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Subject: RE: FM Recorder won't turn on / USB left connected overnight

RE: FM Recorder won't turn on / USB left connected overnight

From: Arturo Gonzalez <>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:38:48 +0200

I give up...I started to open up the unit by prying open the top of the
unit, but got deterred when only the "bottom" half came off and looked
like the top half (the part that covers the top part of the unit)
wouldn't came off that easily. I had "Warranty Voided" issues and
decided to stop before I further marked up the unit...

Hopefully Archos will honor their warranty for the battery issue and
replace the batteries...Oh well, so much for my 3 month soire in the
world of Archos MP3 players.

Thanks for your help(s).

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Neon John
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: FM Recorder won't turn on / USB left connected overnight

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:59:09 +0200, "Arturo Gonzalez"

>Quite right, and thanks for preventing a potentially embarassing and
>dangerous scene!

Not! The worst you can do to this type of LiIon battery is destroy it,
swell the case and/or make it melt enough to vent vapor. This type is
NOT enclosed in a hermetic pressure vessel and will NOT contain
sufficient pressure for a violent bursting.

As long as you don't try to top off the battery, the procedure is
completely safe. In fact, during my testing at about 1 amp charge rate
I observed less than 0.1 deg F temperature rise in the battery. That is
one reason the LiIons are so efficient, they don't waste energy on heat.

I have spent a bunch of time trying to figure out how to bootstrap a
completely dead FMR. Since the unit tries to boot when power is applied
and since the hard drive needs the battery to spin up, booting becomes
impossible, resulting in a loop of boot-and-shut-down. I have not
succeeded in getting a nearly dead unit to boot enough to charge using
only external power.

The other way to boot the unit is to hook external power through the
internal battery contacts using long shank minihooks or similar
connection method. I used a power supply but a general purpose Li
battery can be used. Once the unit is booted and the hard drive is
stopped, the wall wart can be plugged in and the bootstrap power
removed. Insert the battery with the unit on and booted and it should
start charging.

It is much more straightforward and poses less risk to the unit to
simply remove the battery and charge it a bit as described in my
previous post.
>Which brings me to my intial question--What type of charger should I
>get to recharge the unit since my US charger doesn't work in Europe.

6 volt DC, 1 amp. Do not try to use the 9 volt charger that the Studio
and Recorder use. Can damage the charging circuit in the unit. Voice
of experience :-(

John De Armond
Cleveland, Occupied TN
Received on 2003-10-21

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