From: Amy <amy_at_faylen.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:27:50 -0500

I would say have the recorder beep or talk first, then start recording. The
Olympus DS-2 does this, emmitting a beep as it starts recording, then when
you pause it beeps twice at a different pitch, once at a higher pitch when
it resumes, and a longer beep when it stops. When I play the recording back,
there is hardly ever a gap between the pause and the resuming of the file,
and hardly worth noticing. Nothing a sound editing program couldn't fix.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Ervin" <GlennErvin_at_cableone.net>
To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Erkens" <pjealt_at_xs4all.nl>
> To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?
> Snip... you wrote:
>
> Hi Christy,
>
> Avoiding extensive quoting for convenience: you proposed to have rockbox
> beep when you go into active recording, and a different beep when going
> from
> record into pause.
>
> I agree half way on this, because I see a few small problems. I don't know
> if they can be overcome, but here they are.
>
> Hearing a beep while pausing is obviously great if it were developed for
> us.
> On record however, I don't think it would be good. First, if you have to
> first turn off the rec monitor when the beep sounds, and later turn it
> back
> on again
> after the beep finishes sounding, then your recording would start later
> than
> you intend. Probably half a second, but too late.
>
> Second, what would happen to the pre recording? Imagine you have it set to
> 5
> seconds, then in the resulting recording at five seconds from the
> beginning,
> you would either have an audible gap, or at least a missing bit of audio,
> lasting the time it took to turn off recording, sounding the beep and
> going
> into active record again.
>
> I'm curious what other members here have to say about this, because
> resolving the recording feedback issue for blind people will yet again add
> great value to rockbox. It's just that I myself have no good idea yet as
> to
> how this could be overcome. List, do you have any constructive ideas?
> Adding
> a well thought over feature request to flyspray is more likely to be
> adopted.
>
> Paul.
>
> ** Personally, if it were possible, since the beep we once had was barely
> audible, is to have the option to have a voice file speak:
> recording
> And I would gladly lose a couple of seconds before the recording starts
> for
> this feature.
> But if it was an option, then those who can see the screen would not have
> to
> use it.
> Glenn
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christy Schulte" <christy_at_faylen.com>
> To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>
>
>> I'm with Paul on this, with a few exceptions.
>>
>> Using the speech option, I don't really see a need for most beeps when
>> pressing buttons. However, it would be very very useful in the recording
>> screen. What I, personally, would like to see is a beep for starting
>> recording, and a different beep for pausing. Again, if it means
>> temporarily
>> turning the monitor off, playing the beep, then turning the monitor back
>> on
>> and starting the recording that would be ok I'd think. Other than that I
>> doubt I'd use beeps much, but maybe Amy would be a better judge of this.
>>
>> Christy
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se
>> [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se]On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:17 PM
>> To: Rockbox
>> Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>>
>>
>> Hi Steve B,
>>
>> Currently, I don't use the beep feature because of its slow reaction
>> speed
>> after pressing a button. It's off here. But there are situations where it
>> would be very useful to have, where it has not been implemented yet. Of
>> course, moving the beep code away from the play routines into the button
>> handling could be benificial because of the time difference that will
>> probably result in, but there's another use.
>>
>> I understand that playback and recording are mutually exclusive, i.e. you
>> can have one, but not the other at the same time. This makes implementing
>> the beeps where I and many others want to have them, somewhat complicated
>> I
>> guess, but I'm not a developer so I don't really know.
>>
>> To answer your question: I don't personally need differently pitched
>> beeps
>> for different buttons I press. A good use for beeps where they are not
>> yet
>> implemented though, is in the recording screen while the rec monitor is
>> on.
>>
>> We, blind folks, have no feedback on whether the device is recording or
>> pausing. I screwed up several live recordings because of this. I have to
>> go
>> into the rec monitor, and press play to start recording. Pressing play
>> again
>> pauses, pressing it again resumes recording etc.
>>
>> It would be great if the device would issue a beep, just after it has
>> gone
>> into pause mode. To start recording, I don't need to hear anything
>> personally. But pausing is important to be aware of, so that you don't
>> accidentally record what you intended to leave out, and vice versa.
>> Hearing
>> a beep when going from rec into pause mode, would be really helpful. Even
>> if
>> the rec monitor has to be turned off for the time the beep is sounding,
>> would not be a problem in my opinion.
>>
>> Do you know if something can be done about this, or would you find it
>> worth
>> investigating further?
>>
>> Paul.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "pondlife" <pondlife_at_ntlworld.com>
>> To: <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:06 PM
>> Subject: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>>
>>
>>>I use the beep feature whenever I'm operating the player while driving.
>>> It's useful as confirmation that I actually pressed the button,
>>> especially
>>> as crossfade can result in quite a delay before the track skip is
>>> audible.
>>>
>>> I'd rather like the beep to operate when any button is pressed (well,
>>> maybe
>>> a shorter "click"), but it's currently part of the playback code (rather
>>> than the button code), so maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick
>>> about
>>> this and this isn't the main use for this feature.
>>>
>>> So could all users of this feature explain why they use it and whether
>>> feedback on all keypresses would be useful. (Also would different
>>> pitches
>>> of short beep for different buttons be useful?)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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