From: Paul Louden <paulthenerd_at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:53:33 -0500

The daily builds for today were missing rockbox.iaudio, just use a bleeding
edge and it should be fine, I imagine.

On 5/11/06, Rich Cavallaro <richcav_at_verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Me and a friend just tried to install todays daily build on our x5s.
> We followed the instructions but with just this one build the player boots
> and then just sits there and does not do anything at all.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Cavallaro" <richcav_at_verizon.net>
> To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Quick comment:
>
>
> >I will certainly donate.
> > I as well thank the rock box team for all there hard work and
> dedication.
> > I know that all the coding takes time and effort.
> > Rock box has truly open the doors in making these players more
> accessible
> > to us blind users.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocker" <rocker_at_shaw.ca>
> > To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: Quick comment:
> >
> >
> >> Hi -Raqi
> >> I could not have put it better myself! !
> >>
> >> I really appreciate your comments! They come at a good time as the
> dev's
> >> are busy on 3.0 and are likely feeling the heat what with all the
> recent
> >> ports AS WELL AS a bunch of grumpy voice UI faithful.
> >>
> >> I commend you for THE timeliness OF YOUR COMMENTS and also add my
> thanks
> >> to
> >> the crew.
> >>
> >> If you voice UI users, and the rest of rockboxers FOR THAT MATTER, want
> >> to
> >> help and your like me and cannot code, then I urge you to HIT the
> rocbox
> >> site and Pay Pal a few $$$ towards the project We all know this
> hardware
> >> is
> >> not cheap but, more importantly the hours and the grey matter is
> >> invaluable!
> >>
> >> Cheers...rocker
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Raquel Gomez" <rgomez_at_gigo.com>
> >> To: "'Rockbox'" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:09 AM
> >> Subject: Quick comment:
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings everybody,
> >>
> >> I just wanted to take a quick second to say "THANK YOU!!!!!" to all the
> >> developers and individuals who have worked on the rockbox firmware to
> >> date.
> >> I can't profess my gratitude enough; I am a totally blind user who
> >> originally started using Rockbox almost three years ago on the Archos
> >> Jukebox, and while there have been bugs at times, I have been more than
> >> willing to be patient with the developers who have worked so hard on
> >> making
> >> these fabulous products speak, simply because they want to. My
> patience
> >> has
> >> paid off; I now use an iPod 5G, 60 gig, (I guess it is the video, but
> >> since
> >> I don't give a damn about video I'm not sure what my particular unit
> >> would
> >> do with those types of files and I really don't care too much.) I've
> >> been
> >> running with the new daily builds and updating regularly, and I use the
> >> Eloquence Reed voice for my menus and have the directories/filenames
> >> voiced
> >> using Neospeech Paul. I can't speak for anyone else, but I love this
> >> device
> >> more and more with each day that passes, I find the interface very easy
> >> to
> >> use now that I have gotten used to it, and I've also been able to
> convert
> >> more than a half-dozen other blind people and convinced them to go out
> >> and
> >> purchase iPods on the spot; one gentleman whom I met at a conference
> >> recently saw me demonstrate this product and was back with a brand new
> >> unit
> >> within an hour. "Make it talk like yours does!", he said to me, and so
> I
> >> pulled out my laptop and did just that. It took him a few hours to get
> >> used
> >> to the wheel, and he agreed with me that it is not the easiest
> interface
> >> to
> >> get used to, however by 11:30 PM, he had it mastered, and throughout
> the
> >> subsequent three days it was all any of us could do to get him to take
> >> his
> >> headphones off. He grew to love the iPod design very quickly, and like
> >> me,
> >> has scrapped the Archos completely now. I use mine daily, for
> everything
> >> from work-related stuff to listening to podcasts, to blasting myself
> out
> >> at
> >> 4:30 in the morning while I'm drinking my first cup of coffee. I know
> it
> >> isn't perfect, there are still bugs and I've gotten pretty adept at
> >> having
> >> to go in and reset my settings at startup when Rockbox loses them
> >> periodically, etc., but as was the case with the Archos, I'll be
> patient;
> >> I
> >> know with conviction that it will pay off. You guys have already come
> so
> >> far in just the last couple of months...
> >>
> >> I'm not going to say usability was easy - I had a little bit of a
> >> learning
> >> curve - and the product was not stable for a long time, however it has
> >> become so much more solid and speaking only for myself, I am very
> >> satisfied
> >> with all of the fantastic work you guys have done/are doing, and I love
> >> knowing that there is an entire community of people out here smarter
> than
> >> I
> >> am, so that when I do get stuck all I need do is hit the website and I
> >> will
> >> undoubtedly find the answer I need.
> >>
> >> I've never had any sight, nor do I expect to, so for me this is a
> >> tremendous
> >> step in the right direction, I love this player! I'm a little bit more
> >> techie than a lot of people so I had a good idea what to expect from
> the
> >> development process, but to date I've never been disappointed for long.
> >> Let
> >> me rephrase that - I have never been as disappointed as I was when the
> >> iPod
> >> was first released, and I discovered that without speech, it was
> >> completely
> >> inaccessible to me. Rockbox has made a tremendous difference, and I
> just
> >> wanted to let you guys all know what a fantastic product this has
> turned
> >> out
> >> to be for me thus far. I'm sure it will only get better.
> >>
> >> Thanks again, so much, to all of you developers out there for doing
> such
> >> a
> >> great job; what would we have done without you? If not for Rockbox,
> >> we'd
> >> all have these nice, completely inaccessible players/recorders. Keep
> up
> >> the
> >> wonderful work!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> -Raqi
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se
> ]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Mark
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:22 AM
> >> To: Rockbox
> >> Subject: Re: Alternative UI for blind users?
> >>
> >> I think that one of the reasons that the scroll wheel can be tricky to
> >> use
> >> for a blind user is that it is quite sensitive. In other words, you
> only
> >> need to move your finger from, say, 3 o'clock to 3.30 o'clock on a
> clock
> >> face to get one "move". It's quite easy to move two "moves",and easy
> to
> >> do
> >> no moves.
> >> My preferred solution would be to lengthen the rotation required for
> one
> >> move. Thinking about how a finger moves on the wheel, I'd say that one
> >> "move" should be somewhere between 45 degrees and 135 degrees.So if I
> >> move
> >> my finger from 1 o'clock to 4 o'clock, that'd be one move
> >>
> >> Although the idea of having a blind alternative user interface is a
> good
> >> idea, the problem that I see is that it creates another whole segment
> of
> >> code development which needs to be supported.
> >> changing the "speed" of the wheel has the advantage of being one single
> >> change that once implemented would enable us to use the same current
> >> interface. This isn't based on some "we should have access to the same
> >> interface as the sighted" line, just that by keeping it as simple as
> >> possible means that we keep Rockbox as a single one-size-fits-most
> >> package.
> >> Creating a second interface means that there will be two interfaces to
> >> support, which means that there's at least twice as much work involved.
> >> I'm
> >> only suggesting this approach because IMHO I don't think there's really
> >> that
> >> much wrong with the current interface that a single change could
> fix. If
> >> there's enough enthusiasm behind the alternative interface then
> >> great.This
> >> is just my tuppence worth.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Aman Singer" <aman_at_asinger.net>
> >> To: "'Glenn at home'" <GlennErvin_at_cableone.net>; "'Rockbox'"
> >> <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:16 AM
> >> Subject: RE: Alternative UI for blind users?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi, Glenn.
> >>> The wheel on my video Ipod doesn't click at all. I do believe that
> >>> there are some Ipods which have a wheel that does, but I don't know
> how
> >>> that
> >>> works as I've never used one of those. It might be an idea to make the
> >>> wheel
> >>> more sluggish, as it were, though but wouldn't just disabling the
> wheel
> >>> be
> >>> easier for the developers? Anyone care to comment?
> >>> Aman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se [mailto:
> rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Glenn at home
> >>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:02 PM
> >>> To: Rockbox
> >>> Subject: Re: Alternative UI for blind users?
> >>>
> >>> Or maybe another possibility, might be to have a setting in the menus,
> >>> such
> >>> that the user could set the wheel so that it has to be turned 2 or 3
> >>> clicks
> >>> for each change to occur, so the wheel would move the cursor more
> >>> slowly.
> >>> I have never tried an iPod, but it seems like something like this
> would
> >>> be
> >>
> >>> a
> >>>
> >>> desirable feature.
> >>> Glenn
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Aman Singer" <aman_at_asinger.net>
> >>> To: "'Rockbox'" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 7:50 PM
> >>> Subject: Alternative UI for blind users?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi, all.
> >>> I don't know how difficult this would be to implement. I don't
> >>> imagine it would be that hard, as it wouldn't require new
> >>> drivers/codecs,
> >>> but it might be difficult all the same. What I've been having some
> >>> trouble
> >>> with is using the Ipod's wheel as a blind person. I sometimes find
> >>> myself
> >>> overshooting my target and being forced to retreat. I know others have
> >>> suggested a click every time the selection is moved, and this sounds
> >>> like
> >>> a
> >>> good idea. However, I was thinking we could, if possible, have a mode
> >>> invoked by pressing a few buttons simultaneously. In this mode, the
> >>> wheel
> >>> would be disabled, and the buttons on the wheel would act as they did
> on
> >>> the
> >>> Archos recorders. The down button would move down through directories
> >>> and
> >>> menus. The up button would do the opposite. The right button would act
> >>> as
> >>> a
> >>> select/play button and the left button would act as a back button. The
> >>> round
> >>> button in the middle of the wheel could be left as it is. The menu
> could
> >>> be
> >>> accessed by holding one button for a time or by the use of two buttons
> >>> together, as could other generally used functions. To avoid people
> >>> asking
> >>> "why doesn't my wheel work?", a message could come up every time the
> >>> wheel
> >>> was used "you are in wheel-disabled mode. To return to normal mode
> press
> >>> [whatever the buttons you need to press may be]".
> >>> This would have several distinct advantages for blind users, users
> >>> who's motor coordination isn't the best, users with MS or some other
> >>> disease
> >>> that hampers feeling in the fingers, users who are using the Ipod
> >>> through
> >>> a
> >>> thin case or, generally, users who want forceful feedback to selection
> >>> requests. The wheel would be eliminated from the equation, which would
> >>> make
> >>> all such uses easier, at least for new users. In the same way,
> brushing
> >>> the
> >>> wheel, which I've done once or twice, won't be a problem and won't
> >>> change
> >>> the selection. Do any of the developers think this would be doable and
> >>> desirable?
> >>> Aman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
Received on 2006-05-12