust in Just wondering how far anyone has gotten on sansa 200r? I read badger was able to change vanilla to R and back. Just wondering if there are docs yet as to installing on R yet? |
| 02:29:39 | linuxstb | ultraren: It's a known problem on some ipods. You can try this unofficial build which works around the problem - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6357.0 |
| 02:30:43 | linuxstb | webguest30: The folder itself is just called ".rockbox". The / indicates that the folder is at the top-level (root) of the drive. |
| 02:32:00 | ultraren | what's frequency scaling? will i miss it when its gone? |
| 02:33:39 | linuxstb | It's changing the frequency of the CPU (i.e. the speed) dynamically. You'll probably notice your ipod feels faster with it disabled, but it will be using slightly more power. |
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| 02:35:15 | ultraren | hmm, well that's moderatly annoying. but at least i wont have to keep rebooting while i'm driving |
| 02:37:01 | ultraren | how do i install it once ive got it? |
| 02:37:26 | linuxstb | The same as a standard Rockbox build - just extract the zip file to your ipod, overwriting the existing .rockbox folder. |
| 02:37:40 | ultraren | aaahhh |
| 02:37:42 | ultraren | rock on |
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| 02:48:09 | zivan56 | do all targets with radio support recording from it? |
| 02:49:37 | zivan56 | #if defined(HAVE_RECORDING) || CONFIG_TUNER is in the source, but this would enable the recording even if it HAVE_RECORDING is not set? |
| 02:51:25 | zivan56 | wouldn't it be HAVE_RECORDING && CONFIG_TUNER ? |
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| 02:52:23 | zivan56 | or would it break other targets... |
| 02:52:56 | webguest30 | I downloaded rockbox but the text is way too small |
| 02:52:59 | webguest30 | how can i make it bigger? |
| 02:53:21 | zivan56 | change the font maybe? |
| 02:53:42 | zivan56 | or is it totally unreadable...? |
| 02:53:47 | webguest30 | how do i change the font? |
| 02:53:59 | webguest30 | it is readable but very small |
| 02:54:28 | zivan56 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch9.html#x12-2060009.1.2 |
| 02:54:54 | zivan56 | well check the manual for your player, but it should be the same |
| 02:56:53 | webguest30 | i have the ipod video |
| 02:57:02 | webguest30 | how do i change the font for it |
| 02:58:31 | zivan56 | check the link, its the exact same |
| 02:59:13 | BillGod | Anyone know if Sansa 200r is working yet? |
| 02:59:38 | zivan56 | BillGod: no |
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| 03:00:20 | BillGod | zivan56: Thanks |
| 03:00:43 | linuxstb | zivan56: I think that currently all devices with Radio support recording, but your patch should probably change that assumption. The Sansa has radio, but no recording (at the moment) |
| 03:01:26 | zivan56 | linuxstb: though so, was wondering why it was trying to compile stuff related to recording |
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| 03:02:22 | zivan56 | linuxstb: do you know which targets have different radios? so I can test compile them to make sure it doesn't break things |
| 03:02:37 | linuxstb | grep CONFIG_TUNER firmware/export/config-*.h |
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| 03:04:14 | webguest14 | How do i make doom work on my ipod video |
| 03:07:28 | webguest14 | How do i make Pacman work on my ipod |
| 03:07:51 | pixelma | pick the manual for your player from this site http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml like suggested to you above - it should answer most of your questions |
| 03:09:24 | Javacat_ | Would it ever be possible to control my iAudio X5 using the controls on my cars steering wheel with the correct cables through the use of the USB OTG (when it gets fully reverse engineered)? (like with the standard iPods firmware) |
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| 03:11:23 | webguest14 | i still dont understand how to download it |
| 03:11:29 | webguest14 | can u help with doom |
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| 03:12:17 | webguest98 | hey, |
| 03:12:24 | webguest98 | anyone here? |
| 03:12:30 | webguest98 | on* |
| 03:12:41 | linuxstb | webguest14: Are you reading the "Getting Started" section on the PluginDoom wiki page? |
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| 03:13:19 | Javacat_ | Actually... I bet it could be done using the remote interface with a lot of hacking... hmmm |
| 03:13:48 | mhydronic | is there a way to change the backdrop on ipod 5g without renaming file names? |
| 03:14:02 | webguest98 | I have a quick questino. Can I instal rockbox onto my new 80gb iPod video? Ive done it on my nano but I just got a vid and was wondering if I could. |
| 03:14:17 | mhydronic | yeah |
| 03:14:45 | webguest98 | Really? Sweet. For some reason I thought I couldn't |
| 03:14:51 | pixelma | no, Rockbox doesn't work on the 80GB models yet |
| 03:14:54 | linuxstb | webguest98: No you can't. |
| 03:14:57 | webguest98 | oh |
| 03:15:07 | webguest14 | the getting started doesnt say anything about doom |
| 03:15:18 | webguest98 | well anyways thanks |
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| 03:15:28 | webguest14 | please give me step by step instructions on how to download doom onto my ipod video |
| 03:15:40 | linuxstb | webguest14: On the PluginDoom wiki page - which is linked from the manual... |
| 03:16:09 | schula | btw. the rockboxdev script is really nice, now i can compile _and_ link rockbox :) |
| 03:16:09 | webguest14 | i am on that page but still dont understand how to install it |
| 03:16:14 | webguest14 | please help me out |
| 03:16:25 | linuxstb | Which step are you stuck on? |
| 03:16:35 | webguest14 | the beginning |
| 03:16:41 | webguest14 | what do i do from the start |
| 03:16:57 | mhydronic | hey linux.. are ipods detected in linux the same way they are in windows? |
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| 03:17:48 | linuxstb | mhydronic: What do you mean? detected by what? |
| 03:18:17 | webguest14 | please someone help me with doom |
| 03:18:23 | mhydronic | well in windows. i plugin my ipod and it shows up as an additional harddrive. in linux, which i am completely new to and will install tonight, what happens? |
| 03:18:26 | linuxstb | webguest14: I'm not going to repeat the instructions which are on the wiki page unless you say which step you are stuck on. |
| 03:18:48 | webguest14 | how do i create the directory |
| 03:18:55 | webguest14 | i just type it in a new folder |
| 03:19:35 | linuxstb | mmhydronic: It depends on how your Linux is setup, but most distributions will auto-mount USB hard disks when attached - i.e. the same as Windows. |
| 03:19:56 | mhydronic | k nice. thanks |
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| 03:20:33 | linuxstb | There is nothing special about ipods - they appear as standard USB disks. |
| 03:20:50 | webguest61 | for doom do i just make a new folder onj my ipod and type .rockbox/doom on it |
| 03:21:00 | mhydronic | webguest |
| 03:21:04 | mhydronic | is your ipod connected? |
| 03:21:11 | webguest61 | yes |
| 03:21:11 | linuxstb | You create a new folder in the .rockbox folder and call it "doom" |
| 03:21:23 | mhydronic | open up my computer and double click on your ipod drive |
| 03:21:33 | mhydronic | you should see a .rockbox folder there |
| 03:21:47 | webguest61 | yes i do |
| 03:21:54 | mhydronic | open it |
| 03:21:56 | webguest61 | i made a new folder called doom in .rockbox |
| 03:22:00 | mhydronic | k |
| 03:22:06 | webguest61 | whats next |
| 03:22:11 | mhydronic | download rockdoom.wad to that folder |
| 03:22:34 | mhydronic | you must be uber nub cuz im nubbish and can figure this out ;) |
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| 03:23:19 | webguest61 | ok i downloaded rockdoom.wad |
| 03:23:23 | webguest61 | then what do i do |
| 03:23:36 | mhydronic | rockdoom.wad is in the /.rockbox/doom folder? |
| 03:23:46 | webguest61 | yes |
| 03:24:28 | webguest61 | what should i do after that |
| 03:26:20 | mhydronic | well i don't know what the limitations of the doom1.wad shareware is but i guess download that and unzip it into the /doom folder |
| 03:28:29 | webguest61 | i did that |
| 03:28:38 | webguest61 | it should play after that |
| 03:28:45 | webguest61 | should i just diconnect the ipod |
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| 03:29:51 | mhydronic | yeah but make sure you disable voice |
| 03:30:07 | mhydronic | General Settings -> Voice should be disabled |
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| 03:33:32 | webguest61 | now its time for pacman |
| 03:33:37 | webguest61 | how do i download pacman |
| 03:34:17 | aliask | webguest61: It' |
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| 03:34:23 | aliask | Oh well. |
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| 04:00:38 | noodge | has anyone installed rockbox on a f40 in linux? |
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| 04:10:54 | aliask | noodge: I haven't but I might be able to help you, are you having problems with it? |
| 04:11:21 | noodge | I was just curious to know how safe it is |
| 04:12:03 | aliask | In terms of damage to the player? |
| 04:13:24 | aliask | It should be no different to installing from windows or mac, all you're really doing is replacing a file. |
| 04:14:06 | noodge | Hrm ok |
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| 05:54:18 | Josh_ | hey i have a question |
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| 05:54:44 | Josh_ | ? |
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| 05:55:46 | aliask | josh_ go ahead and ask it then :) |
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| 05:56:04 | Josh_ | okay, i was making sure it was okay to ask here as there's a forum as well. |
| 05:56:22 | Josh_ | basically, i have a 60gb ipod that i successfully installed rockbox on today. |
| 05:56:48 | Josh_ | i played around with it, installed themes and such, and decided that while rockbox is awesome, i feel like it's more fo ao toy than an everyday use thing. |
| 05:56:57 | Josh_ | so i decided to take it off of my ipod. |
| 05:57:01 | Josh_ | but |
| 05:57:04 | Josh_ | heres the catch |
| 05:57:08 | Josh_ | hold on one second |
| 05:57:27 | Josh_ | i searched uninstall rockbox on google |
| 05:57:33 | Josh_ | and the first result was this page: http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=12209 |
| 05:57:35 | Josh_ | so |
| 05:57:37 | Josh_ | i did that |
| 05:57:40 | NJoin | daurnimator [0] (i=daurn@unaffiliated/daurnimator) |
| 05:57:41 | Josh_ | unplugged my ipod |
| 05:57:44 | Josh_ | and now |
| 05:57:55 | NJoin | secleinteer [0] (n=secleint@70.230.174.232) |
| 05:57:57 | Josh_ | it wont go past the initial apple logo on a black background |
| 05:58:02 | NJoin | ze [0] (i=ze@cpe-76-175-22-254.socal.res.rr.com) |
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| 05:58:10 | Josh_ | and it wont even show up on ym computer at all |
| 05:58:14 | Josh_ | i have xp pro |
| 05:58:31 | aliask | Did you update the ipod from itunes first? |
| 05:58:36 | Josh_ | no. |
| 05:58:48 | Josh_ | i just unplugged it after i deleted everythign rockbox |
| 05:58:53 | Josh_ | *everything |
| 05:59:16 | aliask | Well, the guy said to do that first, so that was step 1 wrong, but the bootloader should still dump you in the apple firmware |
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| 05:59:24 | aliask | If it can't find rockbox. |
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| 06:00:11 | Josh_ | but i think it's looking for rockbox since i didnt do the update thing, and since i deleted the rockbox stuff it just sits there |
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| 06:00:29 | aliask | So the black apple logo just sits there? |
| 06:00:30 | Josh_ | and since it cant do anything it wont be recognized, even as a portable disk |
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| 06:00:33 | Josh_ | yes |
| 06:00:44 | aliask | Well it doesn't even sound like it's loading the rockbox bootloader... |
| 06:00:53 | Josh_ | ive tried resetting it multiple times and it resets but does the same thing |
| 06:01:01 | Josh_ | its not, i deleted it |
| 06:01:11 | aliask | No, you didn't. |
| 06:01:28 | aliask | The bootloader is hidden, doing the update would have removed it, but you didn't do that. |
| 06:01:57 | Josh_ | but how can i do that if i cant recognize my ipod in the first place anymore? |
| 06:02:07 | aliask | That's the trick isn't it? |
| 06:02:15 | Josh_ | yeah. haha. |
| 06:02:21 | Josh_ | is there any hope? |
| 06:02:29 | aliask | Can you get it into disk mode at all? |
| 06:02:35 | Josh_ | nope. |
| 06:02:49 | aliask | I'm not too familiar with ipods so I'm kinda going on what I've heard... |
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| 06:03:35 | aliask | Well, at the moment I can't really think of anything short of physically removing the hard drive and overwriting the bootloader... |
| 06:03:46 | aliask | But you probably don't want to do that... |
| 06:03:54 | Josh_ | well i have no warranty anymore |
| 06:04:00 | Josh_ | so im not worried about voiding it |
| 06:04:25 | Josh_ | how would i go about getting the ipod open though? |
| 06:04:30 | aliask | There should hopefully be a more elegant solution, but I'm not too sure what that would be |
| 06:05:43 | aliask | I don't think there's much point in getting the hdd, you'd need a ZIF 1.8" hard drive usb adaptor, and the only one I've ever seen is only sold in europe and it isn't cheap. |
| 06:06:41 | Josh_ | http://www.ipodlinux.org/Restore_without_iTunes |
| 06:06:42 | aliask | I think you should hang around and see if someone who knows a little more about this sort of thing comes on (perhaps Llorean, or linuxstb) |
| 06:06:56 | Josh_ | im looking into that maybe |
| 06:07:04 | Josh_ | i cn always boot linux from ausb key |
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| 06:07:07 | Josh_ | *can |
| 06:07:14 | aliask | But that requires the ipod to be detected, which it isn't. |
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| 06:08:22 | Josh_ | well it says unmounted |
| 06:08:53 | Josh_ | "Before you start make sure that the iPod's partitions are not mounted." |
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| 06:09:09 | aliask | Yes, that just means that the disk is there in /dev but not in an accessible place in the filesystem |
| 06:09:19 | Josh_ | isnt that what i have? an ipod that cant mount? |
| 06:09:21 | Josh_ | oh |
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| 06:09:32 | Josh_ | see, i'm no linux expert. i have a tiny bit of experience but thats it |
| 06:12:43 | Josh_ | i might actually have a manufacturers warranty. |
| 06:12:57 | Josh_ | i doubt this is covered |
| 06:13:00 | Josh_ | if i do |
| 06:13:21 | Josh_ | would you think i can break it in another way and send it in? |
| 06:13:23 | Josh_ | haha |
| 06:13:43 | aliask | possibly not, but it wouldn't be immediately obvious that the ipod even ever had rockbox on it |
| 06:14:12 | Josh_ | so you think i could just tell them it wont load up |
| 06:14:28 | aliask | but wait around to see if someone knows anything about this sort of thing, you might not need to do anything like that |
| 06:14:58 | Josh_ | well, i can wait for awhile, but it 9:15 here and i have work tomorrow |
| 06:15:08 | Josh_ | *it's |
| 06:16:23 | Josh_ | do either of the 2 people you mentioned come in semi-regularly? |
| 06:16:29 | aliask | well, i don't think linuxstb will be around for a little while at least, he actually went to sleep ~5 hours ago |
| 06:16:34 | Josh_ | ok |
| 06:16:44 | aliask | But both are here quite regularly |
| 06:17:00 | aliask | And those two people aren't the only ones who might be able to help you |
| 06:17:10 | Josh_ | do you know whats up with llorean? |
| 06:17:31 | aliask | Uh, he's usually here 24 hours a day somehow... |
| 06:17:43 | Josh_ | weird. |
| 06:17:47 | Josh_ | okay. |
| 06:17:50 | aliask | But I think he's in the US. |
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| 06:23:19 | Josh_ | if i copy pasted this conversation into the forums, do you think it would be okay? because i really have to go and i figure i might as well see if i get any responses overnight |
| 06:24:41 | Josh_ | ? |
| 06:24:50 | aliask | I think it might be a bit verbose, you could probably just explain your situation (removed .rockbox directory but not bootloader and now hangs before loading any bootloader - impossible to access disk mode to recover) |
| 06:25:58 | Josh_ | okay, i will do that, but just in case i'll upload a text file to an external server adn link to that. im just gonan cover all the bases |
| 06:26:14 | Josh_ | wait, actually this room is logged right? |
| 06:26:23 | Josh_ | i can just reference the log with google cache |
| 06:26:39 | scorche | you dont need to use the cache |
| 06:26:46 | scorche | rockbox.org/irc |
| 06:27:11 | Josh_ | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070516 |
| 06:27:26 | Josh_ | oh okay |
| 06:27:30 | Josh_ | those times are links |
| 06:27:32 | Josh_ | anchors |
| 06:27:34 | Josh_ | alright |
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| 06:28:02 | Josh_ | no, but see i'm not there |
| 06:28:13 | Josh_ | look for our conversation |
| 06:28:39 | Josh_ | nvm |
| 06:28:42 | Josh_ | found it i think |
| 06:28:44 | Josh_ | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070517#05:54:18 |
| 06:29:22 | Josh_ | does that work for you? |
| 06:33:25 | Josh_ | nevermind i got it |
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| 06:48:18 | Josh_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10553.msg80157#msg80157 |
| 06:48:20 | Josh_ | alright |
| 06:48:22 | Josh_ | thanks |
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| 07:33:10 | saratoga | ffmpeg is really amazing |
| 07:33:19 | saratoga | the older build actually has more comments then the newer |
| 07:33:34 | saratoga | so at some point, someone went through some of the files and removed the function descriptions |
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| 08:00:22 | daurnimator | JdGordon? |
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| 08:27:34 | * | JdGordon found his mSD card today after buyin a new one on tuesday :'( |
| 08:28:10 | BHSPitMonkey | :/ |
| 08:28:28 | JdGordon | and i tihnk i chucked the adapter out :'( |
| 08:29:11 | BHSPitMonkey | dang |
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| 08:36:34 | daurnimator | JdGordon: micro or mini |
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| 08:58:49 | JdGordon | hat file extension should this get? |
| 08:58:51 | JdGordon | $ file filename |
| 08:58:51 | JdGordon | filename: MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, Monaural |
| 08:58:54 | JdGordon | what* |
| 08:59:59 | aliask | mp1? |
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| 09:00:56 | aliask | Is it just audio? |
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| 09:18:01 | JdGordon | aliask: yeah, just audio |
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| 09:19:28 | aliask | Then I think mp1 is the done thing |
| 09:19:45 | aliask | Rockbox filetypes say mp1 as well... |
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| 09:20:41 | JdGordon | ok, I wonder if my phone will be able to play it :p |
| 09:20:48 | * | JdGordon tring to get a ringtone for mum |
| 09:21:27 | aliask | Could always transcode - it's not like you need to worry about quality :P |
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| 09:22:56 | JdGordon | yea, looks like ill have to |
| 09:22:58 | JdGordon | bbl |
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| 10:42:26 | markun | for those Rio Karma users is here with broken HDDs: http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3957 |
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| 10:57:36 | markun | about my GSoC 'student': "My commencement is june 10th a few days before that I should defend so then I will be totally available for GSoC" |
| 10:58:05 | scorche | did he say anything else about devcon-w? |
| 10:58:44 | markun | no |
| 10:58:52 | markun | but I didn't ask him anymore |
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| 11:08:54 | Siltaar | so finally, he chose Rockbox |
| 11:09:47 | markun | Siltaar: who did? |
| 11:10:02 | Siltaar | your GSoC :-) |
| 11:10:13 | Siltaar | GSoC 'Student' |
| 11:10:17 | markun | ah, yes |
| 11:10:33 | markun | well, I believe there was no slot for him at the other project anyway |
| 11:12:45 | Siltaar | Else, I found talk_file function that seems perfect form my project |
| 11:13:28 | Siltaar | I will have to make a french version of the talking sudoku to « defend » it, but then, I try to have the english version commited |
| 11:14:05 | Siltaar | I will also make a talking 'unminer' game |
| 11:14:20 | Siltaar | and perhaps one more 'till september |
| 11:16:07 | intgr | Does anyone actually play games on their DAP? |
| 11:16:11 | aliask | Unminer game? |
| 11:16:14 | Siltaar | For the integration of the game, I think about make a preference in Sudoku plugin to choose wether we want it talking or not, and, if so, the user will have to add the required Sudoku .mp3 files... |
| 11:16:31 | aliask | intgr: Plenty |
| 11:16:56 | markun | intgr: I do |
| 11:16:57 | Siltaar | intgr,don't know don't care, |
| 11:17:08 | Siltaar | intgr, blind poeple will be able to ! |
| 11:17:14 | intgr | :) |
| 11:17:20 | amiconn | Siltaar: There is a drawback in using individual .mp3 files for voice in plugins. Each call to talk_file() causes a disk spinup, and there's a lot of clutter on the disk if you have many clips |
| 11:17:52 | amiconn | One goal of langv2 was to eventually extend the voice UI to plugins, so that talking plugins would have their own voice file |
| 11:17:54 | Siltaar | aliask, in French it's « démineur » |
| 11:18:16 | Siltaar | amiconn, would be perfect |
| 11:18:24 | amiconn | This would be loaded at plugin start, and wouldn't cause any subsequent spinups |
| 11:18:45 | intgr | Démineur is minesweeper. |
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| 11:18:52 | Siltaar | yes, thanks ! |
| 11:18:59 | aliask | Aha! Cool |
| 11:19:11 | amiconn | This would be in conjunction with the ability to localize the plugin strings |
| 11:19:35 | Siltaar | amiconn, I will be evaluated in 3 weeks upon a working thing |
| 11:20:08 | Siltaar | amiconn, then, if something like langv2 is working before september, I will adapt my code for sure |
| 11:21:58 | Siltaar | and maybe I will be able to help in making langv2 working |
| 11:22:00 | amiconn | If we get langv2 for plugins running including voice, voicing menus in plugins would become really simple |
| 11:22:11 | Siltaar | yes |
| 11:22:12 | amiconn | No different to voicingm menus in the core |
| 11:22:30 | XavierGr | amiconn: btw, if you ever come around to a ground loop problem an audio isolator works adequately. It solved the problem in my car |
| 11:22:50 | XavierGr | and cheap solution too, only 6 euros |
| 11:22:59 | amiconn | I know that an isolating transformer will help, but it also degrades audio quality a bit |
| 11:23:04 | Siltaar | I looked a bit on the site for langv2 files, but, it's just about the current way to make languages.lng files |
| 11:23:17 | XavierGr | amiconn: well yes, but you don't have a choice |
| 11:23:30 | * | amiconn will rather run his rockboxes from battery than going the isolating transformer route |
| 11:23:57 | amiconn | Siltaar: Yes, langv2 is prepared, but only used in the core yet |
| 11:24:10 | XavierGr | also I don't think I would notice the difference with the crapy speakers my car has |
| 11:24:11 | Siltaar | ok, and what are we missing ? |
| 11:24:24 | amiconn | In order to extend it to plugins, we need some kind of 'user' flag for LANG IDs |
| 11:24:57 | amiconn | And we need a somewhat more sophisticated way of loading voice and .lng files |
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| 11:26:00 | amiconn | Another use for langv2 will be to cut down .lng and .voice files to what is actually used on a target (i.e. target specific voice and .lng files) |
| 11:26:18 | Siltaar | amiconn, the 1.4MO limitation also appears to me as something to improve |
| 11:26:21 | amiconn | There's a patch in the tracker, but it needs a bit more preparation (.lng and .voice loader) |
| 11:26:45 | amiconn | On targets with plenty of ram there is no 1.4MB limit |
| 11:27:00 | amiconn | But for the archoses the 1.4MB cannot be extended |
| 11:27:29 | amiconn | The archoses only have 2MB ram in total, and the core, plugin etc also need some ram... |
| 11:27:47 | Siltaar | using the ui-simulator for iPod Video, I had the limitation |
| 11:28:07 | amiconn | It's even nearer 1.3MB these days (except for the 2 targets where rombox is still possible) |
| 11:28:19 | XavierGr | amiconn: a strange effect that I get is that the car-charger to USB cable will make my ondio run into usb mode fine, but when I try to hold mode + power to boot rockbox an error pops out saying that there is no partition! |
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| 11:28:37 | XavierGr | as an alternative I just cut the data lines of the USB cable |
| 11:28:59 | XavierGr | it just seems weird why I get that behaviour, considering that it works correctly with normal USB ports |
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| 11:31:43 | The-Compiler | Hello |
| 11:31:48 | markun | hi The-Compiler |
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| 11:40:09 | obo | amiconn: which version of binutils are you using? |
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| 11:43:44 | amiconn | obo: On my debian-unstable-amd64 I now have 2.17cvs20070426-6, which seems to be fixed |
| 11:44:59 | nls | amiconn: do you think there's any point in trying to get rockbox to build with the newly released gcc4.2? |
| 11:47:33 | obo | amiconn: weird, same version on plain x86 still segfaults for me |
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| 11:50:45 | pepie34 | hi |
| 11:51:11 | pepie34 | i get a "relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.text'" |
| 11:51:29 | pepie34 | when compiling with the ipodlinux arm-uclinux-emf |
| 11:51:32 | pepie34 | elf |
| 11:51:38 | pepie34 | is it normal? |
| 11:52:10 | pepie34 | i mean gcc-3.4.3 is not working anymore for rockbox? |
| 11:53:03 | obo | for arm you need to use 4.0.3 |
| 11:53:12 | linuxstb | I don't believe the arm-uclinux-elf toolchain ever worked with Rockbox... |
| 11:53:58 | pepie34 | linuxstb yes it has worked |
| 11:54:03 | pepie34 | I used to use it |
| 11:54:05 | obo | the tools/rockboxdev.sh script will download and compile the recommended versions... |
| 11:54:24 | pepie34 | i want to make .deb package of that |
| 11:54:34 | linuxstb | pepie34: OK, in which case you need to do what obo says and use the recommended 4.0.3 |
| 11:54:42 | pepie34 | OK |
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| 12:01:33 | zivan56 | sansa fm tuner driver now has the ability to tune....somewhat |
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| 12:06:23 | JdGordon | congrats zivan56 |
| 12:06:59 | zivan56 | JdGordon, thanks |
| 12:07:34 | zivan56 | its a kind of brute for tuning for now, as I can't really understand the datasheet in detail |
| 12:07:45 | zivan56 | but its a start :) |
| 12:09:13 | zivan56 | it is up as FS7178 if anybody is interested... |
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| 12:17:44 | pixelma | ...ooh a new one of Colombo in the forums... |
| 12:18:54 | JdGordon | him and X86 sure make the forums a fun place at times :) |
| 12:19:38 | JdGordon | although, X86 is mostly because he has bad english... not him being stupid like colombo |
| 12:20:09 | scorche | it gets annoying though |
| 12:20:25 | scorche | i know he means well, but...ehhhh.. |
| 12:20:52 | intgr | Hahaha "Lame SVN fixes..." |
| 12:21:04 | Llorean | Colombo, X86, and for some reason that "gnu" guy tends to get my goat as well |
| 12:22:15 | scorche | columbo just makes me laugh |
| 12:22:22 | scorche | s/u/o |
| 12:22:49 | * | pixelma was reminded of the "detective"... ;) |
| 12:23:14 | bluebrother | more fun ... :D |
| 12:23:35 | scorche | i think we should send a PM to X86 with something along the lines of "i know you are trying to help, etc, but it just isnt helping much..." |
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| 12:26:08 | JdGordon | lol bluebrother |
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| 12:28:11 | bluebrother | I always wanted to create a feature request for such a plugin. Maybe I should do (and reject it myself directly afterwards? ;-) |
| 12:29:37 | Llorean | Aren't there USB coffee makers? |
| 12:30:52 | JdGordon | only toasters... |
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| 12:31:08 | JdGordon | bugger, my dads sansa doesnt have the lcd glitch :( |
| 12:33:40 | * | scorche would rather his ipod made a latte rather than expresso |
| 12:37:10 | intgr | JdGordon: I take it that "USB toaster" means "toaster of the USB controller chip"? |
| 12:38:02 | scorche | devcon is tomorrow....my how time flies |
| 12:38:04 | JdGordon | no.. bread toaster :p |
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| 12:38:47 | intgr | JdGordon: Well, considering the power drawn by a toaster, it will probably toast the chipset quicker. :) |
| 12:39:24 | JdGordon | yah |
| 12:39:33 | * | JdGordon bash skills suck... |
| 12:39:49 | JdGordon | how do i extract every .zip in a folder to /media/usb ? |
| 12:40:01 | intgr | cd /media/usb; unzip $FILENAME |
| 12:40:11 | intgr | Ahh |
| 12:40:25 | intgr | cd /media/usb; for i in /path/to/*.zip; do unzip $i; done |
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| 12:40:51 | bluebrother | for i in *.zip; do unzip -d /media/usb $i; done |
| 12:40:55 | simmel | Oh, does that work? Don't you have to fo for i in `ls /path/to/*.zip`; ? |
| 12:41:06 | intgr | simmel: Yeah, that works. |
| 12:41:16 | simmel | What do you know, you learn something new every day! = P |
| 12:41:34 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 12:41:46 | bluebrother | you don't even need to cd first if you use unzip -d ;-) |
| 12:44:36 | JdGordon | hmm... seems there is a new OF version we need to look after in the anti-refresh-database-hack code |
| 12:44:47 | markun | and use "$i" in case you have spaces in your filenames |
| 12:49:16 | * | JdGordon wonders if barrywardell is hiding under some other nick :p |
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| 12:50:57 | scorche | ^ suspicious! |
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| 12:51:37 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:51:49 | bluebrother | maybe he hides as logbot ;-) |
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| 12:52:32 | * | scorche shields logbot_ from future abuse |
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| 12:55:30 | JdGordon | woohoo :) i found the patch from the logs |
| 12:56:05 | scorche | well, i was doing a bit more searching on voice conference for devcon-w, and skype seems to be the only thing really, unless i wanted to start up an asterisk server, sadly |
| 12:57:22 | scorche | i saw others that ran on the three main platforms (mac, windows, linux), but either they didnt support large conferences, or you had to have odd workarounds that didnt really work |
| 12:57:39 | bluebrother | reminds me ... any news regarding devcon? Some skype-tingy planned or not? |
| 12:58:00 | scorche | i was going to ask, but i dont see Bagder active |
| 12:58:33 | scorche | as i said, i am planning on doing a skype conference or skypecast for devcon-w, but devcon-euro isnt my thing =/ |
| 12:58:46 | bluebrother | what's a skypecast? |
| 12:59:04 | scorche | a conference planned in advance that can support a LARGE amount of people |
| 12:59:14 | scorche | in beta, apparently |
| 12:59:33 | * | scorche sighs at "web 2.0" |
| 12:59:43 | bluebrother | ah. I use skype rarely |
| 12:59:45 | scorche | so pervasive now-a-days =/ |
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| 13:04:01 | intgr | What is devcon-w? |
| 13:04:14 | * | scorche points to the topic |
| 13:04:46 | intgr | Oh, "west". |
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| 13:12:44 | JdGordon | ok, this is bloody wierd.... my dads sansa ignores all keypresses in the bootloader using svn code! |
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| 13:14:12 | JdGordon | dan_a: you round? |
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| 13:18:03 | Bagder | regarding the skype idea, I guess we can do it if it works and someone works out the details |
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| 13:19:09 | Bagder | national holiday today, I'll bb tonight |
| 13:20:40 | scorche | alright...i will speak to you later about it then |
| 13:21:38 | * | scorche can likely host and if we go over 10 people, make a skypecast |
| 13:28:12 | JdGordon | hmm... its not a good idea copying a 10% downloaded mi4 onto the dap :p |
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| 13:32:00 | jac0b | does the gigabeat build handle usb or do you have to use the original firmware |
| 13:32:22 | linuxstb | It handles USB. |
| 13:32:43 | jac0b | so there is not need for the original firmware |
| 13:33:16 | GodEater | depends which "bit" of the original firmware you mean |
| 13:33:18 | linuxstb | We still use the bootloader (in flash ROM) of the original firmware, so it needs some files to exist on the disk in order for it to think its loading the original firmware. |
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| 13:34:22 | jac0b | I was thinking of getting one |
| 13:34:31 | jac0b | I need more space |
| 13:34:34 | GodEater | talking of which, anyone know if toffe's made any progress on nuking the contents of the flashrom and replacing it with something we actually like? :) |
| 13:36:12 | jac0b | is the sound better or equal to the original firmware |
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| 13:37:49 | GodEater | no idea - I never used the original firmware |
| 13:38:02 | GodEater | Rockbox is all the firmware I've ever wanted |
| 13:39:08 | linuxstb | jac0b: I think I've read people say it's the same, or maybe even better than the OF. But like GodEater, I've never used the OF |
| 13:39:38 | jac0b | okay thanks for all the help |
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| 14:03:37 | mykl | hi guys |
| 14:04:23 | mykl | plz, when I plug my rockbox ipod to USB, it reboots to apple disk mode , how to prevent this, if possible? thx! |
| 14:04:53 | linuxstb | Hold the MENU button as you insert the cable. |
| 14:05:12 | mykl | have to try, thank You :-) |
| 14:05:58 | mykl | and another issue - after running some plugin, screen backlight turns off and never lights again :( |
| 14:06:23 | linuxstb | Which plugin(s) ? |
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| 14:06:35 | linuxstb | And what are your backlight settings? |
| 14:07:30 | mykl | I've tried it with allways on or either 10s timeout or what ever |
| 14:08:31 | mykl | If I run for example doom game, backlight switches off and aslo after I wuit to main menu, it will never switch on again... I have to reboot rockbox |
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| 14:09:17 | linuxstb | Are you running the official Rockbox build, or a patched version? |
| 14:09:31 | linuxstb | (and which ipod?) |
| 14:09:57 | mykl | I've tried it with latest oficial version and with some COP patched too... I'm running 30GB ipod Video |
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| 14:10:52 | jonah | hey guys, just updated my rockbox on ipod 4th gen and now my scroll wheel won't work |
| 14:11:04 | mykl | I do not use bootmanager, I run rockbox from first partition replaced original apple fw... I think problem is in this... |
| 14:11:31 | mykl | because when I run latest rockbox version, backlight does not switch on during booting... |
| 14:11:48 | mykl | I have to wait to timeout and then it turns on after keypressed |
| 14:12:03 | jac0b | i am trying to use the mediacoder but I don't see the folder for the extenstions |
| 14:12:27 | mykl | jonah> are you sure about using right build ? |
| 14:12:43 | jonah | mykl, well yeah i just put todays current build on there... |
| 14:13:11 | jonah | mykl, i always update every couple of week and just drag latest version on, things have been getting better cept for today |
| 14:13:24 | linuxstb | mykl: Yes, I've experienced backlight problems when not using a bootloader. But once the timeout value kicks in, then it starts working again. |
| 14:14:33 | linuxstb | jonah: What exactly do you mean by "scroll wheel won't work" ? Do any buttons work? Maybe Rockbox just freezes. |
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| 14:15:07 | jonah | linuxstb, yeah all the buttons work left/right,middle,play etc but i can't scroll with the click wheel |
| 14:15:40 | jonah | linuxstb, so i can even press play to resume and it'll play whatever song is there but cos i can't scroll i can't get to much else |
| 14:15:45 | linuxstb | I haven't seen anyone report that before. If you put an older version of Rockbox back on, does it work again? |
| 14:16:10 | jonah | linuxstb, which version should i try, i'm not sure where to find it or what day's build i should use |
| 14:17:05 | mykl | linuxstb > back to the USB > it works, but 1/ it charges although I have USB charging off in menu and 2/ i'm not able mount it as sda device in this time |
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| 14:17:34 | mykl | jonah > http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipod4gray |
| 14:17:45 | linuxstb | mykl: It's expected that you can't mount it - you have prevented the ipod entering disk mode... |
| 14:18:29 | mykl | linuxstb... I C... well I ment... I need mount ipod without rebooting to apple disk mode if possible ? |
| 14:18:39 | linuxstb | mykl: And that USB charging option doesn't do anything on ipods. |
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| 14:19:02 | mykl | okay |
| 14:19:39 | linuxstb | mykl: Then the answer is no - Rockbox doesn't have it's own disk mode implementation, but even if it did, it would take over the ipod entirely and you wouldn't be able to continue using Rockbox. |
| 14:19:54 | mykl | linuxstb > how about RoLo ipod disk mode ? |
| 14:20:26 | linuxstb | That's not working reliably, but the effect would be the same - it would run the disk mode application. |
| 14:20:52 | mykl | okay.. thx for explanation... now it;s clear to me... |
| 14:21:08 | linuxstb | What do you want to prevent? The reboot itself, or the fact that you can't continue to use Rockbox when in disk mode? |
| 14:22:12 | mykl | btw is it bug? after running recording I am not able play any song.... after pressing play buttom song appers to be played, but it does not exacty.... |
| 14:22:25 | linuxstb | Yes, that's a known problem with the ipod recording code. |
| 14:23:13 | mykl | I want to prevent rebboting my ipod on every file transfer... but it seems not to be possible |
| 14:23:59 | mykl | last lame question... does latest official build support coprocessor use ? (COP patch) |
| 14:25:46 | mykl | anyway, guys, rockbox is pretty nice stuff, I like it :-) |
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| 14:26:34 | linuxstb | mykl: The COP patch has been in SVN for a few months. It's only used by mpegplayer at the moment though. |
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| 14:26:51 | jonah | i booted into apple firmware and scroll wheel not working there either, so looks like it's busted?? |
| 14:27:18 | linuxstb | jonah: It would seem so. As I said, I've never heard anyone else report that issue in Rockbox. |
| 14:27:33 | mykl | I know, I've tried some mpeg files anf it's quite slow.... it does not support boardcom codec yet ... maybe later :) |
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| 14:28:16 | mykl | jonah: try to upload new firmware maybe it will help ? |
| 14:28:29 | mykl | jonah: try to upload new firmware maybe it will help ? |
| 14:28:54 | jonah | mykl, upload new firmware? |
| 14:28:58 | mykl | jonah > you can find it here: http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 14:29:35 | jonah | mykl, what is it? the new apple firmware? |
| 14:30:01 | jonah | mykl, i've got 4g greyscale, how do i know which one it is? there are a couple... and also what do i do with it? |
| 14:30:04 | amiconn | mykl: If you can convince broadcom to hand out the chip docs, then it will perhaps be supported one day |
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| 14:31:26 | mykl | jonah > choose one with the highest number for 4G it is 10.3.1.1 |
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| 14:32:13 | mykl | amiconn > yup, I underestand... :-/ |
| 14:32:17 | jonah | mykl, ok downloaded that but i'm on linux, how do i use it... |
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| 14:33:34 | JdGordon | does anyone know if we can open a file on an external card without knowing the volume "name"? (i.e without /<MMC1>) ? |
| 14:34:24 | mykl | you can use ipodflasher to do it |
| 14:35:04 | amiconn | JdGordon: ? |
| 14:35:33 | amiconn | In rockbox you always need the absolute path to open a file. The "mount point" is part of it |
| 14:35:42 | jonah | mykl, where is ipod flasher found for ubuntu? |
| 14:35:44 | linuxstb | jonah: unzip the .ipsw file, then "dd" the Firmware-X.Y.Z file to the first partition (e.g. /dev/sda1 if your ipod is /dev/sda). |
| 14:35:53 | JdGordon | so we cant open it relative to a volume number? |
| 14:36:07 | amiconn | nope |
| 14:36:10 | linuxstb | jonah: Your ipod will then prompt you to connect the charger whilst it reflashes - make sure you do, and don't interrupt that process. |
| 14:36:14 | mykl | jonah > linux version is here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/linux32x86/ipodpatcher |
| 14:36:30 | jonah | linuxstb, ah ok |
| 14:36:35 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why would you want to do that? |
| 14:36:42 | mykl | yup, allso possible use dd command :) |
| 14:37:11 | amiconn | Besides, the <MMCx> name is easily derived from the volume number, as the string format is a runtime constant |
| 14:37:18 | amiconn | (defined at compile time) |
| 14:37:37 | JdGordon | amiconn: trying to give cards individual id's and use tha id for the volume name |
| 14:37:47 | linuxstb | Wasn't there a suggestion to display the volume name instead <MMCn> ? |
| 14:37:50 | JdGordon | unless we can get the id from the card hardware instead of a file |
| 14:37:54 | linuxstb | ^instead of |
| 14:38:24 | JdGordon | didnt we decide usin the actual volume name could lead to duplicates? |
| 14:38:30 | amiconn | JdGordon: The idea was to use a volume id for the database. For file display I would keep the current method |
| 14:39:09 | amiconn | We might show the volume name if it's present, but internally we should keep the generic name. Otherwise paths would break if the volume is renamed |
| 14:39:30 | JdGordon | either way.. the strings are in dir.c so they would need to be moved somehwere else... unless we put a char* get_volume_name() in dir.c? |
| 14:39:32 | amiconn | And a fixed volume name helps creating playlists on the PC. |
| 14:39:51 | JdGordon | ok, that makes sense |
| 14:40:05 | mykl | linuxstb: please, is there any easy way how to find out, if I have 5G or 5.5G ipod version ? |
| 14:40:20 | jonah | linuxstb, hi i'm a bit stuck can you guide me how to dd it back on to ipod? i think my ipod is sdf |
| 14:40:24 | linuxstb | mykl: What sector size does ipodpatcher report? |
| 14:40:30 | JdGordon | Id like t be able to open /<MMC%d>/.rbcardid on an insert |
| 14:40:42 | jonah | linuxstb, will this destroy all my music and rockbox stuff? |
| 14:41:04 | linuxstb | jonah: "dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sdf1" If you type "fdisk -l /dev/sdf" then that will show you the partition table to help you make sure it's the right device. |
| 14:41:12 | mykl | dd if=file of=/dev/sda1 |
| 14:41:16 | linuxstb | jonah: No, all your music is on /dev/sdf2 |
| 14:42:30 | mykl | linuxstb: it says 2048bytes |
| 14:43:03 | linuxstb | Then it's a 5.5g. Although I'm not sure what (if any) hardware differences there are. |
| 14:43:06 | mykl | jonah > nop it destroys just bootmanager (if any) and rockbox loader |
| 14:43:07 | jonah | linuxstb, ok it says it's copied it |
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| 14:43:52 | mykl | linuxstb > it should be, because different firmwares from apple released for 5 and 5.5G |
| 14:43:57 | linuxstb | jonah: OK, make sure you can't still see a disk activity icon on your ipod's screen, and if so, unplug it. |
| 14:44:10 | mykl | :) |
| 14:44:14 | linuxstb | mykl: But apart from the different sector size, the same Rockbox works on both... |
| 14:44:19 | mykl | how about some rmmod usb-storage ? :) |
| 14:45:00 | mykl | linuxstb > Yup, you are right :P |
| 14:45:08 | jonah | linuxstb, ok it asked for charger as you said so i've plugged it in |
| 14:45:41 | jonah | linuxstb, and it's on, but again scroll wheel not working... |
| 14:45:58 | mykl | jonah > so it seems to be hardware error |
| 14:46:18 | mykl | maybe cold joint on connector stuf ? |
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| 14:46:47 | mykl | sorry for my english anyway :))) |
| 14:47:45 | jonah | WOW it's working, i just flicked the hold on and off again and it started scrolling!!! |
| 14:48:16 | mykl | great |
| 14:48:39 | mykl | now try it with new rockbox and I'm pretty sure it will work too |
| 14:49:34 | jonah | how do i get rock box on now!! |
| 14:50:14 | mykl | jonah > download ipodpatcher I've send You the link first |
| 14:50:46 | mykl | then You it to install bootmanager or rockbox .. as You want... |
| 14:51:06 | mykl | ^use |
| 14:51:19 | jonah | mykl, ok got that, can you guide me how to use it... what do i do? |
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| 14:52:32 | mykl | jonah > follow this link please |
| 14:52:51 | mykl | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray.pdf |
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| 14:53:38 | mykl | hope You've got some xpdf viewer or what... if not, it's also html version :) |
| 14:54:09 | mykl | page 14 says how to install it under linux |
| 14:57:03 | jonah | mykl, but if i still have rockbox on my ipod not sure which bit i need to do |
| 14:57:26 | linuxstb | jonah: Just the bootloader step - i.e. download ipodpatcher, run it and select "i" for install. |
| 14:57:43 | mykl | yup |
| 14:58:10 | mykl | run ipodpatcher without any parameter and then press i key and enter.. that's all |
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| 15:01:44 | linuxstb | jonah: Someone with the exact opposite problem to you - maybe combine ipods? :) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10558.0 |
| 15:02:11 | mykl | linuxstb : thanks for Your time answering my stupid qest :) got to go... have a great day! |
| 15:02:26 | mykl | lol |
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| 15:04:51 | jonah | haha thanks |
| 15:04:56 | aliask | What's the << button on iPod pads special name (in #defines) |
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| 15:06:21 | linuxstb | Just BUTTON_LEFT |
| 15:06:41 | linuxstb | There's LEFT, RIGHT, MENU and PLAY |
| 15:07:06 | aliask | Oh, oops. And SCROLL_BACK/FORWARDS |
| 15:07:24 | aliask | FWD... |
| 15:08:26 | aliask | Oh, by the way linuxstb do you know any reason recently when people have removed .rockbox, the bootloader fails to boot the OF? |
| 15:09:57 | linuxstb | I think the decision was made to display an error message when .rockbox isn't found (so users know why Rockbox isn't booting), rather than just silently starting the OF. But from reports, it sounds like that message isn't being displayed... |
| 15:10:56 | aliask | Is there a way to get it to boot the OF? |
| 15:11:11 | linuxstb | Turn the hold switch on |
| 15:11:54 | linuxstb | (immediately after resetting your ipod) |
| 15:12:36 | aliask | Oh so that still works. I was thinking we might have some hard to recover iPods appearing... |
| 15:12:41 | JdGordon | well, I got .b_cardid working.. but in tree.c so its not perfect |
| 15:12:49 | JdGordon | .rb_cardid* |
| 15:15:35 | linuxstb | aliask: No, ipods are never hard to recover. |
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| 15:17:39 | aliask | Never? Even if you overwrite the harddrive partition? |
| 15:17:50 | mykl | aliask > you can always put Your ipod to disk mode and do anything with it |
| 15:18:08 | aliask | Is that in flash or something? |
| 15:18:37 | mykl | yup, ipod has own flash that does not change installing rockbox or bootloader or anything |
| 15:18:51 | aliask | Very handy |
| 15:19:15 | mykl | the rest of firmware is stored on first partition of hd |
| 15:21:29 | mykl | anybody knows why the firmware partition on ipod is so big? less then 50% is used.... can I shrink it or does it have affect something ? |
| 15:23:08 | JdGordon | the rest is used for hibernation isnt it? |
| 15:23:16 | Nico_P | linuxstb: your checkwps patch is looks nice :) |
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| 15:25:59 | mykl | I c... thx |
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| 15:31:22 | mykl | linuxstb: can I run several rockbox versions using loader2.4 bootloader ? it would be possible, woudn;t it? :) |
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| 15:34:48 | intgr | Should I bother reporting trivial bugs in rbutil? |
| 15:34:51 | linuxstb | mykl: Yes. But unless they can share the same .rockbox folder (same version of plugins and codecs, same config.cfg file etc) you'll need to make the different Rockbox versions look for differently named ".rockbxo" folders. |
| 15:35:14 | linuxstb | intgr: Yes, I think so. We want to get rbutil released... |
| 15:35:27 | intgr | linuxstb: Ok. |
| 15:35:56 | iluva | hello everyone |
| 15:36:08 | iluva | i think i could need some help :D |
| 15:36:34 | iluva | i installed rockbox on my ipod 5th gen and it worked like a charm |
| 15:36:48 | iluva | but now, 2 days after i cant boot my ipod anymore |
| 15:37:07 | linuxstb | Tried charging it? |
| 15:37:12 | iluva | and when i connect USB it wont show the disk anymore, not does the ipod boot |
| 15:37:30 | iluva | sadly i just have the usb charger |
| 15:37:55 | linuxstb | Plug the cable in, and then press and hold MENU+SELECT for about 30 seconds. If that doesn't turn the ipod on, just wait and try again. |
| 15:38:05 | linuxstb | And also make sure the hold switch is off... |
| 15:38:18 | iluva | ok i'll try :D thx |
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| 15:41:50 | iluva | but isn't it weird that when i connect the ipod it doens't come up even in the syslogs? |
| 15:42:24 | linuxstb | No, not if the ipod isn't talking - i.e. it isn't in disk mode. |
| 15:42:45 | linuxstb | The USB is implemented in software on the ipods |
| 15:43:04 | iluva | eah, makes sense |
| 15:43:53 | intgr | Does it show up in lsusb? |
| 15:44:17 | iluva | no |
| 15:44:28 | moos | aliask: nice patch ! :) |
| 15:46:12 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Do you think checkwps is a useful tool, or will people just use the sim? |
| 15:46:22 | iluva | perhaps i try to organize a power charcher, 'cos it doesn't charge by usb @ the moment |
| 15:46:50 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I think it's useful...a ctually I had thought of doing something similar |
| 15:46:59 | moos | bah, didn't notice aliask is out, I spoke about this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7180 |
| 15:47:20 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it's nicer than to use the sim |
| 15:48:02 | linuxstb | Nico_P: BTW, did you notice the three functions I moved to wps_parser.c ? Do you think that makes sense? |
| 15:48:39 | linuxstb | It seems to be a general problem in the apps/ code that files are not modular - i.e. everything seems to rely on everything else... |
| 15:48:47 | Nico_P | yes I saw that... they're not used in the parser are they ? but you wanted to avoid having to link with gwps-common.c ? |
| 15:49:17 | linuxstb | They must be used somewhere, as gcc complained about at least the last one being missing. |
| 15:49:32 | linuxstb | So I thought it made sense to move all three, rather than just the one I needed. |
| 15:49:33 | iluva | thx a lot linuxstb, it reworks right now, it was fully discharged |
| 15:49:35 | Nico_P | well at one point the parser was perfectly separate from the rest, but its' not really the case anymore |
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| 15:51:29 | Nico_P | ah right, wps_last_token_index is used in wps_debug.c |
| 15:54:03 | linuxstb | I didn't really look into the details of what the code was doing - so if you want to try and make my patch better, please do. |
| 15:54:46 | Nico_P | I'll try to have a look but I doubt I'll have time for that today |
| 15:55:26 | olle_ | int main(int argc, char* argv[]) |
| 15:55:26 | olle_ | { |
| 15:55:26 | olle_ | //vars |
| 15:55:26 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK olle_ |
| 15:55:26 | olle_ | char codes[5][255][255]; |
| 15:55:26 | olle_ | char codenum[5][255]; |
| 15:55:27 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 15:55:27 | olle_ | int count[5][255][255]; |
| 15:55:29 | olle_ | char key[5][255]; |
| 15:55:31 | olle_ | |
| 15:55:33 | olle_ | //buffers |
| 15:55:35 | olle_ | char plain[256]; |
| 15:55:37 | olle_ | char crypt[256]; |
| 15:55:39 | olle_ | |
| 15:55:41 | olle_ | int blocksum,blockcheck,sum,check; |
| 15:55:43 | olle_ | int type,num,codeone,c,numone; |
| 15:55:45 | olle_ | int hasread=0; |
| 15:55:46 | linuxstb | olle_: Please stop that... |
| 15:55:46 | Nico_P | err, please use pastebin |
| 15:55:47 | olle_ | |
| 15:55:49 | olle_ | if(argc<3) { |
| 15:55:51 | olle_ | printf("checksummer: error: not enough arguments\nUsage: ./checksummer plain_file encrypted_file\n"); |
| 15:55:53 | olle_ | return 1; |
| 15:55:55 | olle_ | } |
| 15:55:57 | olle_ | printf("using plain file: %s\n",argv[1]); |
| 15:55:59 | olle_ | printf("using encrypted file: %s\n",argv[2]); |
| 15:56:01 | olle_ | FILE* decf=fopen(argv[1],"rb"); |
| 15:56:03 | olle_ | if(decf==0) { |
| 15:56:05 | olle_ | printf("error opening plain file\n"); |
| 15:56:06 | intgr | ... |
| 15:56:07 | olle_ | return 1; |
| 15:56:09 | olle_ | } |
| 15:56:11 | olle_ | FILE* encf=fopen(argv[2],"rb"); |
| 15:56:13 | olle_ | if(encf==0) { |
| 15:56:15 | olle_ | printf("error opening encrypted file\n"); |
| 15:56:17 | olle_ | return 1; |
| 15:56:19 | olle_ | } |
| 15:56:20 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:56:20 | * | linuxstb pings amiconn, scorche, preglow, Llorean, (any op....) |
| 15:56:21 | olle_ | printf("Collecting information...\n"); |
| 15:56:23 | olle_ | printf("getc decf %d getc encf %d ",getc(decf),getc(encf)); |
| 15:56:25 | olle_ | //read files |
| 15:56:27 | olle_ | while((fread(plain,1,250,decf)==250) && (fread(crypt,1,256,encf)==256)){ |
| 15:56:29 | olle_ | printf("block"); |
| 15:56:31 | olle_ | hasread=1; |
| 15:56:35 | olle_ | oops |
| 15:56:41 | olle_ | so sorry |
| 15:56:43 | olle_ | i'm sorry, it was a mistake |
| 15:58:10 | Nico_P | oh I had forgotten that we are soon going to have a devcon :) |
| 15:58:50 | linuxstb | Yes, let's hope nothing silly happens like someone suggesting we make a release... :) |
| 15:58:59 | Nico_P | haha |
| 15:59:01 | moos | hahaha XD |
| 15:59:04 | markun | linuxstb: I'll do my best to prevent that :) |
| 15:59:08 | markun | hi moos btw :) |
| 15:59:14 | moos | salute |
| 15:59:26 | mykl | :) gtg too... God bless |
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| 16:18:09 | preglow | linuxstb: waht |
| 16:18:16 | preglow | oh... |
| 16:19:21 | preglow | what i like about irssi is it asking you before spamming more than 5 lines to any channel |
| 16:19:30 | preglow | now, if only everybody would use irssi... |
| 16:20:18 | intgr | Too bad it's a hack though. |
| 16:20:20 | linuxstb | preglow: Sorry to disturb you... |
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| 16:21:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: Oddly enough, I don't have ops here |
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| 16:22:45 | linuxstb | Llorean: OK, I thought everyone apart from me did... |
| 16:23:01 | * | linuxstb wouldn't know how to use them anyway |
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| 16:23:28 | Llorean | Same here, pretty much |
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| 16:31:50 | Nico_P | Konversation also asks before sending the content of the paperclip when it has several lines |
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| 16:36:36 | _kch_ | hi, an "easy question". How can I start a random play? I mean, like I can do with the apple FW when |
| 16:37:02 | Llorean | _kch_: The channel guidelines ask that you read the manual first. |
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| 16:37:44 | _kch_ | thanks Llorean |
| 16:38:17 | mpeccorini | Llorean: while I understand the policy, is it ok if I answer the question? |
| 16:38:37 | Llorean | I can't stop you. ;) |
| 16:38:54 | mpeccorini | you can ban/kick me I assume hahahaha |
| 16:39:32 | mpeccorini | _kch_: you should go to settings->general settings->playback->shuffle and select "on" |
| 16:39:54 | Llorean | The quick menu is easier. |
| 16:40:01 | mpeccorini | which is? |
| 16:40:10 | Llorean | From most screens, just hold down the menu button, and you'll get a "Quick" menu, which lets you change Shuffle, Repeat, and File View settings easily |
| 16:41:03 | mpeccorini | will that leave the setting enabled after you shutdown the juke box? |
| 16:41:09 | Llorean | Yes |
| 16:41:14 | mpeccorini | good, thanks |
| 16:41:17 | Llorean | It's just like changing it through the normal menus, it's just a shortcut |
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| 16:42:06 | _kch_ | yes, but if I put shuffle on, if I press FWD while playing it don't swith to a new song |
| 16:42:18 | mpeccorini | sure it does ! |
| 16:42:35 | bluebrother | you can also use "insert shuffled" from the context menu on a file / folder |
| 16:42:59 | Llorean | _kch_: You need to have more than one song in your playlist for it to be useful, of course |
| 16:43:08 | bluebrother | "shuffle" only shuffles the playlist, it does not shuffle other songs on the player (like other firmwares do) |
| 16:43:16 | _kch_ | I do no have a playlist, only the dinamic one |
| 16:43:28 | Llorean | The dynamic one will work |
| 16:43:37 | bluebrother | if you want a similar behaviour you can create a root playlist containing all files on the player and shuffle this |
| 16:43:59 | bluebrother | but the dynamic playlist works exactly like saved playlists, it's just not a saved playlist ;-) |
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| 16:48:12 | mpeccorini | bluebrother: I have a dilemma about a patch for chessbox |
| 16:48:45 | mpeccorini | I'm planning to write a whole lot of functions for it to become a viewer, load/store games in PGN, have a menu, etc, etc |
| 16:49:02 | mpeccorini | if that's the case, should I still make one patch for every single feature? |
| 16:50:09 | mpeccorini | I have made a patch for storing PGN files only, but linuxstb suggested the viewer idea (taken from the sudoku plugin) and I think it's a great idea ! |
| 16:50:36 | Llorean | They should be split somewhat |
| 16:50:54 | Llorean | PGN support could include the viewer association for .pgn files, so that could all be one |
| 16:51:00 | Llorean | But the menu should be a separate patch probably |
| 16:51:33 | mpeccorini | the proble is I don't have more button mappings available, so I need a menu |
| 16:52:01 | mpeccorini | perhaps making a menu first would make sense even though it wouldn't have new features |
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| 16:52:10 | mpeccorini | what do you think? |
| 16:52:12 | Llorean | Makes sense to me at least. |
| 16:52:22 | mpeccorini | ok, good |
| 16:52:22 | linuxstb | Most plugin menus started out small and then grew... |
| 16:52:34 | Llorean | I'm kinda surprised Chessbox doesn't have one already |
| 16:52:36 | mpeccorini | Hi linuxstb |
| 16:52:40 | linuxstb | hi |
| 16:52:46 | mpeccorini | I read your comment on the patch and the idea is wonderful ! |
| 16:52:49 | _kch_ | thanks to all |
| 16:52:59 | mpeccorini | no problem _kch_ |
| 16:53:40 | mpeccorini | well, according to a comment in the source code, Miguel Arevalo doesn't like config screens ;) |
| 16:54:15 | mpeccorini | I'm going to respect his decision by not calling the menu when the plugin is started |
| 16:54:28 | mpeccorini | but I'll change the "quit" mapping so it calls the menu instead |
| 16:54:49 | linuxstb | mpeccorini: Some devices probably have enough buttons for both a menu and a quit button |
| 16:55:05 | mpeccorini | probably, but mine doesn't :( |
| 16:55:24 | mpeccorini | I'm glad to contribute, but I want to use the feature myself hahahahahahaha |
| 16:55:38 | linuxstb | I'm just saying there is no need to remove the quit button everywhere - just on targets with a button shortage |
| 16:55:47 | mpeccorini | Ohh, I see |
| 16:56:06 | mpeccorini | well, that's why I posted in the mailing list asking about the button mappings for other targets. |
| 16:56:37 | mpeccorini | I've had some feedback and I'll make sure it works as smooth as possible in all the targets |
| 16:57:12 | mpeccorini | Jonathan Gordon pointed out there are "generic" mappings in a pluginlib_actions.h file and I'm planning to use them |
| 16:57:28 | linuxstb | All you need to do is put "#ifdef CB_QUIT" around the code to handle the quit button, and not define it for some targets. |
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| 17:00:35 | mpeccorini | I will |
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| 17:56:35 | jackfusion | hi all |
| 17:56:55 | Javacat | Do force rockbox to completely rebuild the media database do I just delete all of the database_*.tcd files under .rockbox? |
| 17:59:41 | jackfusion | has any one had it when they download, extract current build and daily build then boot into rockbox and goto a plugin that it says incompatible version? |
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| 18:03:00 | petur | jackfusion: make sure the plugin was also overwritten (ie it was also in the zip) |
| 18:03:27 | petur | and that rockbox.xxx is in the .rockbox dir and not in the root |
| 18:03:51 | petur | and that you're using the latest bootloader if you installed some time ago |
| 18:03:52 | ptw419 | i've managed to write to the framebuffer in the Gigabeat S and get my own code working :) |
| 18:04:01 | ptw419 | one step closer to a port |
| 18:04:05 | linuxstb | \o/ |
| 18:04:16 | petur | wow |
| 18:04:32 | linuxstb | Congratulations. What is the process for running your own code? |
| 18:05:11 | ptw419 | using the method that Zunepet did |
| 18:05:40 | ptw419 | basically i injected my code into the start address of the firmware |
| 18:05:53 | ptw419 | not the bootloader but the wince firmware file |
| 18:06:07 | linuxstb | Is that encrypted and/or signed? |
| 18:06:26 | ptw419 | i then wrote a byte to the start of the framebuffer + (320*240) |
| 18:06:47 | ptw419 | it was but zunepet was able to bypass the signature |
| 18:07:07 | ptw419 | er framebuffer +(320*240-1) |
| 18:07:25 | linuxstb | Has he posted about that anywhere? |
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| 18:08:33 | ptw419 | not publicly but I am probably going to post it because i don't think he is working on it anymore. |
| 18:08:43 | ptw419 | if you asked him he shared it though |
| 18:09:22 | ptw419 | all it involves is writing an instruction into the bootloader that disabled the signature check |
| 18:10:01 | linuxstb | A page in the wiki would be a nice permanent record. |
| 18:10:51 | ptw419 | yes will do :) |
| 18:10:58 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 18:11:02 | ptw419 | i just confirmed it |
| 18:11:23 | ptw419 | i was able to do just a few pixels last night but i managed to get the whole screen to turn a certain color today |
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| 18:11:41 | btdubs | awesome |
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| 18:12:20 | jackfusion | does the windows installer work for ipodvideo v5 60gig? |
| 18:14:09 | Llorean | Do you mean RButil or iPodPatcher, or what? |
| 18:16:16 | linuxstb | jackfusion: All official Rockbox install tools (i.e. downloaded from rockbox.org) work with the ipod video. |
| 18:16:47 | jackfusion | sorry mistake what I am wondering is is there a way to update the bootloader? without having to start from scratch |
| 18:17:14 | linuxstb | updating the bootloader is the same as installing it from scratch - just download and run the latest ipodpatcher.exe and select "i" for install. |
| 18:17:56 | linuxstb | (detailed instructions and download link are in Install chapter in the manual) |
| 18:18:42 | jackfusion | thank u |
| 18:18:50 | jackfusion | sorry you |
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| 18:26:05 | x1jmp | Hi, I'm on Debian Sid and unable to compile the sim, I always get 'collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]' |
| 18:26:27 | x1jmp | the binutils are up to date |
| 18:27:55 | linuxstb | x1jmp: I think it's a known problem with binutils. amiconn said the latest binutils were working on amd64, but someone else reported they were still broken on x86. |
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| 18:29:20 | x1jmp | I'm also on x86, does a downgrade help? |
| 18:29:20 | My_Sic | hello every one |
| 18:29:39 | linuxstb | x1jmp: I think so, but I'm not sure what the last good version is. |
| 18:29:44 | daniel2024 | thanks to Mike Sevakis (and anyone else) for the recent improvements to the e200 −− sound quality is amazing now, great job guys and keep up the good work |
| 18:29:55 | My_Sic | need help |
| 18:29:56 | My_Sic | what's the tag to display the autoscore in a WPS ? Can't find it on the wiki. |
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| 18:31:47 | jackfusion | if I have ipod linux install will ipodpatcher screw it up? |
| 18:35:49 | My_Sic | anyone knows ? |
| 18:36:22 | linuxstb | jackfusion: ipodpatcher installs the Rockbox bootloader... |
| 18:36:56 | linuxstb | Which will replace the ipodlinux bootloader |
| 18:38:34 | jackfusion | nuts |
| 18:40:02 | linuxstb | jackfusion: What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:40:58 | x1jmp | Are menus without title possible in rockbox? |
| 18:41:15 | jackfusion | update the rockbox bootloader without loss the ipodlinux bootloader. |
| 18:41:35 | linuxstb | jackfusion: That makes no sense - you either use the ipodlinux bootloader or the Rockbox one. |
| 18:42:07 | jackfusion | to see it will fix the incompatiblity problem I am having. |
| 18:42:46 | linuxstb | What incompatibility problem? Why don't you just explain the original problem, and how your ipod is currently set up? |
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| 18:43:29 | jackfusion | I have right at the beinging has any one had it when they download, extract current build and daily build then boot into rockbox and goto a plugin that it says incompatible version? |
| 18:44:13 | linuxstb | That means your plugins are not from the same version of Rockbox as the rockbox.ipod file. The bootloader is irrelevant. |
| 18:44:17 | Llorean | That means that your rockbox.ipod file is from a different build than your plugins. |
| 18:44:39 | jackfusion | oh ok |
| 18:44:39 | Llorean | If you're using the ipodlinux bootloader, which it sounds like you are, it's probably looking for the .ipod file in the root rather than in the /.rockbox/ folder. |
| 18:44:59 | Llorean | I bet if you check you'll find you have two rockbox.ipod files on your device, with the newer (up to date) one being in /.rockbox/ |
| 18:45:27 | jackfusion | oh ok now I see |
| 18:46:43 | jackfusion | thank you for your help. |
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| 18:49:02 | * | austriancoder is happy that his sansa sounds as good as the original fw |
| 18:49:44 | jackfusion | the new and improved rockbox is a lot different then the one I had before I like it better. |
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| 18:52:06 | jackfusion | dose the database look in the ipod orginal firmware for the music and movies? |
| 18:52:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:52:20 | Llorean | No. |
| 18:52:30 | Llorean | It scans the music files on your device and indexes them itself |
| 18:52:42 | Llorean | Rockbox's video format is different from the iPod video format so we don't do anything with those videos. |
| 18:52:57 | jackfusion | cool |
| 18:53:21 | Llorean | On an unrelated note entirely: Although this is probably quite a good thing, does this belong in the patch tracker or should I suggest it be moved to a wiki page? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7182 (ARM Disassembler apparently) |
| 18:54:02 | RockingD | i'm failing to run test_codec plugin by copying to /.rockbox/viewers and using 'open with' in a file browser. what am i doing wrong? |
| 18:55:37 | Llorean | Did you add it to the viewers.config file? |
| 18:55:55 | jackfusion | but if I have my music database is in the ipod apple format database |
| 18:55:58 | RockingD | no. thanks for notice |
| 18:56:14 | Llorean | jackfusion: That's not a question, so I don't know what you're trying to ask. |
| 18:56:27 | linuxstb | RockingD: I have the line "wav,viewers/test_codec,-" at the top of my viewers.config (so test_codec appears first in the list) |
| 18:56:36 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't care about any existing database. All it cares about are what format the files are in, and if they have proper tags, when creating its own database. |
| 18:57:11 | jackfusion | sorry will the rockbox database convert the apple ipod database to a managable format? |
| 18:57:59 | jackfusion | how do I get my music from the apple ipod database? |
| 18:58:46 | Llorean | the music isn't *in* the database. |
| 18:58:50 | Llorean | Just information about the files. |
| 18:59:04 | Llorean | The files are just files, and Rockbox will scan them if they're in compatible formats (specifically, if they aren't bought from the iTunes store) |
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| 19:00:15 | jackfusion | awesome |
| 19:00:26 | RockingD | linuxstb: I'm thinking about mp3 codec optimization for multiple cores. what guidelines should I follow with dual core rb kernel thread programming? are there any special techniques with regard to standard multithreading? |
| 19:00:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think Toni should commit his diassembler to SVN (and his emulator...) |
| 19:01:01 | linuxstb | RockingD: dual-core in Rockbox hasn't really been developed yet... |
| 19:02:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sounds good to me at least. They certainly qualify as /tools/ |
| 19:02:53 | jackfusion | dose rockbox now support doing two things at once meaning I can listen to music and read files on my ipod? |
| 19:03:43 | RockingD | linuxstd: so the ablitity to create thread on COP is just a dummy? :) |
| 19:03:55 | Llorean | jackfusion: It's supported that since before it supported iPods... |
| 19:04:31 | jackfusion | before the update I could not do that. |
| 19:06:39 | bluebrother | before what update? |
| 19:07:02 | jackfusion | thank you for all your help and have a nice day. |
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| 19:10:12 | linuxstb | RockingD: It works for mpegplayer, but doesn't seem to be working when trying to move audio playback to the second core. Other people know more about it than me though. |
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| 19:24:02 | Llorean | Is -39 really as low as the we can get volume on the Sansa? |
| 19:24:13 | linuxstb | RockingD: Have you managed to run test_codec on your 3g yet? I'm curious to know the results.... |
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| 19:29:10 | mpeccorini | fellows, can I "svn update" a single file from the repository? |
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| 19:31:57 | courtc | svn operates on repository revisions, unlike some other versioning system. |
| 19:32:21 | courtc | It's possible, but svn won't know what's going on. |
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| 19:33:45 | Llorean | Why exactly do you only want to update one file? |
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| 19:35:03 | cadkins | is there any word on when video support for the iPod 5.5 is coming? |
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| 19:35:53 | mpeccorini | they are actually 3 files, I made several changes but now I need to get the old source because I need to make separate patches for different features |
| 19:36:13 | Casanoba` | hi |
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| 19:36:51 | pepie34 | linuxstb i have made the deb package for the arm cross compiler |
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| 19:37:09 | pepie34 | is ther a place where i can publish it? |
| 19:37:26 | pepie34 | 25 meg |
| 19:37:54 | Alonea | pepie34: ooo, deb for the cross? as in package file for us poor debian based people? |
| 19:38:06 | mpeccorini | BRB |
| 19:38:07 | pepie34 | yes |
| 19:38:20 | Llorean | cadkins: Mpegplayer already runs on the 5.5g... |
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| 19:39:26 | Alonea | pepie34: oh you lovely person. I had a hell of a time getting cross to work when the file they gave you to get it to work well, didn't work. |
| 19:40:12 | cadkins | Llorean : I put an .mpg file on it and nothing |
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| 19:40:48 | Llorean | cadkins: What exactly do you mean by "and nothing"? |
| 19:41:13 | cadkins | Llorean : doesn't play. Actually doens't even show up |
| 19:41:20 | pepie34 | what??? i can play mpeg on my ipod 5G? |
| 19:41:33 | Alonea | cadkins: what is your file view set up as? music files only? |
| 19:42:03 | pepie34 | well it was built with rockboxdev.sh |
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| 19:42:18 | Llorean | pepie34: Yes, see the mpegplayer wiki page. |
| 19:42:24 | linuxstb | pepie34: Yes, but not very well. You either need to encode at a smaller than full-screen resolution, or at a low (e.g. 10) fps. |
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| 19:42:46 | Alonea | pepie34: ah. ok. Well, I figured out what was wrong with mine. It was some obscure package that made it work..*grumbles* |
| 19:42:48 | webguest39 | good morning |
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| 19:42:54 | Alonea | webguest39: morning! |
| 19:42:58 | pepie34 | flex? |
| 19:43:07 | webguest39 | nop |
| 19:43:36 | obo | has there been any progress on the sansa radio driver? |
| 19:43:40 | Alonea | pepie34: no. I completely forgot what it was, but I had all the gcc stuff and the other stuff on the list. I am on kubuntu |
| 19:44:08 | cadkins | Alonea : I looked at it under "Files" |
| 19:44:23 | cadkins | Alonea : I didn't set the "Database" up. |
| 19:44:26 | pepie34 | do a apt-get build-dep gcc-4.1 it willl help |
| 19:44:44 | Llorean | cadkins: That doesn't answer Alonea's question |
| 19:44:44 | pepie34 | bye for now |
| 19:44:46 | Alonea | cadkins: ah, well, you said you didn't see it, so I thought it wasn't showing up at all |
| 19:44:50 | webguest39 | anybody know how can i put rockbox on ipod nano 2g using windows |
| 19:44:50 | Llorean | cadkins: Which "File view" mode are you in? |
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| 19:45:19 | Llorean | cadkins: The filetree view has various settings such as "Music Only" "Playlists Only" "Supported Files" or "All files" |
| 19:45:28 | Llorean | webguest39: Generation 2 Nanos are not supported. |
| 19:45:59 | webguest39 | is a 2g nano |
| 19:46:09 | Llorean | Do you mean 2 Gigabyte? |
| 19:46:15 | webguest39 | yes |
| 19:46:20 | Llorean | Then simply follow the manual |
| 19:46:32 | webguest39 | thy a lot of them |
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| 19:46:46 | Llorean | There is only one Rockbox manual for the iPod Nano. |
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| 19:47:18 | ptw419 | has anyone been able to extract the nk.bin for the Creative Vision M? |
| 19:47:31 | webguest39 | i try the ipod nano 1g and dint wokr |
| 19:47:35 | cadkins | Llorean : sorry. New to this. I have the jBuild on mine. Where would I find this? |
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| 19:47:49 | Alonea | Llorean: I noticed sometimes when I put a new version of rockbox on it resets that view to music files only. |
| 19:47:55 | Llorean | cadkins: Try reading the manual and searching for File View, but jbuild may predate mpegplayer working |
| 19:48:02 | Llorean | cadkins: Unsupported builds can be very outdated. |
| 19:48:16 | Llorean | Alonea: Never done that to me. Are you sure you don't sometimes bump the quick menu? |
| 19:48:27 | Llorean | webguest39: 1g means "1st generation" |
| 19:48:34 | Llorean | webguest39: Is your nano definitely a 1st generation nano? |
| 19:48:57 | webguest39 | it looks like the one in the pic |
| 19:49:17 | Llorean | Then if you follow the instructions in the official manual it will work. |
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| 19:49:29 | Llorean | What happens when you run ipodpatcher? |
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| 19:49:34 | Alonea | Llorean: have no idea. There was a couple times the build I was using was quite squirrley as it is. happened to get the latest at a bad time. Crashed quite a bit too at that point. Screens were kinda popping all over the place so who knows at that point. It is all good now though |
| 19:49:43 | webguest39 | theres no intruction |
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| 19:50:01 | Llorean | webguest39: See the "Manual" link on EVERY page of the site? That's where the instructions are... |
| 19:50:02 | webguest39 | iget a rockbox zi |
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| 19:50:52 | Llorean | Alonea: Strange. Which player do you have again? |
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| 19:51:30 | cadkins | Llorean : thanks for the info. I'll check it out with jBuild. Anyone have a suggestion for something a little more "eye-pleaseing" than default ? |
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| 19:51:33 | Alonea | Llorean: gigabeat. this happened a few weeks ago. I only update about once a week. |
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| 19:52:13 | webguest35 | when i get a zip file what do i do with the file on it .. i try puting it on the nano and dont work |
| 19:52:23 | Llorean | Alonea: Ah, so during all the bugginess, gotcha. |
| 19:52:30 | Llorean | webguest35: I've told you several times now, READ THE MANUAL |
| 19:52:50 | Llorean | webguest35: Look for a link that says "Manual" on any page of the official Rockbox website. |
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| 19:53:18 | Alonea | Llorean: indeed. it happens. Though trying to turn your rockbox back on and off when it crashes in the car is fun...good ole red lights |
| 19:53:31 | Llorean | I know whatcha mean. |
| 19:53:38 | Llorean | The H120 was much worse. |
| 19:53:53 | Llorean | Some of the crashes required the use of a reset pinhole, I used to keep a paperclip on my keychain just for it. |
| 19:54:13 | Alonea | Llorean: awesome. I had to use battery switch to reset it on mine |
| 19:54:33 | Llorean | Basically the same thing, the switch is just oh so much easier to use. :) |
| 19:54:41 | Llorean | My H120 has been retired to a home stereo component. |
| 19:55:15 | Alonea | I bet. Pin holes are evil. What is so wrong with switches instead of near unobtainable buttons? |
| 19:55:48 | Llorean | Well, I mean in theory official firmware should never require its use anyway |
| 19:56:36 | Llorean | Ah well. 'tis lunchtime. |
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| 20:07:48 | webguest35 | i got rockbox work but the word are so small |
| 20:08:33 | webguest35 | any help |
| 20:09:56 | webguest35 | need help with Rockbox |
| 20:09:57 | Alonea | webguest35: did you look at all the different menus in the manual? there are text settings. |
| 20:10:15 | webguest35 | lol there so small |
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| 20:12:18 | Alonea | some people like small text. but like I said, read the manual, as in the whole thing, and you should find all the information you need |
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| 20:13:42 | webguest35 | nop non |
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| 20:15:59 | webguest35 | the world are so small |
| 20:16:18 | Alldogship | I think you can add bigger fonts |
| 20:16:33 | webguest35 | how |
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| 20:16:55 | Alldogship | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 20:17:14 | Alldogship | there should be instructions somewhere on how to install (I'm not a pro) |
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| 20:17:56 | webguest35 | tnks for link |
| 20:18:39 | Alonea | webguest35: did you install the fonts package? |
| 20:19:01 | webguest35 | the fonts do i unzip and intall them right |
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| 20:20:38 | Alldogship | if I remember (with my weird memory), you have to put them in /.rockbox/fonts/ |
| 20:20:43 | Alldogship | I'll try it now |
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| 20:22:04 | webguest35 | how do u intall them |
| 20:22:11 | webguest35 | install |
| 20:23:02 | Alldogship | I think you can unzip it on the disk |
| 20:23:12 | Alldogship | it gives an invisible folder |
| 20:23:51 | Alldogship | ... testing |
| 20:24:03 | webguest35 | dont tnk so |
| 20:24:12 | Alldogship | worked |
| 20:24:21 | webguest35 | nop |
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| 20:24:32 | webguest35 | thres is a themes folder |
| 20:25:03 | Alldogship | lets try steps by steps |
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| 20:25:49 | Alldogship | you unzip and it gives an invisible folder called .rockbox with the folder fonts in it |
| 20:26:46 | Alldogship | if you inzip it on the disk (at root location) the folders should be automatically placed |
| 20:26:54 | Alldogship | *unzip |
| 20:27:28 | Alldogship | I'm curious, what system and what mp3 player? |
| 20:27:29 | webguest35 | ... Backdrops−−- codeecs codepages docs eqs icons langs rocks themes viewers wps ... |
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| 20:27:36 | webguest35 | all folders in ipod |
| 20:27:40 | Alldogship | add a fonts folder |
| 20:28:02 | webguest35 | cant do that |
| 20:28:18 | Alldogship | rockbox folder is invisible |
| 20:29:55 | Alldogship | unzip the package and it should create /.rockbox/fonts (invisible) |
| 20:30:03 | Alldogship | in your directory |
| 20:31:26 | webguest35 | then how do i use them |
| 20:31:30 | Alldogship | I'm using OnyX to reveal invisible folders. it could help you |
| 20:32:28 | Alldogship | your fonts are there? it's in settings-general settings-display-browse fonts |
| 20:33:34 | webguest35 | can do nothing on ipod wold are so small lol] |
| 20:34:11 | Alldogship | is it working now? |
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| 20:35:24 | Alldogship | shouting: Is there anyone who can help me with iPod Mac partition table? |
| 20:36:05 | My_Sic | is it normal that due to rockbox, my ipod take very long time to be detected by Windows and until it's detected, some of my usb device not working ? |
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| 20:38:42 | webguest35 | lol fix it |
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| 20:38:47 | webguest35 | bck to normal ipod |
| 20:38:53 | webguest35 | i goin to try it agen |
| 20:38:56 | webguest35 | lol |
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| 20:46:55 | webguest35 | is it bad when the white apple screen dosent go away lol |
| 20:47:19 | Alldogship | yes |
| 20:47:30 | webguest35 | what do i o |
| 20:47:31 | webguest35 | do |
| 20:48:03 | Alldogship | reboot (select + menu) and as soon as you see the apple do select + play |
| 20:48:10 | Alldogship | this will be disk mode |
| 20:48:24 | Alldogship | or you could put hold on |
| 20:48:38 | Alldogship | see what the problem is |
| 20:49:36 | webguest35 | lucky me lol |
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| 20:50:07 | Alldogship | did you forget the partition or the FAT 32? |
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| 20:50:59 | webguest35 | yea lol |
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| 20:53:16 | Alldogship | how much space do you lose on your ipod because of rockbox? |
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| 21:06:47 | dawn^2 | hi all |
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| 21:07:14 | dawn^2 | some of my mp3 and ogg files do not play well with rockbox... somehow, it sounds like these songs are played too fast |
| 21:07:27 | dawn^2 | any idea how this could be debugged? |
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| 21:09:04 | linuxstb_ | I assume the same files play fine on your computer? |
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| 21:09:32 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: yes |
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| 21:10:12 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: and I was not able to find out what makes the non-playing files different from the well-playing files |
| 21:10:18 | linuxstb | Can you make a couple of files (e.g. one mp3, one ogg) available somewhere for me (and anyone else interested) to download? |
| 21:10:47 | linuxstb | What have you examined? |
| 21:11:34 | dawn^2 | I looked at things like bitrate, vbr and channel mode |
| 21:12:27 | dawn^2 | are any conditions currently known that prevent a mp3 or ogg file from being played well? |
| 21:12:49 | linuxstb | Not the kind of problems you've mentioned. |
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| 21:13:11 | linuxstb | Which device are you running Rockbox on? |
| 21:13:17 | dawn^2 | iaudio x5 |
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| 21:14:08 | linuxstb | Can you host the files somewhere, or dcc them to me? |
| 21:14:35 | linuxstb | I can test them to see I get the same problem. |
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| 21:15:11 | pepie34 | 'night |
| 21:15:44 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: I think i will dcc you them |
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| 21:15:58 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: I quickly have to check which one to begin with |
| 21:16:05 | chrisjs169 | How hard is it to RMA a Sansa? |
| 21:16:26 | linuxstb | pepie34: Regarding your gcc .deb packages, you could ask Bagder if he wants to host them on download.rockbox.org - I know there's been talk of hosting debian packages in the past. |
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| 21:16:40 | pepie34 | ok |
| 21:16:50 | pepie34 | Badger are you here? |
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| 21:17:08 | pepie34 | Bagder sorry |
| 21:17:28 | linuxstb | Earlier today he said he would be around tonight (European time) |
| 21:17:38 | pepie34 | OK |
| 21:17:57 | pepie34 | I have stoped looking at rockbox code quite a time ago |
| 21:18:10 | pepie34 | is the COP in use ? |
| 21:18:59 | linuxstb | It's used by mpegplayer, but still not working in the core. |
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| 21:19:48 | pepie34 | ok |
| 21:20:13 | pepie34 | and you don't have an elf loader and no relocable code for plugin? |
| 21:20:36 | lowlight | dawn^2: resampling issues maybe? are the files 44.1Hz? |
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| 21:20:59 | linuxstb | pepie34: No |
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| 21:21:09 | pepie34 | ok |
| 21:22:53 | dawn^2 | lowlight: yes |
| 21:24:07 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: ok, dcc started |
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| 21:25:11 | linuxstb | dawn^2: It's not coming through for some reason. I don't think it's my end, as I've received files in the past... |
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| 21:26:01 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: ok, probably my firewall.... would you be able to rsync it from my rsync server? |
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| 21:26:50 | * | Lars_G tears his clothes and cuts himself to ribbons |
| 21:27:08 | Lars_G | I had to format my iPod today. I've been rockboxless for three hours and I can't stand it! |
| 21:27:28 | Lars_G | My question is, has the bootloader install changed in the past... 5 months? |
| 21:27:40 | linuxstb | dawn^2: Check your PMs |
| 21:27:49 | Lars_G | And second is there any article on the wiki on how to format an iPod in "windows" mode from linux so it's recognizable by itunes too? |
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| 21:28:12 | linuxstb | Lars_G: A bootloader install involves downloading ipodpatcher, running it, and entering "i" (for install) at the prompt. |
| 21:30:20 | lowlight | dawn^2: but does rockbox recognize them as 44.1kHz? |
| 21:30:42 | Lars_G | linuxstb: ok hasn't changed much it seems. thanks |
| 21:31:18 | dawn^2 | lowlight: yes, at least the file properties show me 44.1khZ |
| 21:31:58 | lowlight | odd that they would play fast |
| 21:32:37 | dawn^2 | well, I'm not exactly sure how I should describe the error |
| 21:32:55 | dawn^2 | maybe, playing too fast is the wrong term |
| 21:33:41 | dawn^2 | probably, it could also be described like the player looses some parts of the audio stream |
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| 21:34:00 | linuxstb | Do you mean that playback pauses? |
| 21:34:20 | Lars_G | Sounds more like cpu issues |
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| 21:34:22 | dawn^2 | no, some things are missing |
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| 21:34:36 | Lars_G | dawn^2: are the missing parts consistent between playbacks? |
| 21:34:47 | dawn^2 | Lars_G: I would say so, yes |
| 21:34:59 | linuxstb | When is the first problem? How many seconds into the track? |
| 21:35:23 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: it's during the whole track. listening for 20secs should be enough |
| 21:35:46 | dawn^2 | I also looked at "View audio thread" in the debug menu |
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| 21:36:00 | Lars_G | dawn^2: You just told us the failure time is consistent so it should start at the same point every time. |
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| 21:36:26 | dawn^2 | Lars_G: well, it happens during the whole track |
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| 21:37:08 | dawn^2 | Lars_G: so it doesn't matter from where to start playing the track (I sent linuxstb a sample ogg file) |
| 21:37:40 | Bagder | pepie34: I'm here now |
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| 21:37:54 | dawn^2 | if I look at the "View audio thread" menu, it also looks similar to the songs that play fine |
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| 21:38:05 | * | Bagder has some fun pics to show in a few minutes |
| 21:38:06 | pepie34 | ok i've got a deb package for the arm cross compiler |
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| 21:38:32 | linuxstb | dawn^2: I've just tested the first 40 seconds on my ipod and it plays fine. I'm just about to test on my iriver h140 |
| 21:38:44 | pepie34 | do you want it for download.rockbox.org |
| 21:39:02 | Bagder | sure! |
| 21:39:22 | pepie34 | How can i upload it? |
| 21:39:37 | Bagder | can I download it from you? |
| 21:39:56 | pepie34 | yes i willl put it on a webpage |
| 21:40:09 | Bagder | great |
| 21:40:39 | linuxstb | dawn^2: It sounds fine on my iriver as well (same CPU as the X5) |
| 21:41:24 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: ok.... any idea how I could find out what causes the problem on my x5? |
| 21:41:26 | Bagder | pepie34: you planning on providing the other compilers too? |
| 21:42:04 | pepie34 | not now |
| 21:42:07 | linuxstb | pepie34: Will it be possible for people to apt-get your package? I don't know what's needed for that... |
| 21:42:36 | pepie34 | Badger but when i will have time |
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| 21:43:02 | pepie34 | linuxstb Badger need to create a debian repository for that |
| 21:43:11 | Bagder | is that hard? |
| 21:43:27 | pepie34 | nope if you run a deb base distribution |
| 21:43:46 | Bagder | we do |
| 21:44:01 | schula | hm, there exists http://www.emdebian.org/ where you can get cross compiler for gcc |
| 21:44:27 | schula | eh arm |
| 21:44:28 | schula | ;) |
| 21:44:29 | Bagder | schula: suitable for us? |
| 21:44:31 | linuxstb | dawn^2: Are you running the very latest build of Rockbox? My versions may be a few days old. |
| 21:45:01 | pepie34 | my connection hangs |
| 21:45:08 | pepie34 | need to go near the AP |
| 21:45:10 | schula | Bagder: i got an linker error, but im not sure why. i have atm no time to investigate it |
| 21:45:23 | Bagder | that sounds like unsuitable then ;-) |
| 21:45:54 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: I'm runing the version from 070421 |
| 21:46:30 | petur | while on the compiler topic (prepping my lapop here): 1) does rockboxdev.sh build the correct (recommended) crosscompilers, 2) do we have a list which versions we should use |
| 21:46:44 | Bagder | it builds the correct versions |
| 21:47:10 | Bagder | 4.0.3 for arm and sh |
| 21:47:15 | Bagder | 3.4.6 for m68k |
| 21:47:19 | Bagder | some patches applied |
| 21:47:21 | linuxstb | dawn^2: You should try the "current build" from the website. I can't remember any recent bugfixes which may solve your problem, but it's always best to test for bugs with the latest version. |
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| 21:47:37 | Bagder | binutils 2.16.1 |
| 21:47:46 | * | petur wonders why make install only creates an empty archos dir (h300 sim) |
| 21:47:57 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: ok, I will try that |
| 21:48:01 | dawn^2 | linuxstb: thanks for your help |
| 21:48:19 | linuxstb | petur: Are you sure there isn't a hidden ".rockbox" folder there? |
| 21:48:58 | pepie34 | ok it is faster now |
| 21:49:07 | petur | linuxstb: bingo |
| 21:49:14 | * | petur slaps forehead |
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| 21:50:42 | petur | still, when I double-click rockboxgui, rockbox tells me there's no .rockbox folder |
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| 21:51:57 | pepie34 | Bagder |
| 21:52:00 | pepie34 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 21:52:18 | pepie34 | you need to use dpkg-scanpackage |
| 21:52:38 | lowlight | hmm would these toolchains work? http://www.emdebian.org/toolchains/search.php?section=devel |
| 21:53:03 | Lars_G | does it works if I stick one finger in the usb port, and one finger in the iPod? I lost my usb cable :'( |
| 21:53:33 | pepie34 | lowlight i can try |
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| 21:54:30 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/mugs/ |
| 21:54:42 | pepie34 | but at least it does not apply rockbox patch |
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| 21:55:59 | petur | Bagder: nice ;) |
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| 21:56:30 | linuxstb | Bagder: Beer mugs next year though? |
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| 21:56:46 | * | petur votes beer mugs too |
| 21:57:08 | pepie34 | :) |
| 21:57:13 | Domonoky | for Beer they need to be bigger :-) |
| 21:57:21 | Bagder | well, I figure coffee is more frequently used in combination with rockbox hacking... |
| 21:57:30 | Bagder | or perhaps, should be ;-) |
| 21:57:33 | * | linuxstb requests espresso cups |
| 21:57:49 | olle_ | is there tshirts? |
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| 21:57:53 | bluebrother | petur, how did you run rockboxui? You need to run it from the build as current folder |
| 21:58:06 | Bagder | the shirts should arrive here tomorrow... |
| 21:58:17 | * | Llorean envies the mugs |
| 21:58:25 | * | Llorean is still looking for something unique for -W attendees |
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| 21:58:58 | bluebrother | oooh ... coffee mugs! |
| 21:59:10 | pepie34 | Bagder file here |
| 21:59:11 | pepie34 | http://romain.herault.free.fr/deb/ |
| 21:59:22 | Bagder | I'm planning a shipment over to you West guys |
| 21:59:28 | pepie34 | arm-elf for rockbox |
| 21:59:37 | pepie34 | arm-uclinux-elf for ipodlinux |
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| 22:00:04 | petur | bluebrother: say that again to a linux newbie |
| 22:00:27 | bluebrother | open a terminal, cd to the build folder of your sim, type ./rockboxui |
| 22:00:57 | bluebrother | I guess if you just click the executable from nautilus / konqueror it assumes ~ as parent folder |
| 22:01:09 | petur | bluebrother: nice... thanks! |
| 22:01:51 | linuxstb | petur: IMO (others may disagree), you'll get the most out of Linux if you just use the terminal, leave the mouse alone... |
| 22:01:59 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe the sim executable should be aware of its location. Guess that won't be too hard to change |
| 22:02:10 | Llorean | In general I'd agree with linuxstb 'bout that. |
| 22:02:24 | bluebrother | I could give it a try ... when I get around for some Rockbox time again |
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| 22:02:46 | amiconn | In Nautilus double-clicking rockboxui works just fine |
| 22:02:48 | bluebrother | GUI is nice, but when your're used to the shell you don't want to use the gui too much anymore ;-) |
| 22:02:59 | petur | linuxstb: well I was happy that I could leave the commandline behind me when I installed windows :( |
| 22:03:12 | amiconn | bluebrother: I know both, and I really prefer gui most of the time |
| 22:03:41 | bluebrother | hehe ... seems there are always people to disagree with that gui thing. |
| 22:04:21 | petur | hmmm it indeed works in nautilus.... |
| 22:04:26 | Lars_G | can I format the iPod in "windows" under linux? |
| 22:04:32 | * | petur kicks xfe |
| 22:04:40 | bluebrother | petur, linux shell is completely different to windows' cmd.exe |
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| 22:04:46 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Yes. So it's a "macpod" at the moment? |
| 22:04:55 | bluebrother | it really hurts when I need to use cmd.exe |
| 22:04:59 | Lars_G | linuxstb: yes. |
| 22:05:10 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Is the Apple firmware working OK/ |
| 22:05:11 | linuxstb | ? |
| 22:05:17 | Lars_G | linuxstb: yes. |
| 22:05:34 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Then you can follow these instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
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| 22:06:04 | l2eM1x | anybody have any thoughts on my WPS : http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10561.0 ? |
| 22:06:09 | linuxstb | Lars_G: They're for Mac OS X, but the principle is identical. Just replace the disk devices (e.g. /dev/disk1) with the Linux equivalents (e.g. /dev/sda) |
| 22:06:23 | Lars_G | linuxstb: thanks I'll look at it. |
| 22:06:50 | * | Lars_G laughs |
| 22:07:24 | Lars_G | linuxstb: fun. are these part tables simple DDs from a working iPod? is it a dd of just the table or a whole partition? |
| 22:07:39 | linuxstb | Just the partition table - i.e. sector 0 |
| 22:08:01 | linuxstb | The firmware partition is in the same place on both winpods and macpods, so you don't need to touch that. |
| 22:08:14 | Lars_G | Ah interesting |
| 22:08:22 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be necessary to change the type of the data partition and reformat it? |
| 22:08:27 | Lars_G | so this is just swapping the mac format partition table to pc format. |
| 22:08:32 | bluebrother | s/necessary/sufficient/ |
| 22:08:37 | Lars_G | bluebrother: for the data holding partition yes |
| 22:08:55 | Lars_G | bluebrother: not sufficient. partition tables in mac ipods are different than windows ipods. |
| 22:08:56 | linuxstb | bluebrother: macpods have a different type of partition table (Apple Partition Map) to winpods (DOS Partition Table) |
| 22:08:58 | bluebrother | or is there other magic that needs to be changes? |
| 22:09:04 | Lars_G | bluebrother: mac FS uses a custom partition table. |
| 22:09:10 | bluebrother | ah, ok |
| 22:09:23 | Lars_G | linuxstb: I've been thinking on this all day. |
| 22:09:26 | * | linuxstb should get round to adding conversion to ipodpatcher |
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| 22:10:02 | Lars_G | linuxstb: I've reached the conclusion that it was stupid of apple to use separate tables and FS for the ipods. Since OS X is perfectly capable of reading DOS partition tables and FAT12/16/32 |
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| 22:10:41 | Llorean | OS X isn't "perfectly" capable. It seems to have a crippled FAT32 driver (or at least, takes an unreasonably long time to mount it) |
| 22:10:43 | Lars_G | linuxstb: And there's still no loss of possible metadata for ipods under mac, since OS X can use "hidden" directories on FAT systems to store HFS+ metadata |
| 22:10:51 | linuxstb | You can't really blame them for using their own filesystem though. |
| 22:10:52 | Alldogship | can I ask some questions (mostly ipod)? |
| 22:11:13 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Oh well it'd be easier if windows supported HFS out of the box. but. |
| 22:11:21 | bluebrother | Alldogship, don't ask to ask −− just ask |
| 22:11:28 | Alldogship | d'oh |
| 22:11:39 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 22:11:43 | Alldogship | I forgot that was one on the prime directive of chat |
| 22:12:01 | linuxstb | Alldogship: you lost 15GB of space on your disk? |
| 22:12:11 | Alldogship | yep, that's me |
| 22:12:27 | Alldogship | it's a partition thing |
| 22:12:50 | linuxstb | A few people have reported that - maybe the partition table on the download site is wrong... Which ipod do you have? |
| 22:13:09 | Alldogship | I barely know anyone with windows so I had to change my ipod it fat32 |
| 22:13:11 | bluebrother | ah, so it's a conversion issue? |
| 22:13:24 | Alldogship | ipod video 30gig gen 5.5 |
| 22:13:28 | pepie34 | the emdebian package is not working |
| 22:13:30 | pepie34 | error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.got' |
| 22:13:37 | linuxstb | Alldogship: And which MBR did you download? |
| 22:13:47 | bluebrother | can't you just remove and create the data partition with fdisk? |
| 22:14:08 | linuxstb | bluebrother: You should be able to, but I've never worked out the Mac OS X partitioning tools.... |
| 22:14:27 | bluebrother | ah. Don't know os x :o |
| 22:14:43 | linuxstb | (most partitioning tools don't like the Empty partition on ipods) |
| 22:14:53 | bluebrother | I did something similar when I tried booting my mini from a cf card, but I used linux |
| 22:15:05 | Alldogship | linuxstb: used mbr-video30gb-2048.bin. it's the right one but maybe for gen 5 only |
| 22:15:14 | linuxstb | Yes, the linux fdisk lets you do anything... |
| 22:15:14 | bluebrother | fdisk on linux can handle it fine. If os x ships that it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:15:26 | bluebrother | but as I said, I don't know os x at all |
| 22:15:32 | linuxstb | It's BSD based, so has lots of BSD tools rather than GNU. |
| 22:15:43 | Lars_G | linuxstb: and some custom tools too. |
| 22:15:47 | linuxstb | (fdisk probably isn't gnu though...) |
| 22:15:51 | bluebrother | too bad there aren't os x live cds around ;-) |
| 22:15:54 | Lars_G | omg I'm a moron |
| 22:15:55 | Alldogship | "man fdisk" is victorious! |
| 22:16:10 | Lars_G | bluebrother: the install cd is a live disk, and making one is not too hard. |
| 22:16:52 | bluebrother | but you need to buy os x, and need a mac, right? |
| 22:17:05 | Lars_G | right |
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| 22:17:16 | pepie34 | Bagder did you get them? |
| 22:17:24 | Lars_G | Alldogship: My favorite is the gay command. |
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| 22:17:28 | Lars_G | Alldogship: "man touch" |
| 22:17:35 | nickspoon | :) |
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| 22:18:24 | bluebrother | oh, "man man" is also somewhat funny |
| 22:18:33 | Bagder | pepie34: I'll only get the base one |
| 22:18:39 | Alldogship | which man? |
| 22:19:06 | pepie34 | you mean? |
| 22:19:23 | Bagder | pepie34: I mean that I won't host a toolset for ipodlinux hacking |
| 22:19:33 | pepie34 | OK ? |
| 22:19:35 | pepie34 | :) |
| 22:20:16 | pepie34 | ok bye |
| 22:20:22 | pepie34 | good night |
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| 22:20:25 | linuxstb | Alldogship: Yes, it looks like our mbr-video30gb-2048.bin file is bad. Anyone around here with a 30GB 5.5g ? |
| 22:20:53 | Alldogship | me exactly. I think that's the problem |
| 22:21:25 | XavierGr | Bagder: how can we mere humans get a hold of one of those mugs :P |
| 22:21:26 | Alldogship | unless I'm the first with a 30gb ipod video who noticed it |
| 22:21:45 | Bagder | XavierGr: not at all yet, and we'll see if ever |
| 22:22:01 | Bagder | I'll hand them out on the devcon |
| 22:22:09 | Bagder | and send a bunch to the westerners |
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| 22:22:19 | * | Llorean sighs. |
| 22:22:21 | linuxstb | Alldogship: A few people have mentioned it in the past I think - I remember reading some forum posts |
| 22:22:22 | Bagder | then consider the leftovers |
| 22:22:35 | Lars_G | errr |
| 22:22:36 | Llorean | I fear I'm going to have to make the "POSTING IN THIS FORUM" posts several pages long if I'm going to make them effective. |
| 22:22:44 | Lars_G | linuxstb: ipodpatcher -i or ipodpatcher -a ? |
| 22:22:53 | linuxstb | Llorean: Just change it to "DO NOT POST IN THIS FORUM"... |
| 22:22:53 | Llorean | A long list of "Do not post here if"s... :( |
| 22:23:23 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Just run it without any parameters. |
| 22:23:25 | XavierGr | Bagder: maybe you should open an online shop with Rockbox items like t-shits, mugs etc :D |
| 22:23:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: I have someone griping at me because someone else removed their post. It was a "I removed Rockbox from my iPod, but it's great, really!" from the Ipod Installation/Removal forum |
| 22:23:47 | linuxstb | Well, it was a post about removal... :) |
| 22:23:53 | Llorean | Yeah, that was his point |
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| 22:24:12 | Llorean | I wasn't the one who removed his post, but I defended it because I felt it was an off-topic post mostly |
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| 22:24:38 | Llorean | I felt that with the statement "Don't ask anything here after you've successfully booted Rockbox" strongly implied the corollary of "Don't post here after you've successfully removed Rockbox" but I may have to type that out :) |
| 22:24:53 | Bagder | XavierGr: http://www.cafepress.com/rockboxfirmware |
| 22:24:54 | Llorean | Ah well, I'm apparently the "Evil type of moderator who can do no wrong" despite the fact that I'm not the one who removed the post. |
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| 22:25:57 | zivan56 | looks like sansa tuning is getting really close to the actual frequencies...still a small error of +/- 0.2 Mhz, will get that fixed soon though |
| 22:26:39 | saratoga | oh sorry I removed that post |
| 22:26:46 | saratoga | mostly because it was dumb and off topic |
| 22:26:51 | XavierGr | bagder: yeah but then the money will go to them and not Rockbox :( |
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| 22:27:45 | Alldogship | linuxstb: I read the full fdisk manual and i'm lost |
| 22:28:13 | linuxstb | Alldogship: I was too... I assume you can't find a Linux computer either? |
| 22:28:25 | Llorean | XavierGr: Yeah, they get the majority of the money on those. |
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| 22:28:39 | Llorean | But it's much easier than printing out a warehouse full of t-shirt and handling shipping yourself. |
| 22:28:43 | Bagder | XavierGr: either way, we can't get the majority |
| 22:28:49 | Lars_G | cp: cannot stat `rockbox-info.txt': No such file or directory |
| 22:28:50 | Lars_G | <−−- do I need to remake (recreate) my build dir? |
| 22:28:51 | Bagder | making and shipping cost a lot |
| 22:29:02 | linuxstb | Lars_G: You need to re-run ../tools/configure |
| 22:29:03 | bluebrother | Lars_G, rerun configure |
| 22:29:18 | Lars_G | no need to destroy the build dir? ok |
| 22:29:40 | * | bluebrother hopes to get something from the devcon leftovers |
| 22:30:03 | Alldogship | linuxstb: what? using linux would work? I wish I read that before. (got ubuntu in dual boot) |
| 22:30:10 | Lars_G | Sigh someday I'll setup a distcc farm. someday |
| 22:30:32 | linuxstb | Alldogship: Yes, Linux is much easier... |
| 22:30:39 | linuxstb | (because I use it....) |
| 22:31:14 | Alldogship | linuxstb: I'll reboot, find a chat program and I'll be back |
| 22:31:14 | Bagder | Lars_G: use ccache and it'll be fast enough |
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| 22:31:38 | Lars_G | Bagder: I have it, but the difference doesn't seems so much |
| 22:31:43 | Lars_G | Maybe i've not configured it well |
| 22:31:44 | Bagder | on linux? |
| 22:31:48 | Lars_G | yes |
| 22:31:55 | Bagder | the difference is quite notable to most of us |
| 22:32:21 | Lars_G | hmmm |
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| 22:32:59 | Bagder | I doubt a distcc farm will help much |
| 22:33:04 | bluebrother | Lars_G: maybe you installed ccache after running configure and it doesn't make use of ccache at all? |
| 22:33:09 | Bagder | it would require very fast network |
| 22:35:33 | bluebrother | grr. Why do these stupid usb-ata bridges not support smart commands? |
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| 22:35:46 | * | Llorean has sent Colombo a private message. |
| 22:36:10 | alldogship | linuxstb: back |
| 22:36:17 | Llorean | If he steps over anything that even _seems_ like a line, feel free to revoke his posting privileges if I'm not around to do it first. |
| 22:37:05 | amiconn | bluebrother: Because they translate everything. And usb disk communicates using scsi commands, even though the disk "behind" the bridge is usually ata |
| 22:37:19 | amiconn | s/And/An/ |
| 22:37:57 | bluebrother | hmm. Meaning scsi doesn't know smart commands so the bridge can't translate it? |
| 22:39:05 | linuxstb | alldogship: Is your ipod attached? |
| 22:39:08 | amiconn | Afaiu usb-ata bridges set their own power management parameters for the disk, determined by the bridge's configuration eeprom |
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| 22:39:26 | alldogship | linuxstb: yep I see it's icon |
| 22:39:44 | linuxstb | Forget the icon and open up a terminal... |
| 22:39:58 | alldogship | linuxstb: already done |
| 22:40:02 | linuxstb | Although you should unmount it if you can. |
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| 22:42:41 | BigMac | Hey, can anyone tell me the line of code you need to change in /apps/bitmaps/native/misc.c to remove the version info |
| 22:43:17 | bluebrother | remove the version info? |
| 22:43:20 | BigMac | It used to be in snprintf(version, sizeof(version), "Ver. %s", appsversion); |
| 22:43:38 | BigMac | Yah, you know how it shows the version info in the bottom center? |
| 22:43:42 | BigMac | like revision? |
| 22:43:56 | BigMac | that line no longer exists though |
| 22:43:56 | bluebrother | create a file docs/VERSION |
| 22:44:18 | Lars_G | hmmmm, not booting |
| 22:44:20 | linuxstb | BigMac: Delete lines 879 to 883 - the two lcd_setfont() lines and the two lines between them. |
| 22:44:26 | Lars_G | neither rockbox bootloader not OF |
| 22:44:29 | alldogship | linuxstb: unmounted it (had to brushup on my terminal memory) |
| 22:44:40 | bluebrother | and put in what you want to appear as verion string |
| 22:44:40 | BigMac | linuxstb: Thank ya |
| 22:44:41 | linuxstb | alldogship: Do you know the disk device? |
| 22:44:55 | alldogship | linuxstb: yep |
| 22:45:09 | linuxstb | Then type "fdisk /dev/sdx" (replace x with the right letter) |
| 22:45:11 | BigMac | bluebrother: No I just don't want anything overlaying the bootscreen |
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| 22:45:17 | alldogship | linuxstb: /dev/sdb2 |
| 22:45:19 | linuxstb | The "p" to display the paritition table. |
| 22:45:24 | linuxstb | alldogship: Just /dev/sdb |
| 22:45:49 | Lars_G | Sigh i give up, I'll try to find a windows machine to format the friggin thing |
| 22:45:50 | Lars_G | sigh |
| 22:46:24 | * | Lars_G kicks stuff |
| 22:46:46 | alldogship | linuxstb: Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512) |
| 22:46:56 | alldogship | linuxstb: Command (m for help): |
| 22:47:08 | alldogship | linuxstb: that was to be expected |
| 22:47:11 | linuxstb | alldogship: Good. Now type "d" followed by "2" to delete the existing partition. |
| 22:47:11 | Lars_G | linuxstb: I see ipodpatcher's a bin but can't find the source, it's distributted as bin in svn? |
| 22:47:29 | linuxstb | Lars_G: The source is in rbutil/ipodpatcher/ |
| 22:47:32 | alldogship | linuxstb: d2 or d enter 2 enter |
| 22:47:38 | linuxstb | d enter 2 enter |
| 22:48:02 | Lars_G | linuxstb: thanks |
| 22:48:02 | alldogship | linuxstb: an other command? |
| 22:48:54 | linuxstb | Now "n" enter, "p" enter, "2" enter, "6" enter, enter |
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| 22:49:29 | linuxstb | In fact, the 6 may be wrong for your ipod, it should be the same start cylinder as was displayed earlier.... |
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| 22:50:08 | Lars_G | linuxstb: sorry dude, does this look ok to you? http://200.62.10.54:8008/ipod.txt |
| 22:50:19 | alldogship | linuxstb: good thing I didn't do the last enter. Asking me :Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (6-912, default 912): |
| 22:50:42 | linuxstb | Lars_G: I can't connect to that page |
| 22:51:21 | linuxstb | alldogship: Don't worry - all changes are still in memory, they are not written until you enter the "w" command. You can press "q" at any time to cancel and leave fdisk. |
| 22:51:26 | Lars_G | linuxstb: do, reload |
| 22:51:58 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Yes, that looks normal. |
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| 22:52:20 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:52:26 | Lars_G | linuxstb: odd thing is, I reset the ipod and it shows just the apple, nothing else (no rockbox bootup dialog) |
| 22:52:35 | linuxstb | Does the backlight come on? |
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| 22:52:59 | Lars_G | Yes |
| 22:53:00 | sergey | linuxstb: sorry for delay. I've ran test_codec on mp3 128 kbps. 112%realtime |
| 22:53:04 | alldogship | last time I had a apple logo luckup I switched the hold on |
| 22:53:09 | Lars_G | Ok I unzipped rockbox, it loads rockbox..... sigh |
| 22:53:25 | | Nick sergey is now known as RockingD (n=sergey@ppp85-140-150-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 22:53:32 | Lars_G | so damage might be the OF |
| 22:53:44 | Javacat | Are there any plans for some sort of skinable main screen, where you can place shortcuts to whatever components? Instead of having one of the menu screens? |
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| 22:53:47 | RockingD | sorry, client changed my nick to sergey |
| 22:53:49 | Lars_G | oh my |
| 22:53:58 | Lars_G | linuxstb: No more rockbox startup diag? |
| 22:54:07 | linuxstb | Lars_G: No |
| 22:54:14 | linuxstb | alldogship: Are you OK with fdisk? |
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| 22:54:31 | Lars_G | linuxstb: man, that's sad. I'm sure lots of people find it more elegant, but I liked my "gibberish" |
| 22:55:04 | linuxstb | Lars_G: You can compile your own bootloader and restore it - just set "verbose=true" at the top of bootloader/common.c |
| 22:55:30 | Lars_G | linuxstb: Oh I will. danke |
| 22:55:34 | alldogship | linuxstb: I was waiting for you :p what was supposed to be what first? |
| 22:55:49 | alldogship | linuxstb: it's about the 6 btw |
| 22:56:03 | linuxstb | alldogship: Just press enter. |
| 22:56:31 | linuxstb | alldogship: But I think the 6 was wrong - what did fdisk display as the start of the second partition when you first typed "p" ? |
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| 22:56:40 | * | Lars_G prays someday rockbox will be able to use the USB without touching the OF |
| 22:56:48 | fir3_ | hi |
| 22:56:53 | Llorean | Lars_G: We're kinda hoping for that by the end of the summer |
| 22:56:54 | alldogship | linuxstb: I'm starting all over |
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| 22:57:06 | Lars_G | Llorean: it's one of the SoC projects? |
| 22:57:08 | fir3_ | what player would you recommend for rockbox? |
| 22:57:16 | BigMac | linuxstb: Deleted those lines, mind if I rafb it and you check those four lines to make sure I didn't fudge it up |
| 22:57:31 | bluebrother | fir3_, what do you want to do with it? |
| 22:57:35 | linuxstb | BigMac: Sure |
| 22:57:43 | Lars_G | Llorean: if the same slav^H^H^H^H Student can rev eng the serial port driver I'll die of extasis |
| 22:57:52 | bluebrother | do you want to record? Color screen? Memory type? |
| 22:57:57 | fir3_ | bluebrother: depends on the price ;) |
| 22:58:02 | alldogship | linuxstb: partition number (1-4)? |
| 22:58:07 | linuxstb | fir3_: Do you want flash-based or hard disk? |
| 22:58:23 | alldogship | linuxstb: or first cylinder? (1-912) |
| 22:58:25 | linuxstb | alldogship: Shall we do this in PMs? |
| 22:58:44 | bluebrother | Lars_G, any ideas how much of the serial port is already known? I was considering to build a serial cable ... |
| 22:58:46 | BigMac | linuxstb: http://rafb.net/p/MPKtM421.html |
| 22:59:29 | linuxstb | BigMac: Yes, that looks fine. |
| 22:59:29 | bluebrother | fir3_, you might want to check out this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 22:59:29 | Llorean | Lars_G: We have an advantage with the USB. No reverse engineering. Some datasheets that are apparently somewhat usable for our purposes (the USB hardware is apparently a version of documented hardware that's just used in the portalplayer hardware, from my understanding) |
| 22:59:34 | fir3_ | linuxstb: guess i'd prefer flash, i want long battery lifetime |
| 22:59:44 | Llorean | Lars_G: The student is actually working on a USB stack itself, which is the key part that needs done now, I believe |
| 22:59:53 | Lars_G | Llorean: that's good |
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| 23:00:04 | BigMac | linuxstb: I think I will try make clean then remaking I guess |
| 23:00:24 | Lars_G | Llorean: speaking of usb stack do you think the IC will support host mode with a good stack? or it's hardwarely impossible? |
| 23:00:29 | bluebrother | fir3_, current flash-based players use the PP chip, which is known to have runtime issues atm |
| 23:00:48 | fir3_ | and i wouldn't like to spend much money on a device i can lose so easily |
| 23:00:52 | Llorean | Lars_G: Signs indicate that it's likely they will. |
| 23:01:05 | * | Lars_G bends over and weeps |
| 23:01:11 | Llorean | Lars_G: But that's not a guarantee. |
| 23:01:13 | Lars_G | Llorean: the gods bless you |
| 23:01:23 | bluebrother | nano 1G and Sansa are flash based. |
| 23:01:45 | Lars_G | bluebrother: I'm thinking on flashing a 3G too |
| 23:01:59 | Lars_G | bluebrother: if I can lay hands on a SSHDD for it, I will |
| 23:02:02 | saratoga | 3G is basically unusable |
| 23:02:17 | bluebrother | you get really good battery runtime from iaudio, h100 and h300 series |
| 23:02:23 | bluebrother | i.e. the coldfire based hd-players |
| 23:04:01 | bluebrother | another question is about the size you want to get ... those aren't the tiniest available |
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| 23:04:34 | linuxstb | fir3_: What do you call "long" battery life? 10 hours, 20 hours, 30 hours? |
| 23:04:45 | Bagder | 100! ;-P |
| 23:05:05 | linuxstb | Two M5Ls... |
| 23:05:09 | bluebrother | is there an m5l around? How long would that get? |
| 23:05:09 | fir3_ | above 10 hours, the higher, the better :) |
| 23:05:17 | Llorean | Bagder: I bet the M5L could get 100 under very, very, very ideal conditions. :-P |
| 23:06:00 | Llorean | A short WAV file, looped from RAM, CPU clocked as low as it gets, LCD and everything else powered down except what's necessary for output... |
| 23:06:07 | Bagder | we'll use that number in our new glossy printer marketing material for the big summer sales of Rockbox |
| 23:06:27 | fir3_ | sounds interesting :) |
| 23:06:33 | RockingD | speaking about battery life and performance... what are the "normal" result of test_codec for mp3 with ~128 kbps? |
| 23:06:49 | Llorean | RockingD: That's a very vague question. |
| 23:07:06 | RockingD | I know. I'm getting 112% on my iPod 3G |
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| 23:07:23 | Llorean | I mean, I could test it on my gigabeat and get rather ridiculous results. |
| 23:07:25 | RockingD | just want to have some other numbers |
| 23:07:31 | RockingD | hmm |
| 23:07:44 | linuxstb | RockingD: Give me a moment, and I'll test on my 4G ipod (Color) |
| 23:08:59 | RockingD | cool. another result. ~224 kbps vbr gives 106% |
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| 23:15:37 | linuxstb | RockingD: I don't know if you've tried it, but I think there is a patch on the patch tracker with some MP3 optimisations |
| 23:16:11 | RockingD | nope. I'm new to this project. |
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| 23:16:47 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: Really? Where is this patch? |
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| 23:17:14 | linuxstb | On the patch tracker... I don't know the number |
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| 23:18:52 | RockingD | 6705? |
| 23:19:39 | TrueJournals | That's what I'm guessing... seems to be out of sync... |
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| 23:21:29 | TrueJournals | The problem is... "With this patch the mpegplayer plugin does not compile on Ipod because of overfull IRAM." |
| 23:22:02 | TrueJournals | when I tried it a while ago, it didn't compile on my H10 either... |
| 23:22:35 | linuxstb | That's fixable now though - libmad is compiled separately for mpegplayer. But no-one has actually fixed it... |
| 23:23:05 | linuxstb | But I just suggested it to RockingD so he could test it on his 3G. |
| 23:23:29 | linuxstb | RockingD: A 128kbps CBR file is 164% realtime on my 4G ipod. |
| 23:24:02 | RockingD | linuxstb: thanks. I'll try this patch and compare results |
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| 23:33:53 | linuxstb | RockingD: I've just tried that patch, and the same file now decodes at 175% |
| 23:34:15 | linuxstb | Ah, he left.... |
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| 23:35:39 | TrueJournals | linuxstb: So, with the patch, mpegplayer will NOT compile, but the patch could be changed so that it would compile? |
| 23:35:58 | linuxstb | Yes. Some of the optimisations would need to be disabled for mpegplayer |
| 23:36:22 | TrueJournals | Ah, OK |
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| 23:44:56 | digerati1338 | Is there an easy way to tell if a patch has been applied to my source code? |
| 23:45:03 | linuxstb | OK, this is weird... With some functions removed from IRAM, decoding speed has gone up to 183.5%.... |
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| 23:46:23 | Llorean | I thought that the IRAM wasn't necessarily beneficial on the iPods. Didn't someone mention that before? |
| 23:46:43 | linuxstb | Yes, I've mentioned it before. The benefit seems unpredictable... |
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| 23:46:59 | Llorean | You'd think it'd at least be predictable. Either yes, or no. |
| 23:48:14 | * | linuxstb wishes RockingD was around to test on the PP5002 |
| 23:50:58 | Llorean | Should an iPod 5G and Nano get the same results on the same file, or do other things affect the outcome than CPU? |
| 23:51:13 | linuxstb | You're asking me to predict ipod behaviour? ;) |
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| 23:51:30 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 23:51:39 | Lars_G | huh |
| 23:51:52 | linuxstb | I would expect them to be the same though... |
| 23:51:53 | Lars_G | linuxstb: You don't have a built in architecture simulator in your head? |
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| 23:52:16 | Llorean | Alright, that's what I was looking for "expected to be the same" |
| 23:52:33 | Llorean | I may compile builds for my Sansa and my Nano later then, and see if they are. |
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| 23:52:58 | Lars_G | Llorean: Of course if they where made in different seasons and the ram/flash brand differs and the internal chip algorithm or construction is different in theory a non-noticeable difference is possible |
| 23:53:06 | Llorean | Not the same CPUs, but I'm kinda curious if there's a performance difference in them. |
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| 23:54:07 | boxrock | anybody: i just rockbox'd a sansa, now when i plug in usb, windows says unrecognised ?? |
| 23:54:18 | Llorean | boxrock: Rockbox doesn't have a USB mode. |
| 23:54:25 | Llorean | boxrock: Turn off the sansa, and plug in the cable while it's turned off. |
| 23:54:44 | Llorean | Rockbox on Sansa doesn't have a USB mode, specifically |
| 23:55:26 | boxrock | ok, so download while it's in sandisk FW? |
| 23:55:30 | Llorean | Yes |
| 23:55:34 | olle_ | does rockbox on iriver have usb mode? |
| 23:55:51 | Llorean | Which iRiver? |
| 23:55:53 | linuxstb | On h100 and h300, yes. |
| 23:56:45 | olle_ | but not H10 |
| 23:56:51 | linuxstb | correct |
| 23:57:20 | olle_ | ok. sorry if i ask dumb questions. im too tired to RTFM |
| 23:57:31 | olle_ | midnight here |
| 23:57:40 | bluebrother | Rockbox has usb on the devices that use a hardware usb bridge. |
| 23:57:49 | bluebrother | which is h100 and h300 series. |
| 23:58:11 | bluebrother | it does not have usb for the PortalPlayer devices. Which is Ipod, Iriver h10 and Sandisk |
| 23:58:46 | boxrock | ok, that's what threw me off, it works on my Toshiba F40 |
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