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Subject: Re: Avos and strategy

Re: Avos and strategy

From: Jimmy Moore <>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:47:50 -0800

        Avos is certainly not a hoax. I decided I wanted to play games on my
av300, so I worked out the firmware format.
        Here is what Archos currently claim:

        By circumventing the encryption on the firmware, I violated the DMCA,
and also the european equivalent - the EUDLPCP. I apparently
"circumvented a technological measure that effectively controls access
to a copyrighted work.". ('circumventing a technologyical measure' is
defined to include 'decrypting an encrypted work'.

        They also claim that these laws only allow exemptions for
interoperability between programs. Not between a program and the
hardware. I would personally say the interoperability is between 2
programs - the firmware, and the 'ROM firmware loader software'

That makes rockbox illegal under the DMCA/EUDLPCP also.
I think they are grossly mistaken, but I don't want to take any chances.

If any of you are extremely up on the law, know any lawyer friends, of
have the extortionate amount of money lawyers charge, please let me
know. It's not an issue in terms of webspace/location. It's an issue in
terms of legal costs.

On the plus side, I have written an emulator for the jbmm/av100/av300
(Still quite a bit of hardware to work out), and we have got some basic
programs running on the hardware.

                        Jimmy "Dogger" Moore

On Mon, 2003-12-15 at 09:49, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Jimmy Moore wrote:
> > I doubt it if they carry on thinking they can *laugh* sell their firmware,
> > and sue anyone who dares to try and make better firmware.
> The thing is, and this is an important thing to notice: they don't sue us for
> making a better firmware. How could they?
> I very much doubt that they can or will sue anyone for making a better
> firmware for the Multimedia series. At least not in Europe.
> I think the whole Avos business is either:
> 1. a hoax
> 2. the mail sent to Archos was somehow threatening or abusive
> 3. parts of Avos consist of stuff Archos made/owns
> .. but as has been said before, until we get to see the truth, we can only
> speculate.
Jimmy Moore <>
Received on 2003-12-15

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