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Subject: Re: How to get them to manufacture for us: An idea and a draft

Re: How to get them to manufacture for us: An idea and a draft

From: Mat Holton <>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:04:36 +0000

I like the sound of that. We could all chip in a certain amount and pay a manufacturer to
make the hardware! and flog 'em on the internet! Probably a small return if loads of us
formed the company but fun anyway.

-----Original Message-----From: Rocker <>To: Rockbox development <>Sent: 22/03/2004 01:13Subject: Re: How to get them to manufacture for us: An idea and a draftPersonally (if the world was perfect) The Rockbox team as well as dedicated

users would pool their resources and design our very own player and go into

business! loll!


----- Original Message -----

From: "Björn Stenberg" <>

To: "Rockbox development" <>

Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: How to get them to manufacture for us: An idea and a draft

David H. Straayer wrote:

> I've done a (very crude) first draft of such an article, below.

> Let's pass it around and comment on it. I'll dredge through my

> old notes, and Google around to try to find placement for it.


> What do you think?

An interesting initiative. I think you should be wary about painting a too

rosy picture, however.

> An international team of open-source software writers has

> entirely re-written, from the "ground up",

Nitpick: We haven't re-written anything. We've just written it. Re-written

would mean we've done it before. :-)

> Here are some of the key advantages of this approach:

> 1. No software/firmware development costs. Obviously a big plus

This is only true if the device they make is an exact Archos clone, which is

unlikely. After all, the Archos design is pretty old by now. Most new

designs will want to use better components and perhaps different features.

These changes, whatever they are, need to be supported by the firmware.

A manufacturer can not depend on Rockbox, or any other voluntary team, to

write this for them, for free, on schedule. Open Source software is, by

definition, not written on schedule.

What Rockbox provides them with, rather, is an "mp3 player starting kit".

For a small price (their changes), they get a complete mp3 player firmware.

All they need to do is adapt some of the drivers to their hardware. (Which

of course they could do by contracting one or more Rockbox developer.) This

will cut down their firmware development cost greatly, but it won't

eliminate it.

I think it is important to stress the sharing part. The price they pay for

using our software is that we get all their modifications in return. This is

sometimes overlooked by companies who seem to view Open Source code as

freebies they can grab and use however they like.

> the Rockbox team at


I would suggest linking to our front page rather than

the mailing list info page. If you like, you can list me as contact person.

> They probably will even be

> happy to provide some preliminary schematics,

Do you really mean this? Or do you mean we'll be happy to _review_

preliminary schematics? I'm not aware of anyone offering perliminary


Overall I think it's an exciting initiative. I just want to make sure we

don't misrepresent the nature of Open Source Software or write something

that's "too good to be true".

"Life's just a mood ring we're not allowed to see."
 They Might Be Giants.
Surface Inspection Ltd
Received on 2004-03-22

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