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Rockbox mail archiveSubject: Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)Re: discussion regarding adding settings (PLEASE add your 2 cents)
From: XavierGr <xaviergr_at_gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:18:44 +0200 Unfortunately Rockbox has become quite "feature-phobic" recenlty. This wasn't the case a couple of years ago, where if the new feature in question was implemented correctly, it was mostly accepted without any thorough debate. The result was many and sometimes unneeded settings. Do I have second thoughts about them even if I (or a large userbase) don't use them? Hell No! For me that is the definition of Rockbox, "Configurability". That is what is missing from OFs of other devices and that is the purpose of the project (to my view), to give more options(plugins/codecs etc) to the user (without of course lacking robustness, stability and usability). The way I see it is that for the sake of rombox on archos (and their low ram) most targets are drugged down. There is no real issue except those targets (which is indeed a problem). I've yet to see a benchmark that signifies lack of battery time resulted by settings overbloat (on high mem targets) and while there is a tiny decrease it is insignificant. The major increase in RAM usage came with dircache and Database (tagcache) which I think nearly all of us find them as the most valuable features (and luckily can be disabled to ensure less RAM usage). On the other side I am glad that we are nitpicky, that way we ensure that the best implementation is coded for inclusion. This though, is sometimes exaggerated and some new features are ostracized. In current situation even for the slightest settings addition you need at least 200-300 bytes even for a simple integer setting. Most of it comes from the settings-mechanism overhead and not the feature itself. The solution to this overhead could be separating the settings to a plugin, an idea which I dislike but if it allows us more settings I will happily welcome it. About performance and complexity there is not much to be said. Performance wise a new setting is responsible for another index on the settings structure (loading/saving no performance lost on that) and of course accountable for the changes or additions it introduces. Some settings can be a resource hog (mostly playback settings), while others are quite innocent with minor additions/changes to the core. Of course the setting in question should be refined and be as optimized as possible. New settings can make code more complex (not always though), but rejecting a new setting because is complex is like saying "I don't want it because it is too difficult for me. I am lazy and afraid of touching that part of code because it might break it." In any case very complex settings are rare and all new ones should be included after making sure that they are less complex as possible. On the user side of things I haven't EVER heard of a user to complain about "too many settings". That's in fact the grand attraction of Rockbox. The user that doesn't want or care about more options can just use the default firmware. I can understand frustration of not being able to customize something, but I will never understand why someone will complain of over-customization, it doesn't make sense. Yes, the settings menu could be more user-friendly but I don't find it too bad at all. It is logically separated in categories and the only problem more settings add to it, is that you might need to press more buttons to do what you want. Some "setting-bloat haters" could be pleased with a hidden advanced settings menu, which I don't understand at all (save for the fewer button presses), but again if that makes people happy I am all for it. Basically Rockbox development (again the way I see it), consists of 3 major parts: 1. New ports 2. Iron out bugs and optimization 3. New features or altering existing ones My opinion is that some developers would be very glad to strike out number 3 entirely or to limit it as possible. Based on their usage patterns they miss entirely why a new feature or setting could be needed. A feature almost always will introduce at least one new setting. Rejecting settings limits feature usage and without new features is like having an "eternal feature freeze". Surely this is not something the project needs. It must evolve and get better. We all remember that some feature freezes in the past were introduced with lack of interest by contributors. In the end of course, developers decide what's best for Rockbox (and I hope they are right). I understand that it is impossible and impractical to have everything turned into a setting, but Rockbox is far away from that situation. I only resent what I might miss from future settings/features that will be rejected "on the shrine" of binsize and "the doctrine of settings-bloat". :P For me that was the key feature, over-customization. That was the part that made Rockbox appealing and tempted me to add my own minor contributions. Most new contributors just like to make the project better by adding the content they thing is missing. P.S: This of course has nothing to do with FS#9455. It is understandable if it is deemed unneeded (though obviously I disagree :P). My disappointment though comes from further features/settings that users might miss, on a consensus that doesn't favor new settings. Received on 2008-10-28 Page template was last modified "Tue Sep 7 00:00:02 2021" The Rockbox Crew -- Privacy Policy |