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Subject: Re: Rockbox Digest, Vol 10, Issue 19

Re: Rockbox Digest, Vol 10, Issue 19

From: Neon John <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:31:07 -0500

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:30:43 +0100 (MET), "[IDC]Dragon"
<> wrote:

>> If you look at the source code you see that most of the heavy lifting is
>> done in the TI proprietary libraries. That is fine, perhaps even great,
>> for a commercial product but unacceptable for an open source project.
>I disagree. On the Archos, the "heavy lifting" is done by the MAS codec and
>the USB bridge. We live quite well with it. These parts are black boxes to
>us, in effect similar to those libraries.

Both of which come with each and every Jukebox sold. The TI library comes
as part of a very expensive development system. Your point is?

>> As
>> is having to buy VERY expensive commercial tools. An eval version with a
>> 90 day time bomb is unacceptable too.
>But you can't blame Meuros for that. It was started as a commercial design,
>free compilers are no prerequisite to that. It's togh luck that their
>platform is not suitable for our development style, but not their fault.
>Btw, open source means that you're free to compile your own variant. It
>doesn't mean the compiler has to be free, too.

Umm, what I said. I blame Neuros for lying about being open source for at
least 2 years, all the while trying to wrap themselves in the glory of
open source. They were claiming to be an open source company at least a
year before they released ANYTHING.

>> As one of the first people who tried to get Neuros to quit lying and live
>> up to their open source claims, I have a very bad taste in my mouth and
>> probably would never consider ANY products from that company. I'm sure
>> that distaste is shared by the guys who sling the code.
>I don't know the first part of the story, but from the IRC chats with these
>guys they seem nice and helpful, doing what they could, under the
>circumstances. They have given away what they have (schematics may be
>missing yet), not necessarily a common move in the corporate world. The TI
>libraries are 3rd party, closed source to them, too. I see no reason to be
>angry about them.

That first part of the story that you don't know about is the critical
part. I carried on a nice conversation (though she later characterized it
otherwise) with a lady there who I think is the wife of an officer.
President, I think. She continued to relate the various debates,
arguments and other stalling tactics by the prez and minions. Meanwhile
the whole system remained proprietary. I suggested at one point that they
simply remove their open source claims from their web site. That would
satisfy me. Didn't happen.

John De Armond
Cleveland, Occupied TN
Received on 2004-11-16

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