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Subject: Re: Why not Daisy when Doom? (

Re: Why not Daisy when Doom? (

From: Rocker <>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:09:26 -0600

-Dj Paddy-
Nobody is disputing that Rockbox is a volunteer project and as I'm the one
that started this thread let me say catagorically I am not critasising the
devs. I made a suggestion for a feature. I'm up for constructive debate
but was not prepared for the amount of negativity this threads generated!
In particular from the targeted audience.

**Perhaps it was your attitude that caused the negatibity?
Rocker wrote
all this speculation
really isn't getting us anywhere. Doing this would in many sences be a huge
stepp, especially for blind users.
**I did not write that one!

-Dj Paddy-
Firstly I was talking about Daisy audio not Daisy txt's.
**Firstly? Maybe you should have clarified that in the beginning.

Secondly copying the mp3s breaks licences,
**Sorry for offending your sence of justice. I'm sure You've never ripped,
coppied or converted a file. Right? I really think thats quite a
hipacritical sstatement!

and makes Daisy features
redundent without the xml and smil files.
**True. However, you can still play the MP3 files and since there will be
dozens of them it shouldn't be to hard to find your place.
Thirdly bookmarking is not Daisy, it's a feature of Daisy and Daisy can be
used for much more than bookmarking.

**Again, true. Personally, I have never seen many Daisy titles utilize all
the features that are available in Daisy.

-Dj Paddy-
This simply is not true!

You are looking on average $350 US for a CD unit, $500 and up for a
flashbased unit.
Smartphones? Sure somebody could pay what $500 (I'm in the UK so am
guessing at this one), for an N91 or similar then what $250 for either Talks
or Mobile Speak to put on it.

1 Unit for mp3, Daisy playback.
2. A mainstream product that can be gotten at a fraction of the adaptive
device's price.
A fraction? Have you checked out the price of an IPOD, Audio X5, or any of
the availabel supported rockbox players?
3. Keeping open source in open source.
**Is Daisy open source? Hmm, I did not know that.
Daisy and RB.
4. The ability to navigate around a Daisy formatted book on a truly
portible high storage capacity unit, one that can be gotten from any online
store or Ebay and that can have the fantastic RB firmware with Voice UI
loaded onto it.

**Go Rockbox!

Why scorn something that gives you more choice? Surely if all these units
support Daisy, then isnt' RB falling behind? I'd have thought this would
have only encouraged an open source developer...
**Falling behind? Man! Do you actually have a player that supports
rockbox? How much did you pay for it?

It's truly amazing to me that the majority of negative replys have been from
the main targeted audience. I.E. Visually Impaired people. To say the
price is the same as the adaptive players is a joke
**A joke? If you say so. I was laughing at your post when I wrote my
response so maybe that's funny.

I get it though there's no interest and I'm flabagasted at the negativity
this feature request has generated.

Nobody, especially myself is dictating that the devs should do this. It's a

To say, do it yourself in the manner it's been thrusted upon this thread is
a bad atitude.

**It happens on this list all the time . Sadly, I see it from blind users.
People with chips on their sholders who are used to having someone else do
things for them. It's the attitude not the message that touches a raw
nurve. If you look at T. J's original post you will get the picture. I'm
quite sure that if the point was written differntly it would have garnered a
different response. No offence intended and I know it's like; a blind
comunity thing As I see it, live it and hate it.

Dj Paddy
Received on 2007-04-25

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