From: Mark Allums <mark_at_allums.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:59:33 -0500

Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 02:35:55PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
>> Paul Louden wrote:
>>> alex wallis wrote:
>>>> So I would be very interested in attending such an event, though
>>>> after September it will be a bit harder for me to attend anything, so
>>>> my vote if we start thinking about locations and dates would be
>>>> before september.
>>> It's really far too late to try to plan something like this now. You
>>> should start planning for next year, or at least next major holiday
>>> period. You still need to find a location, arrange what's going to
>>> happen during that period, everyone needs to arrange transportation and
>>> possibly time off, make rooming reservations, etc. These things are
>>> much easier and cheaper if you have time to do so.
>>>
>>> Really, there's not too much point in even discussing this until
>>> someone's ready to say "I'm willing to host a user gathering and have a
>>> suitable location." Until then, you're mostly wishing for someone else
>>> to do something.
>>
>> Paul, your thoughts were *not* solicited. This is for Users, not Devs.
>
> In that case, why are you posting to the dev list? Also, if you only
> want replies from certain selected people, don't use a public mailing
> list.

I'm sorry, I erred. But devs were who first suggested this, and I
welcome comments in general, just most helpful ones. Paul can be
abrasive at times. I thought Devs should be kept in the loop, but I
felt that the dev comments should be kept separate for user comment, at
least at first.




>


>> Some of your comments are useful and thoughtful, but please do not
>> presume to instruct the users as to how they want *their* cons to be
>> hosted.
>
> Paul didn't in any way say how your con would have to be hosted. He
> merely pointed out that it does have to be hosted, and that this takes
> time to organise. Do you disagree with that?
>
>> I am open to suggestions as to how to improve the con, Paul, but please
>> allow the users to express themselves without your veto. I suggest you
>> send your comments to me off list or send them to the dev list.
>
> Can you do us all a favour and say exactly where Paul was trying to veto
> anything?


He said in a post that discussing a con was pointless until we have a
place and time, which is cart before the horse.

He said that having one this year was not doable, we should not have one.

He said that the reason to have one was not to benefit Rockbox as a
project, but rather to educate users, which is not how the con idea was
put to me.

Also, it was not just the things he said, but also the way he said them.

I am sorry if I offended anyone by this, but at this point, I really
want to hear from users on the user list. His comments are of a
stifling nature.

If there is no interest in a con, then this whole discussion is pointless.

MArk Allums
Received on 2009-06-27