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Subject: Re: rockbox-dev Digest, Vol 146, Issue 4

Re: rockbox-dev Digest, Vol 146, Issue 4

From: Wilgus William via rockbox-dev <rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se>
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:19:24 -0400

Rockbox is opensource that doesn't imply you can decide how the project is
managed
(EVEN IF YOU YELL LOUDLY)

This isn't a topic meant to stir up a war but open discourse on a path
forward

The main issue isn't even the hosting cost but more of the site is insecure
and in need of refresh
at the same time we can distribute some parts of the site which will
decrease the hosting costs and
*I FEEL scorche should get some of the donation money if at all possible*
*after all he has been DONATING for years his time and money*
don't take that as he is demanding money he never even mentioned such a
thing.

That being said updating the site can bring the site current, make
maintenance easier, and lower the cost of hosting
the former two are the MAIN goals here with lowering the hosting costs
being a great side benefit

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM <rockbox-dev-request_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:

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> 1. Re: Hacker News :) (Linus Nielsen)
> 2. Re: Rockbox hosting (Jason Arthur Taylor)
> 3. Re: Rockbox hosting (Paul Louden)
> 4. Re: Rockbox hosting (Franklin Wei)
> 5. Re: Rockbox hosting (aurelian rosca)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:20:41 +0200
> From: Linus Nielsen <linus_at_haxx.se>
> To: rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se
> Subject: Re: Hacker News :)
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> On 2019-10-08 00:12, Vladimir Pantelic via rockbox-dev wrote:
> > you, I mean we are on HN...
> >
> > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21180842
> >
>
> Oh, those were the days...
>
> Linus
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:21:08 -0400
> From: Jason Arthur Taylor <jason.arthur.taylor_at_gmail.com>
> To: Rockbox development <rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Subject: Re: Rockbox hosting
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> I'm skeptical of this. Is there proof of this expense? I'm also skeptical
> of this idea of removing forums. I'm even skeptical of the motives of
> those in charge here. It is unacceptable to me that the paypal donations
> are not both public and in realtime. If you compare this random post about
> hosting prices
>
> https://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/web-hosting-services/cost-to-host-a-website/
> it's also real hard to explain $700/year.
>
> My $0.02. Ban me if you want.
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:43 AM Wilgus William via rockbox-dev <
> rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
>
> > Scorche is currently paying $700 / year to host rockbox.org
> >
> > Propose some of the donated money go towards the hosting bills
> >
> > Anyone have a better idea?
> >
>
>
> --
> Jason Taylor
> 301-277-1909 (Work Landline Telephone) 240-471-5613 (textable cellphone)
> I respond in some fashion to all emails with new subjects directed
> specifically to me within 48 hours, so try again by phone if I don't
> respond, because it means that I didn't get your message.
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> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 08:44:57 -0500
> From: Paul Louden <paulthenerd_at_gmail.com>
> To: Rockbox development <rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Subject: Re: Rockbox hosting
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> I can't speak to the hosting costs and donation rates, but as someone who
> ran the forums for a long time, I can see a very real benefit to 'retiring
> the old and starting over.' People often want to respond to extremely old
> threads, not realizing that the information is outdated and no longer
> relevant. Also, as the project changes over the years, there's real value
> in re-evaluating the entire layout, looking at which parts are most active
> (and seeing if they can be split) and which parts are least active (and
> seeing if they can be merged into other areas, or re-focused, etc). I mean,
> looking at the forums, they're still more or less the layout I set up more
> than a decade ago.
>
> The forums are old, and most of what's in them is, at best, only of
> historical interest, and not useful to current and potential future users.
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:23 AM Jason Arthur Taylor via rockbox-dev <
> rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
>
> > I'm skeptical of this. Is there proof of this expense? I'm also
> > skeptical of this idea of removing forums. I'm even skeptical of the
> > motives of those in charge here. It is unacceptable to me that the
> paypal
> > donations are not both public and in realtime. If you compare this
> random
> > post about hosting prices
> >
> https://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/web-hosting-services/cost-to-host-a-website/
> > it's also real hard to explain $700/year.
> >
> > My $0.02. Ban me if you want.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:43 AM Wilgus William via rockbox-dev <
> > rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
> >
> >> Scorche is currently paying $700 / year to host rockbox.org
> >>
> >> Propose some of the donated money go towards the hosting bills
> >>
> >> Anyone have a better idea?
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jason Taylor
> > 301-277-1909 (Work Landline Telephone) 240-471-5613 (textable cellphone)
> > I respond in some fashion to all emails with new subjects directed
> > specifically to me within 48 hours, so try again by phone if I don't
> > respond, because it means that I didn't get your message.
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 17:42:22 +0000
> From: Franklin Wei <franklin_wei_at_protonmail.com>
> To: Rockbox development <rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Subject: Re: Rockbox hosting
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> From #rockbox-community:
>
> [23:52:41] <scorche> I pay $60 a month for my server, but was going to
> scale down a tier once I was able to rewrite things and be able to update
> packages (which never came to fruition). I could probably scale down
> without upgrading, I think
>
> That's 60 USD/mo out of his own pocket. For a site averaging "100GB/month"
> (scorche's numbers), that's perfectly reasonable. Question that if you will.
>
> Also, please keep in mind that we do this work entirely for free and that
> nobody is forcing anyone to donate. It is incredibly insulting to insinuate
> impropriety under these circumstances.
> __builtin
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:21 AM, Jason Arthur Taylor via rockbox-dev <
> rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
>
> > I'm skeptical of this. Is there proof of this expense? I'm also
> skeptical of this idea of removing forums. I'm even skeptical of the
> motives of those in charge here. It is unacceptable to me that the paypal
> donations are not both public and in realtime. If you compare this random
> post about hosting prices
> https://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/web-hosting-services/cost-to-host-a-website/
> it's also real hard to explain $700/year.
> >
> > My $0.02. Ban me if you want.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:43 AM Wilgus William via rockbox-dev <
> rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
> >
> >> Scorche is currently paying $700 / year to host rockbox.org
> >>
> >> Propose some of the donated money go towards the hosting bills
> >>
> >> Anyone have a better idea?
> >
> > --
> > Jason Taylor
> > 301-277-1909 (Work Landline Telephone) 240-471-5613 (textable cellphone)
> > I respond in some fashion to all emails with new subjects directed
> > specifically to me within 48 hours, so try again by phone if I don't
> > respond, because it means that I didn't get your message.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:43:57 +0300
> From: aurelian rosca <aurelian1008_at_gmail.com>
> To: Rockbox development <rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Subject: Re: Rockbox hosting
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> Can we move The website to a sharing hosting? Also i suppose we are a large
> community so if we donate each one aroud 10$ we surely cover all website
> costs
>
> Mar, 22 oct. 2019, 16:47 Paul Louden via rockbox-dev <
> rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> a scris:
>
> > I can't speak to the hosting costs and donation rates, but as someone who
> > ran the forums for a long time, I can see a very real benefit to
> 'retiring
> > the old and starting over.' People often want to respond to extremely old
> > threads, not realizing that the information is outdated and no longer
> > relevant. Also, as the project changes over the years, there's real value
> > in re-evaluating the entire layout, looking at which parts are most
> active
> > (and seeing if they can be split) and which parts are least active (and
> > seeing if they can be merged into other areas, or re-focused, etc). I
> mean,
> > looking at the forums, they're still more or less the layout I set up
> more
> > than a decade ago.
> >
> > The forums are old, and most of what's in them is, at best, only of
> > historical interest, and not useful to current and potential future
> users.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:23 AM Jason Arthur Taylor via rockbox-dev <
> > rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm skeptical of this. Is there proof of this expense? I'm also
> >> skeptical of this idea of removing forums. I'm even skeptical of the
> >> motives of those in charge here. It is unacceptable to me that the
> paypal
> >> donations are not both public and in realtime. If you compare this
> random
> >> post about hosting prices
> >>
> https://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/web-hosting-services/cost-to-host-a-website/
> >> it's also real hard to explain $700/year.
> >>
> >> My $0.02. Ban me if you want.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:43 AM Wilgus William via rockbox-dev <
> >> rockbox-dev_at_cool.haxx.se> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Scorche is currently paying $700 / year to host rockbox.org
> >>>
> >>> Propose some of the donated money go towards the hosting bills
> >>>
> >>> Anyone have a better idea?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jason Taylor
> >> 301-277-1909 (Work Landline Telephone) 240-471-5613 (textable cellphone)
> >> I respond in some fashion to all emails with new subjects directed
> >> specifically to me within 48 hours, so try again by phone if I don't
> >> respond, because it means that I didn't get your message.
> >>
> >>
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