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Subject: Re: Avos and strategy (was: avos)

Re: Avos and strategy (was: avos)

From: Jimmy Moore <>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:39:28 -0800

Get real,

If I buy a mouse, Do I then have to pay to download the driver for it
from their website?

If I buy a computer, do I have to pay extra to use the cd-rom drive???

I will never, ever pay for hardware drivers. That's just ridiculous.
It's like selling a car without a petrol tank, then saying 'Ah sir you
mean you want to drive it? That's extra. You'll need our petrol tank for
It's a scam. It should be illegal.

I would not mind so much if the firmware was actually any good.

Archos is legendary for having no technical support, and the worst
firmware possible. The firmware is ameteurish at best.

Archos' only hope of survival was embracing open source firmware, to
enhance their product. Instead of doing that, they thought they would
sue those pesky evil developers who wanted to work for free.

Just wait until the likes of Sony, Microsoft, Apple,etc release portable
video/multimedia devices... Will we ever hear of Archos again?
I doubt it if they carry on thinking they can *laugh* sell their
firmware, and sue anyone who dares to try and make better firmware.


On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 09:01, Touillaud Nicolas wrote:
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Fox
> >
> >
> >.. I think its rediculous that you've bought the hardware but they want you
> to
> >pay for the software plugins to use it. If his OS makes use of those peices
> >of hardware without people paying money to archos then thats probably what
> >the deal is. I say boohoo to archos for doing something like that to begin
> >with.
> >
> >-fox
> Boohoo !!! :D
> On the other hand, why criticizing a marketing decision ? Archos is here to
> make profit, not for the benefit and comfort of human beings isn't it ?
> They chose to sell a piece of code instead of a piece of hardware.
> I see at least 4 advantages:
> -mass production of the "internal extentions" (cost reduction for them)
> -simpler internal and external design (and the consumer may find it
> practical not to plug something more on the unit)
> -easier selling procedure: no shipping, stocks (and stock management),
> refound...
> -and... frustration ! The ultimate feeling leading to consumption ! You can
> see the card reader, but cannot use it: AARRGGHHH !!! :)
> The only drawback is that their limitation is software only, so it can be
> easily broken. The solution for this is legal...
> Rockbox is only using the hardware (by the way, thank Jörg for the great
> work on video playing), it's not unlocking something locked on purpose.
> If all this give the product bad reputation or if they don't sell enough
> plugins to balance theirs accounts, it is Archos' problem...
> But since the price of the hardware activated by the plugins is already in
> the selling price: no risk, selling plugins is all benefit. Remember the
> Ferengis in Star Trek DS9 ? Too long to explain, but they would aprove...
> It's up to the consummer to decide if he want to buy such a product. With
> this sort of (expensive) devices, the consumer is most of the time aware of
> the situation.
> Of course, it's just my point of view,
Jimmy Moore <>
Received on 2003-12-15

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