Rockbox mail archiveSubject: RE: changes to voice files
RE: changes to voice files
From: Rob Powell <rob_at_rinty.plus.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 05:41:35 +0100
Nice one Jamie, I can confirm from discussions at the time on the list, that
indeed ATNT employ a company specifically to look for licence "breaches" of
this type. U Unfortunately they found us, not surprising as when you put
iriver or Archos into the search engine, after the sponsored links, comes
rockbox. I was in contact with someone at the time, who I thought might be
able to resolve the problem for us, however that trail went cold. At any
rate, it was going to cost the project about £1500 to get the requisite
licence for us to legally do what we're doing.
Jamy's point is quite correct, very strictly speaking we're breaking the
terms of the ATNT licence agreement, though interestingly if we own a copy
of the voices ourselves, we're within our rites to use these files, though
of course that would be impossible to administer in a project like RB. The
sames probably true with the IBM voices, though apparently not with the MS
From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se] On
Behalf Of James Teh
Sent: 13 June 2006 02:09
Subject: Re: changes to voice files
alex wallis wrote:
> i've just been on the rockbox website to update rockbox and i see the
> speech files have changed according to it what exactly has been done
> to them?
The language files were restructured and reorganised somewhat, which broke
compatibility with the old voice files.
> secondly what is this hovering thing all about some kind of option to
> only voice things while hovering i think.
This refers to the speaking of mp3 clips to voice file names and
directories. If you enable this, Rockbox will look for mp3 clips to speak
while as you move to files and directories. See the Rockbox wiki for more
> also is it me or is the speech buggy? several times while going thru
> the menus in different places using the read US english voice it jus
> suddenly went mad and started reading loads and loads of stuff not
> even in the menus all about battery type, then it started saying
> different units of time and then it began to recite the alphabet does
> anyone no if this is a bug with speech generally or the voice file in
Weird. This bug was fixed in April for me, so perhaps it has returned.
Are you running the latest daily/cvs build?
> also could someone fill me in why have the naturally speaking voices
> been removed? i liked paul he was a nice clear voice.
> personally and i no everyones going to be shooting me down over this
> one but its my oppinion so ile state it. who cares if we officially
> aren't allowed to use the naturally speaking voices i mean who ran and
> told the manufacturer for starters. what they don't no can't hert them ...
It is very likely that no one "ran and told them". Everyone can access a web
site, everyone can use a search engine, and with a project the size of
Rockbox, there is a high chance of it being discovered.
> and if we are questioning issues of legality here i'm sure that all
> the other manufacturers of voices would have something to say about
> there voices being used
The point is that they haven't said anything. AT&T has. Unfortunately, their
license does actually prevent such use of their voices. Rockbox has to
comply with such requests for several reasons, one of which being that the
Rockbox crew don't want to be seen as people connoting illegal activity.
> and in fact i bet if you asked them iriver would say that they wern't
> happy about there firmware being patched or people using that BDM
> wiggler thing to find out about the skimatics of the player.
That is why the patched firmware is not distributed directly by Rockbox.
If you patch the firmware, it is your responsibility. It is very likely that
Iriver know, but they haven't said a thing; possibly turning a "blind eye"
because there is no real reason for them to care. Besides, reverse
engineering is legal in many places, although the definition of reverse
engineering is a rather complex topic.
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