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Subject: Re: rasher: firmware id3.c,1.110,1.111

Re: rasher: firmware id3.c,1.110,1.111

From: Svante Tidholm <>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:12:17 +0200

I appreciate your thoughts, and agree with you in that Rockbox is a
really impressive sign of international and open-minded developing.
This has nothing to do with that, though. In my perspective, we have
as individuals the responsability to choose whether or not we
reinforce and continue the use of a language. Rashers choice was to
include the word neger, and this context is a ironic joke since the
genre negerpunk hardly exists (with the exception of the
extraordinary band Bad Brains, but they would have pulled a gun on
some fool using that label on them, I promise you!).

So, for me, Rashers choice was wrong, unnecessary, and to defend the
continuing use of a word like neger is simply just unworthy. The
connection to censorship I won't pick up, this is nothing like
censorship since labelling a genre is something that you as a
listener actively do, I don't find it comparable with writing,
creating and that kind of activity. The term Christian Rock doesn't
contain a word that is used in the systematic oppression of a huge
part of the population, is it? Rather the opposite.

We all know the consequences of the extremely well spread racism
against black people, we can see it in the news every day nowadays
from New Orleans. The black people was the ones that took the hardest
damages, as is the case in almost all levels of society.

That's the context I put this stupid genre in. And for me it is
obvious that it's out of date.


8 sep 2005 kl. 15.52 skrev Michael E. DiFebbo:

> In the three months that I have been involved with the Rockbox
> project, I have never ceased to be amazed by the international
> scope of the project, and the way that people who are located
> throughout the world work together without regard to geographic,
> racial, religious boundaries. In fact, to the contrary, things
> like support for multiple languages, bidi support for languages
> which read right to left, speaking menus for the blind, etc. have
> shown me that the Rockbox "team" (to use a disfavored term) has the
> utmost respect for diversity. I never expected to see a racial
> attack here, and frankly, I am appalled, Svante, that you would
> attack someone on the basis of race and still claim to have "had
> enough of racism."
> Jonas has already explained at least twice that he chose his list
> of genres to conform with a list of de facto standard genres. It
> was a content-neutral decision that had nothing whatsoever to do
> with racism. I don't see what purpose is served, other than pure
> antagonism, by repeatedly asking him for his motives when he has
> already answered your question several times.
> Given the multinational, multicultural scope of the Rockbox
> project, I don't see how you can ask any Rockbox contributor to
> determinations of what is or is not "politically correct." If
> someone finds the term "Christian Rock" offensive, would we be
> required to remove that from the list of genres? Should we write a
> filter to prevent anyone from using the text view in Rockbox to
> read Tom Sawyer because of Mark Twain's use of the name "Nigger
> Jim", or block audiobook versions of that work? Where would it end?
> Michael E. DiFebbo
> _________________________________________
> Svante Tidholm wrote:
>> Jonas,
>> OK, sorry I attacked you in person, that was stupid. The thing
>> is, I'm not tolerant! I will never again let anyone use the word
>> neger or nigger, or any other oppressional term, not as some kind
>> of joke, irony or other way. So, yes, I'm not tolerant. I'm not
>> politically correct, just someone who's had enough of racism,
>> sexism, homophobia, oppression because of religion or whatever.
>> You can call it whatever you want.
>> It's important to fight the use of these words in every context -
>> be it in a classroom, on the street, or even in a alternative mp3-
>> player firmware!
>> Together we can change this world.
>> So I repeat my question: why do you want to keep on using it?
>> To comply to Winamps list of genres?
>> Sorry for making trouble,
>> /Svante
>> 8 sep 2005 kl. 14.51 skrev Jonas H.:
>>> You still seem to be forgetting that little thing called context.
>>> For
>>> all we know, this genre isn't even derived from that word. Either
>>> way,
>>> noone was being offensive or oppressive. Noone called you
>>> anything, stop
>>> acting like you were being attacked.
>>> Stupid political correctness is not the answer to racism -
>>> tolerance is.
>>> You don't seem very tolerant.
>>> Right, back on topic.
>>> I still don't see why we whould remove a genre from a list of de-
>>> facto
>>> standard genres that EVERY other program out there recognises. If
>>> you
>>> don't like the name, don't use it. I sure won't. Now if this was
>>> some
>>> Rockbox-only addition, I might just agree, but this is not
>>> something I
>>> invented.
>>> --
>>> Jonas H
>>> rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk
>>> -- Random .sigs
>>> suck
>>> _______________________________________________
>> /Svante
>> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________


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