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Subject: RE: don't like to argue, Blind, Bluechip, sterile debate, an apology and a recognition to the group.
From: rinty (rinty_at_freeuk.com)
Date: 2004-06-22

Hi, just to let the list know that the 3 of us have chatted off-list,
and sorted the spat out. We all recognised that we went a bit over
the top, sorry to the rest of you.

Rob (rinty), BC, and Cristian.

-----Original Message-----
From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se
[mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se]On Behalf Of Cristian
Sent: 22 June 2004 18:17
To: Rockbox development
Subject: OT: don't like to argue,Blind, Bluechip, sterile debate, an
apology and a recognition to the group.

rob wrote:

>Hey Hey hang on folks, I did actually write an apology before BC
wrote
>his second message. This (in my view) makes Christian's post
>unnecessary and offensive.

Sorry for that, My intent was not to spark a war which is useless for
all of us.

You continued:
>I really don't need to be chastised by Christian.

Didn't want to, just wanted to criticize what I perceived a bit as a
wrong expression, just wanted to say I appreciate the job of everyone.
Perhaps I was slightly mislead by Bluechip's reaction, sorry if that
was
the case.

>Christian I wouldn't want to patronise you as you have done to me,
but
>please don't presume to apologise on my behalf, especially when I've
>already done so publicly. Gratitude is commendable, but telling other
>blind people that they ought to grovel is frankly offensive. People
>have lost teeth for less!, smile. Your comment about blind people not
>being programmers is offensive, as many are, and wrong.

Sorry again, but I just felt appropriate not to share a view, I didn't
ask you
to grovel, and, I don't think my reference to Aman and others was
offensive,
I just wanted to acknowledge that most of the work was done by sighted
people
like Joerg, that could easily do without the vocal interface, and I
personally think,
that expressing gratutude doesn't have nothing to do with grovel or
crawl.

Sorry if other blind perceived it as patronizing, I didn't mean to
judge the technical
skills of each of us, not even yours.

>I want to end by saying, that I for one value the effort and time
>given both in developing the software and in helping people that the
>development team and others have given, very much value the list, and
>have and intend to continue to try to contribute as much as possible
>to helping others both publicly and privately. I will think more
>about how I word things, but I've struggled to keep my message to
>Christian printable.

well, totally agree, I'll do the same, and thanks for "struggling" as
you
wrote, But I dont think my message was so offensive.

By,

              Cristian

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