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Subject: RE: the helpful Bluechip (was Re: BUGS - ARGH)

RE: the helpful Bluechip (was Re: BUGS - ARGH)

From: Fred Maxwell <>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:28:15 -0500

As someone who often rubs people the wrong way in mailing lists, I have to
say that this thread is likely to make the situation worse. I strongly
recommend that Daniel and Bluechip take this matter offline and settle it
like adults. Insistence on public apologies and calls for banning people
from the list are not the answer. Nor are publically insulting e-mails.
Just look at the message below and it's easy to see why Bluechip is angry:

> I don't think this project has benefited one single bit so far from his
> "help".

And from a previous e-mail

> He brings no good to our project, and he will keep yelling his twisted
> opinions and now when you ask him you'll read his confused version of "the

> truth", and some additional stuff about how I "attack" him.

Gee, how could Bluechip not view such messages as attacks? Of course he's
angry when public postings like those are made about his efforts. When
Daniel posts messages with titles like "Bluechip berserk", then, Hell yes,
Bluechip is going to be angry and he has every right to be.

I have noticed that Daniel tends to see everything as having two answers:
his answer and the wrong answer. I've recently experienced that when we
were discussing daily builds vs. formal betas. Like me, Bluechip is
strongly opinionated and his refusal to give in apparently is a large part
of the issue here.

In closing, while Daniel may be a fine developer who has tirelessly
contributed to Rockbox, it doesn't mean that he's automatically right and
that anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. Daniel, if you want an apology
from Bluechip, then give him the apology that you owe him in return.

  Fred Maxwell


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Stenberg
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:02 AM
> To: Rockbox
> Subject: the helpful Bluechip (was Re: BUGS - ARGH)
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Mat Holton wrote:
> > I agree that Daniel was out of order with his "back off" comment.
> I think you native-english speakers need to remember that some of us
> non-americans non-brittish people aren't native english speakers. That
> means
> that when I write english, I don't always find the best words, phrases or
> synonyms. It makes it even more important to read the contents, and not
> trying
> to find "a tone" in the mails.
> I'm sorry if 'back off' is sounding offensive, but it wasn't my intention.
> I
> was only trying to ask him to not pressure me into a corner with his
> questions, and I then explained my reasoning. I was not being personal and
> I
> was not being rude, besides that "back off" comment. I wanted it to be a
> "hold
> it, take a moment and see what I have to say about this first before we
> continue down this road".
> > I don't see how that could have been taken any other way than offensive.
> Even if I were offensive, I did not insult him. Not then, not now and
> never
> before. He continues to throw dirt on me, both in the past and in this
> discussion again. He puts words in my mouth and claims I've written
> things
> that a quick search in the mail archives pretty soon reveals simply is
> false.
> > BlueChip is obviously trying to help and it certainly appears to me that
> the
> > help is being rejected
> What help is that? I've yet to see his help. And what help are we
> rejecting?
> I'm sorry, but I honestly can't see any.
> > right down to Daniel saying he won't reply to any more of BlueChips
> posts.
> If Bluechip apologizes in public for his behavior and changes it for the
> future, then I'll reconsider. Until then I'll continue to ignore him. I've
> lost my patience with him.
> I don't think this project has benefited one single bit so far from his
> "help". Yes, if we end up allowed to use the info he's provided, then I
> admit
> he has helped the project.
> Me ignoring Bluechip is only one person ignoring another. There are almost
> 500
> persons on this list alone. Now, if Bluechip is helpful and I am not, then
> my
> ignorance can't be nothing but goodness for this list/project.
> --
> Daniel Stenberg -- --
Received on 2003-12-18

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