Rockbox mail archiveSubject: RE: question about website feedback
RE: question about website feedback
From: Dj Paddy <mygroups_at_djpaddy.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:29:35 +0100
This is a training issue with your screenreader.
I've just had a quick look at the manuals page.
If you use your JFW table reading mode with ctrl alt and arrows, you will be
able to get a better sense of what pdf goes with what link in the table.
The keystroke t jumps straight into the table, another helpful keystroek is
G. The graphics appear to be alt tagged so if you hit g for example you'll
get the player name, then down arrow once to land on the pdf for that model.
I'm using JFW v10 under Win 7 using IE8. No doubt the site like allot of
sites could do with some accessability tweaks, (see W3C Guidelines), but for
te most part I get on OK.
Hope this info helps you some.
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From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se] On
Behalf Of alex wallis
Sent: 12 June 2009 14:44
Subject: Re: question about website feedback
alex wallis wrote:
> I was wondering if someone could tell me is it permissible to post on
> this list suggestions for improvements to the website?
Sure, go ahead.
-- Björn Thanks. The areas that I have identified as being quite hard to get around at least for me with jaws are the areas that provides access to the manuals and daily builds. The reason for this is because of the way the page is. When I am browsing the net with jaws, I do not get a sense in my own mind of what the page actually looks like to someone looking at it on the screen. Because when I am browsing the web with jaws, jaws does not read the page as it is displayed on the screen, when reading a page all I have to worry about is using the up and down keys to navigate in the page. I will then be shown the various links at the top of a page, text and maybe some links underneath. Of course what I am shown is different depending on the page. However for a screen reader user when browsing the web and looking at a page its just like reading a piece of paper from top to bottom. What I am trying to explain with all this background information is that if all the links on a page are on the right and text on the left for example we do not get a sense of that, to us, jaws shows us the text and links on the screen from top to bottom taking no account of how the page visually looks. I no this may seem off topic, but I am trying to explain how it is for us browsing the internet so you can understand the problem with the manuals and daily builds areas. When I am in the manuals area, it is impossible to easily find my way around and no what manual I am accessing until I have opened it. This is because the way jaws is reading the page to me and I presume other screen reader users we get a load of headings for the various players and the links to the on line, html or pdf versions. however the links are out of context with the headings so we don't no what player the link refers to. I will try to demonstrate what I mean. this is a copy and paste from the manual page showing how jaws renders the page, I don't think it has preserved the formatting, however I hope this gives you a sense of the problem. iAudio M3 iriver H100/115 iriver H120/140 iriver H320/340 iriver H10 5GB iriver H10 20GB iPod 1st and 2nd gen iPod 3rd gen pdf 978 kB html-zip 521 kB online pdf 978 kB html-zip 521 kB online pdf 1479 kB html-zip 1434 kB online pdf 1177 kB html-zip 918 kB online pdf 1289 kB html-zip 1029 kB online pdf 922 kB html-zip 513 kB online pdf 929 kB html-zip 503 kB online As you can see from the above the links are completely out of context with the players, so I have no idea which player the various links are for. I experience exactly the same problem with the page providing access to the daily builds. I realise visually the pages probably make sense, but I was wondering if it might be possible perhaps instead of having the manuals I believe in some kind of table as they are now could we have separate headings for a player, the various links for that player then the next one and so on. Obviously also adapting the daily builds page to a similar layout. I am sorry if my above message is not very clear, its quite hard for me to describe the problem not having any idea visually of what the page looks like and how you visually look at the pages. If you have any questions about this I would be happy to answer them, as it would be really good to get this problem with the manual and daily build pages sorted as other areas of the site are fine as far as accessibility goes. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe: http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ Etiquette: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/etiquette.html __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4150 (20090612) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4150 (20090612) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe: http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GeneralFAQ Etiquette: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/etiquette.htmlReceived on 2009-06-12